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MEN: What would your reason be for asking a woman what she does for a living, upon meeting her?

I'm always sensitive to how men feel being asked this question right away by women. I don't ask, and I'm much more interested in learning other things about a man before knowing his occupation.

Imagine you've just met a woman, briefly discuss the weather and she asks, "So, what do you do for a living?"

I find men do this very often and I'd like to understand why, from a man's perspective. Is it that it's very important to you, or that you don't know what else to ask, or is it that you think you'll learn about her more quickly, by knowing? If so, would you be stereotyping? Has anyone made certain assumptions about you that were incorrect, based on occupational stereotypes?

Examples: Lawyers are dishonest; Investment bankers are ruthless; models are airheads; artists are flaky; construction workers are not that smart; accountants are boring..

Women are welcome to comment! I am just curious to know the motive behind men asking this question right away.

*I'm adding to this, as I'm getting a lot of "Just curious" replies which I don't believe addresses the question. Why are you curious? What will it tell you, that you need to know, in the first few seconds of meeting someone?

*Thank you all for your replies!

Athena 8 July 8
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Just an ice breaker really, not intrusive but shows an interest. I don't think it's any deeper than that.

Although if I met a woman in a wet suit playing a banjo I would ask 'What the fuck do you do for a living?' 🙂

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I think just to have something to talk about

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What you do for a living is probably how you spend the majority of time compared to any other activity. It's an easy thing to talk about. If they do something different than me it's easy to ask a follow up question and let them talk about what they do and make them important. If They do something I do or have done we can relate.

MsAl Level 8 July 9, 2018
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Tells many things, if she's working vs. solely taking care of kids, the type of work can give a clue as to intelligence, advanced degree etc., if she has time to date (some jobs are time intensive) and of course the normal small talk to see if you may have some interest, topic or industry and the people that go with them in common.

lerlo Level 8 July 9, 2018
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Forget that. What would you say if a guy asks you how much money you've got in your savings account on a third date?!

ABack Level 6 July 9, 2018

I find it better as a second date question 🙂

@NerdyOkieDude i wasn't making stuff up. Someone actually asked me that! This guy was looking for a girl to buy a house with, as he hated his flat. I got terribly angry!

@NerdyOkieDude I've had experiences even worse than that. People asking me on a first date whether I've got a mortgage or a car. !!! Very flattering right.

@AdriaBack I don't think they are worse than savings balance. With cars in particular, lots of guys are quite into cars and are interested in whether/what you have, just like they might be interested if you have a pet or if you have a do much traveling.

@JoeC NO, NO, NO! if someone's asking about my job, mortgage, pay scale etc., before they can barely pronounce my name it's always going to be a No/No. Even if it means that I'm going to remain single for the rest of my life.

@JoeC And yes I have a very well paid job and don't mind sharing my money with a partner. But if that's the main reason you want to be with me, NO!!!

@AdriaBack Your earnings wouldn't be the reason I might want to be with you; and I agree mortgage, pay scale and bank balance are odd things to ask about for that reason. However, I might ask about your job and car even though I am not interested in your finances I suspect other guys may act similarly. I am also aware that some people just bring up mortgages as small talk whether or not they are interested in someone as a prospective partner, I wouldn't do this because it sounds boring but others do. When rejecting people because you think they are only interested in your money you may be rejecting people who are not interested in money but just trying to make small talk. Of course if you are aware of that and comfortable with it that is fine, but if you hadn't considered it I thought it worth letting you know.

@JoeC I have never rejected anyone purely because they were talking too much about money, and that's probably why I ended up with an incredibly materialistic, self centered person with a massive sense of entitlement! Anyway, I had to leave them in the end. Now, I will reject someone because of talking too much about money, so that I don't repeat the bad experience.

@AdriaBack My point was that talking about a job or a car is different to talking about money.

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Since most of our hours of the day are spent working, I find it fascinating not just what they do, by why that chose that career path. If it's part-time or if they have a few part-time jobs. Do they live for the weekends? Are they downtrodden because of their job? Do they bring their work home with them? Do they have a work-life balance?
I usually ask later and see if I can learn something new from them, different perspective on how they work, even if it's in an industry unrelated.

