Has anyone changed their mind about Bernie Sanders, and the America he wants to see in the future, since the last election?
I received many great answers to my last question asking if Americans view Canada as a socialist country.
Many Canadians are just as informed about American politics as we are our own - in some cases, due to vast, sometimes disturbing changes (within the current administration in particular), even more so. Our discussions about Trump are no doubt as frequent as your own, with major concerns about the current state and future of the US, and the impact it will have on the world.
I am a huge fan of Bernie Sanders, who I believe is a solid, honest man with great integrity, regardless of whether one agrees with his ideas. Many of us here would love to see him win 2020, but I understand there is still this fear of socialism, which is not to be confused with social democracy, where social programs are in place to protect all of its citizens - not just the very wealthy few.
My gut told me Trump would become president, from the moment I heard his first speech (much to my chagrin). Now, I can't imagine a second term for Trump - my gut tells me no, which I understand is not based in any reality of the possible outcome. What are your thoughts on this now? Will Trump be reelected? Could Bernie win? All the signs of him running again are there.
I caucused for Sanders and, at the district level, he was the clear favorite, but anyone paying attention could see an undercurrent working against him. When Clinton got the nod, I started looking at the Libertarians. Seemed like Johnson had some good ideas, but wasn't getting any air time. Then he did. WOW, he was bad!! It's shaping up to be another shit show, with the Dems clamoring for the title of biggest Trump hater, while not knowing if they want to go with the appearance of stable tradition or ride the populist Bernie machine and the GOP not knowing if they should distance themselves from Trumps antics or declare him crazy like a fox and fall in with him. I can see the orangutan leveraging the chaos and seizing a 2nd term. He's got a lot of resistance from both sides - that's not the problem. The problem is a lack of cohesion among the resistance.
My own take is that, despite the many and various strands linking the Trump campaign/transition/White House to Russia and its attack on the 2016 election now interconnecting to form an ever-widening web, it will be the Stormy Daniels case, the seizure of Michael Cohen's files and cellphones, the dogged determination of attorney Michael Avennati, and the very bright light these are about to shed on the past and present financial machinations and questionable dealings of the present occupant of the White House that will force The Donald to step down.
It's a minority of Americans who follow the daily news coverage of the evidence being uncovered by the Mueller investigation, besides which, even after November's election, there may not be the required 60% of Senate votes necessary to impeach. However, when the dirty deals with unsavory busness partners that has been the consistent hallmark of Trump's business adventures, and his flagrant defiance of leagl restraint - not least in his use of the Trump Foundation as a personal slush fund and source of campaign funds - see the light of day, all but his most committed followers will see for themselves the nature of the man.
The Dems blew the last election, and got the results they deserved.
To defeat DJT, the democrats will need to:
In other words, Trump will likely win.
A woman isn't likely to win until my grandson is a voter (he's not yet 2 years old.) Even then, I'm not sure that this country will have shrugged off its misogyny enough to do so. Also, Democrats can't win without money (no one can), and unless Congress finally legislates real campaign finance reform and legislatively repeals the Citizens United decision, they need corporate dollars. The democratic base has to accept that long enough to gain a supermajority and enact those laws.
@GinaMaria remember, a woman got 2 million more votes than the old guy in the last election. I think the gender issue has been put to bed. Look at the overwhelming number of women winning local and national seats. I think the fact we elected a half white guy did a lot to help open the shades for minorities. I'm an old guy who has the luxury of being able to talk with 18-20 year olds and we almost always talk politics. Gender or race never get mentioned. Ever. Except for my children, we're the only white people there in these groups. Every continent is represented. My other two voters are the same (triplets). One is very politically active, the other son has little interest or understanding I politics(if he weren't a triplet, I'd question his genetics) But none of them nor their friends bring up race or gender. I'm an old guy so it sticks out to me. Love watching them talk. So, , I think the glass ceiling was broken by Hillary. There more and more female CEOs (private sector has some catching up to do on both counts) all the time. Of the glass ceiling is not already broken, then the kids are going make it just sublimate. IMHO.
I feel like he will be re-elected. I really hope that I'm wrong.
Weren't his odds last time 3 in 10? I think that's about right at this point. I don't know what to think of the polls, but Rasmussen has been uniformly positive for Trump...and now, slowly, their polls are turning against Trump also. I think they had one last month that had Sanders beating Trump by one point. And that's not to mention all the Fox News polls that mostly show Trump losing to any Democrat. (And all the other polls--sometimes accused of leaning Democratic--also show Trump mostly losing to just about everyone.)