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Just saw this and giggled

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I am looking to understand who she is. I realize that the short answer won't give any insight because we are not defined by the job we do. However just the fact that she gave me her job title instead of explaining the job or going into details the me a lot about her.

If she is responding in one phrase bits or short answers that says to me that she isn't interested in continuing the conversation.

Me: "So, what do you do for a living?"
Her: "Lawyer" or "Accountant"
Me: "Interesting" and now I'm looking for someone else to talk to.

Me: "So, what do you do for a living?"
Her: "I represent immigrants who are applying for citizenship. I speak Spanish and can translate for them in the US legal system, help them fill out paperwork, and generally give people hope of a new life"
Me: "Wow, that sounds like really satisfying work! Did you find that learning a new language made you appreciate the culture more?"

This last scenario does indeed tell me about who she is and in the process also gives me more covering hooks to explore. When I'm asked the same question I use it for similar purposes, to continue the conversation.

Her: "So, what do you do for a living?"
Me: "I work for Coke" pause for the inevitable declaration of Pepsi or Coke followed by which product is their favorite. "I work with the touch screen vending machines. They send data back every day." I then launch into how exciting my (maybe not exciting for everyone) data analytics job is... How I make folks happy by helping them out with Excel questions, how I enjoy automating tedious tasks, and my ongoing attempts to keep a good work/life balance.

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I dislike asking anyone what they do for a living, until I’ve gotten to know them a bit. I wait for it to come up. I have acquaintances where I STILL don’t know what they do. It’s not high on my list of need-to-know information about a person.

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I actually don't date any more, I kind of gave that up a while back. I did do a lot of dating when I was younger. I was very shy around people back then, in fact I don't think I ever asked any one out. It was usually a friend would set me up with someone they new, so They already knew what I was like, what I did for a living etc.

If they didn't know I had no problem telling them. I just figured that if they didn't like me because of how much money I made, then I'm glad to know that right off the bat.

But as far as how I felt about whet they did for a living, Honestly, I really couldn't care less. It's the person that I liked, not their job.

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Well let me say I'm a sales men.. One of the best topics for getting interpersonal with your coustomer is asking their occupation.. It lets you know many things about the person, one of them being just how open they are. It is a great conversation starter and a tactic taught by sales men.

This^^^^ I have also worked in sales and concur.

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I ask the question to help feel out an understanding of their identity. It’s not to pigeonhole a person, but to find out who they are. That’s also very typical of male-to-male introductions.

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Becuase I would expect her to ask me. I’m in the military and that means a lot going into a relationship.

For some, their jobs will heavily influence their life. I belive that is important to a relationship.

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It’s an exchange of information, small talk. ...if the answer is stunt pilot as apposed to baker it tells me allot, one would make me fat and the other nauseous🙂

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As a window into their daily life..to see if there are any commonalities between our work lives..
They may do work that you find very interesting..
It's more an implicit curiosity about the person's life than specifically the actual job...its entirely normal and innocent..is it not?

I don't believe it's a good question to ask right away, no. I know men who feel the same way.

"Hi, I'm Jack."

"Hi Jack, I'm Jill, what do you do?"

Thought bubble:

"I'm the guy who's about to toss you down that hill."

@Athena Actually, that is a good question to ask anyone to establish bases for conversation. For example, you answer that you work for one o the mega churches, or that you serve a God. I wouldn’t continue to talk. On other hand, if you say that you work for Sam Harris, or are physics teacher, I would know where the conversation will be headed. Between us atheists, I think it’s okay to skip niceties.

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Good question. A couple of reasons:

-Habit
-A conversation starter, a good jumping-off point to more questions and conversation.

In early conversations I am trying to determine a few things: Is she smart? Interesting? Is there something special, grabs my interest? Is this someone I am going to learn from? Occupation can help determine some of this.

It can also serve as a quick eliminator. There are some occupations I avoid.

Thank you for your answer.

I think this is exactly the point. Right away a person, man or woman, may feel they are being interviewed to earn more time.
When I meet a person, anyone, I don't want to feel like I'm on an audition to move to the next round.