I can't remember where I read it (probably one of the Michael Wolff books), but Steve Bannon also seems to think Trump can't win reelection.
2020 is Trump's to win or lose. People will mostly be voting FOR or AGAINST him, not FOR anyone else. I think "chaos fatigue" will play a bigger factor than any positive aspects of any challenger.
This post is from last year.
I'm now almost certain Bernie will win!
Most likely he will. There are no better candidates so far and he is an encumbant. Despite all the desperate cries of the sky is falling no such thing is happening. We are doing much better in all areas than we have in a long time.
The deficit has gone up considerably and 7 million people lost their healthcare.
How do you define "doing much better?"
Trump won't win.
It's completely different. He purported to be the antiestablishment candidate and made promises he is not keeping. 7 million people have lost their healthcare. The deficit is going up... He is fucking crazy!! The US economy is now is danger. The wall? Shows he was full of hot air. Even Ann Coulter turned against him.
I predicted he WOULD win a year before the election.. 2015. He won't be reelected.
Bernie is now the real antiestablishment candidate.
We we know soon enough! I can't believe the world has already enduring almost 3 years of that bastard.
He won't win. His base is shrinking. People want free universal healthcare - even his base.
@RandomMonkey
I have zero faith in his ardent supporters.. I just think they will be outnumbered.
Trump won because he did not play by the normal book. Also the rigging of the college. He left his gop rivils in the ground. I am not even sure if sanders could have won. His supporter are part of a cult now. Remember Hillary won the pop vote. Maybe now the voters who decided to stay home will come out
Ok, I know this is an old post, and I'm not sure how I got here, but I had to read it.... That being said, I found your reply here interesting. I have to ask what your feelings are now on the situation.. Most of all, though, I'd like to know what you meant by Trump rigging the college.. What... How could he have done that ,, pray tell?? .
No way Trump will be reelected.
And I predicted he would win 2016 a year earlier.
Unfortunately yes ...because look how crazy Americans are like the Evangelical Republicans who voted for Trump!
Remember his base is very small. Those crazy end timers the reason i am arming
I hope you realize soon... a shit load of atheist are conservatives that voted for him... It's not that far fetched, if you actually go out and talk to people in the atheist community. Yes, I know most are Liberal, but no where near all... not even close. Keep that in mind, and learn why.. There's a good reason so many of us feel this way.
I honestly can't believe he is still there. I have never been so afraid and disappointed. I don't recognize my own country. I am horrified about what is going on and that no one is stopping it.
Well,,, it's been a year now.. (almost) and you're still here,,, and the country is fine, in fact, doing great.. LONG LIVE TRUMP!! .... LMAO....
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez...part of Bernie's campaign wiped out her Democratic opponent. It could be that she really represents her electorate (of the same, predominant culture) or it be that progressives with a socialist agenda are becoming predominant in the Democratic party. THAT would be fantastic!
If that vile man wins again we will suffer for an additional 4 years. Seeing his face is instantaneous puke
I truly hope not he is the most frightening Bogeyman in hte world for me and he's coming here! Theresa May has invited him despite him separating 6 month old children from their parents and locking them up! If this is not a publicity stunt or even if it is he needs locking away
It probably depends on how many people that voted for Trump in 2016 have turned on him. Probably Independents. If Bernie runs against him, Bernie might win by a big margin being that all the polling last election projected Bernie would win by a big margin. We know how projections go sometimes though. All the coal people have probably turned on Trump. All the people who thought he was going to stick it to corporations have probably turned on him. Voters seem to have a short memory though and will go by his latest speech, campaign promises, and debate sound bytes.
I was and am a Sanders supporter. My state was one of the last states to vote Hillary or Sanders. In the High School gym (capital city) the Sanders supporters outnumbered Hillary supporters by less then a 2 to 1 ratio. Do I think Trump is destroying America, Yes. Did I think Trump would win the first election? Yes. Do I think a majority of Americans will sit at home, not vote, and allow a minority to re-elect trump? Sadly yes.
Ugh...
Personally, i loathe to discuss this now. Our eyes should be on the midterms, not an election two years away.
That being said, it's all (as always) about turnout and engagement. Who shows up? Historically, republicans do a much better job. Historically, other people don't believe that elections have the consequences they do. Can we change that? The midterms might give us a clue to that, but I think it is too early to say.
I see two ways Trump can win.
The economy keeps rocking, and he can rig that. NK takes real steps towards disarmament, less likely but plausible. Trump would ride those two Yuge wins almost no matter who the DNC puts up.