Interestingly, this doesn't happen nearly as often when I meet someone in person. It more typically occurs within a social media or online forum.

@Athena But doesn't this happen all the time, in every situation? Sizing up can be either positive or negative, but it's how we are wired. In the getting-to-know someone phase, I am not being judgemental but I am curious. If the meeting is in person I'll have already done pre-work and have enough interest to meet. If not, more information gathering within the bounds of polite civility.

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I think it's a fall-back, a way to find something to talk about. I don't usually go there unless she brings it up. I'd rather find out who someone is before I ask how they pay their bills.

I did notice you phrased it "what do you do for a living?" People usually ask "what do you do?" When I get the question without the living part, my stock answer is "mostly make inappropriate comments."

I'm stealing that line. 🙂

You missing the point. The question wouldn’t be about bills, but about who they are. Besides, it’s hard to figure out someone unless you ask direct questions and verify the answers. You know, we people lie.

@Ladislaver
I think you might be missing the point. Building rapport is about getting to know someone without interviewing them. How someone feels while speaking with another is important. You find out these things eventually, but asking immediately is a sign of, either poor conversation skills, or something the asker is using as a process of elimination.

Which you stated is the reason you do it. If that's the case, I'm happy to be eliminated.

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It's not a question I generally jump to, unless there's a reason (such as she says the reason we may not have met before is that she normally works nights). I think it's just generally a good small-talk, non-closed question which focuses the attention on the other person while you're scrabbling around to think of something better to say.
Sometimes the answer is truly interesting and opens into great conversation, or they may say something like "I'm an operating system marketing co-ordinator for small manufacturing companies", in which case I will forget it immediately and could end up marrying the person without ever needing to know another thing about her job.
Whatever she does, the way she answers will probably tell you a lot more than the answer itself.

I think the moment someone brings up their work, the question is fine, as in the example you gave about working nights.

I usually will ask what made them choose their occupation, or if they enjoy what they do, even before "what do you do." You see what people appear to be, but I'm interested in the meat of what makes them tick.

There's a huge difference between "I'm a lawyer because both my parents are and they really wanted that for me too." And, "When I was a kid my father was wrongly convicted of a crime and spent 2 years in jail before they discovered he was innocent. He said he had a really bad lawyer."

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I don't ask right away if l ask at all. I've known men and women for 5 or 6 years here and l have no idea what they do for a living.

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Just gives something to talk about

Crikk Level 2 July 9, 2018

Exactly Crikk

That's fair. Occupation is a part of someone's life.. but I'm curious; how do you feel when it's the first question a woman asks you?

@Ladislaver
Can't come up with anything else?

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I agree. people tend to be identified by their occupation which is a bit sad. There are much more important aspects to a person than what they do for a living.

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For me it's a reach to find mutual interests.

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If I were to ask it would not be right away. But eventually it would likely come up. It helps to know the person a little better but is not necessarily a big indicator of who that person is. The next question might be did you choose this occupation and/ or why are you doing this for a living.

I like that. The "why" is more indicative of things that matter.

"I became a doctor because my parents made me go to medical school" is different from "my little sister died of a rare disease and I wanted to save other children."

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I never make a point of it. I just let conversations flow and go where they go. I have never been turned off by a womens profession, unless they were a lawyer.

Why a lawyer in particular?

An acquaintance of mine recently said she met a really terrific guy on vacation, then added "But then I found out he was a waiter, so there is absolutely NO way!"

I said "Oh my goodness, he was a pedophile?"

"No no, I said he's a waiter."

"Oh.. from your extreme reaction to not dating him, I thought that's what you said."

True story.

@Athena I have never met a lawyer I really trusted or liked of either gender. They spend years learning to lie and twist the truth. 🙂

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I think people ask because its largely, socially acceptable to do so. It's almost like asking a student "What's your major?"

Also assumptions are made that others are in careers that they love and that are part of their nature, their being. Before I was a teacher, I hated being asked "what I do." What I was doing before that had nothing to do with who I was fundamentally as a person.

These days talking about learning and teaching is a subject I'll talk your ear off.

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