Democrats choose another horrific candidate, it's a little scary Hillary and Bernie are so popular. Sanders might have beat him in 2016, but I think that's unlikely for 2020.
It's still early and any prognosticating is about as likely as your average religious prophecy.
Trump or Sanders won't win. Oprah will win ?
You might be joking, in which case, the prospect of Oprah winning is in fact funny. At his point, it's also absurd and here's why.
She said she's not running and made that "final." But if she were, the idea that celebrity should override someone's actual political stance, views and policies is a pop culture and media affectation that has permeated most western cultures.
Oprah is popular for many reasons, but "you get a car!.. you get a car! Everybody gets a car!" tells us nothing about her policies. What are her political views on... well, anything? Do we know? Other than her being quite spiritual (karma, fate, higher power beliefs) and wanting us all to get along, where does she stand on health care, immigration, the current pro establishment polices..? She wasn't for the estate tax - that is something she made clear.
"Anyone would be better than Trump" is a resignation that won't get us that far. The willingness to settle is likely one of the worst conditions know to man, when it comes to the detriment of many citizens.
I think it would be wise to elect someone who has some background and understanding of law or some experience with politics, other than voting. Sure, she's someone who would do her homework, but I also see her looking like a deer caught in the headlights as she'd become aware of the undertaking at hand... cut to - jokes about "not enough room for all her shoes in the white house and how she'll be "giving this political decision to the universe."
I so hope you are joking. To go from Trump to Oprah would be insane, We need another Obama, a scholar, a thinker and yes educated in reality.
We need to make American great again.
ugh. just what we need...another celebrity
Trump doesn't know how to not win. IF he doesn't develop a health issue or the deep state doesn't find a way to assassinate him, he'll win again.
There's a big difference between being a winner and being a con artist.
A winner is a natural born leader who is capable of uniting large numbers of people from differing backgrounds and beliefs towards a positive outcome. Winston Churchill was a winner.
A con artist is a loser who preys on the weak and the desperate in order to meet their own selfish ends because they have no real capacity to lead, inspire or motivate. Donald Trump is a con artist.
Oh... and you can damn well be sure that not many real winners throughout history have coasted through their entire life on a 22 billion dollar purse left to them by their daddy. Most real winners have worked their way from the ground up.
@webbew1 One of the fundamental flaws shared by political sycophants is the notion that the mere stating of something qualifies it as true and accurate because those they follow utter it repeatedly. This happens on both sides of the opinion scale. To tin god worshipers on the Right, Trump walks on water. From the Left, he's arch evil and phony.
Neither is actually the case and little of the blather is actually based on facts.
In your comment I see so many elements that are just not so, answering them all would be like trying to retreive and re-bag a handful of tossed confetti. This is what followers do. They restate things with which they've been programmed as though quantity equals veracity. I'll address a few.
The notion that leadership abilities are inborn is erroneous. A loser is by definition someone who fails at everything or almost everything they try. It far better qualifies as a description of a woman who twice lost bids for president than a man who overcame incalculable odds and phony, opinion manipulating 'polls' to WIN the presidency. One need not be a Trump worshiper to see this objective fact of history.
Preying upon weak (especially weak of mind) and desperate doesn't produce much wealth because those alleged victims possess no wealth in the first place. What they do possess are votes; hen ce their value is great to politicians who artfully prey upon them and acquire wealth after lying their ways into office.Trump was already in possession of greater wealth than any of the vote and contribution dependent politicians against whom he competed AND WON... The con-man label is green eyed myth for the most part.
Though acquisition of wealth has merit in some ways, it isn't the only criterion by which winning and accomplishing things in the world are measured. Mere opportunity is overrated. Once one has 'stepped on the stage' a performance must follow or the curtain quickly descends and so does the non-performer. The of real life and real business is produce or somebody who can produce will replace you. The in politics the opposite because terms are guaranteed regardless of whether one produces or not and lies combined with short public memory are often all it takes to perpetuate incompetence.
They aren't upset that Trump has connned his way in and is not producing; that is the deep state's game. They are terrified that he's actually DOING things he promised and rapidlly; that he's revealing the alleged leaders nakedness hidden behind tissues of lies a bout their finery propagated in the fawning press.
People are once again working in industries pronounced dead by political quacks. November willl once again disclose the patent mendacity of pre-election polls when the Blue Trickle dispatches whining consumers of myths to their safe spaces where they pleasure one another with artifice and fantasy.