In the past, people confronted me with the supposition that if I use expressions which use religious references, I am not agnostic. I disagree, and wrote a FB post about it at the time.
Which of these expressions do you hesitate to use, assuming they fit your dialect? Which do you use by accident?
Bless you, after a sneeze
Bless you, to indicate good will
Jesus Christ, as an expression of frustration
Jesus fucking Christ, if you swear in other circumstances
God damn you
Dammit
Go to Hell
God knows, as in no one knows
Heaven on earth, or seventh heaven
Heavens, as an expression of surprise
Thank God, as an expression of relief
Oh my God, as expression of surprise
Are there any other phrases in the dialect you share, which you avoid or try to avoid?
Not so much anymore. I used to . One I use often is Holy Houdini. Lol
By choice? Why?
@LionMousePudding I just don't want to use those phrases. I've always been very conscious about my language. I believe the words you use certainly expresses your level of intelligence.
Jesus tap dancing Christ yes!
Fantastic!
All the time. Sometimes this makes theists angry, but tough. People can believe anything they wish, but I am under no obligation to revere, respect or take seriously the imaginary players of their religion. Therefore, I use all the expletives I feel like, godded or not.
I say a lot of religious phrases despite not believing.
"Oh god" "for God's sake" "Jesus christ"
But I've always said gesundheit instead of bless you
depending on whether or not I am at work, I'll either say 'Oh, for Gods sake', or 'Oh, for fucks sake' as needed.
I use “god damn it” and “god fucking damn it” quite often. I also use “aww hell” and “hell yeah” a lot.
I don't avoid religious speak. Its nothing more than colloquial vernacular with nothing reverental involved. I will say, " my hand to Jesus/heaven/god" but I also say things like "Jesus fuck" "jumping jesus on a pgo stick", etc.
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Goddamn you to Hell
I pray to God, as desperate hope
I wish to God, as strong desire
Christian, as descriptive of moral behavior
God help me, as expression of hoping to control your behavior;
Hellish, as in awful
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Having written this question, and reading responses, I have really noticed of myself that I do use quite religious expressions. Having been raised with no religion (I only noticed I was not Christian when I was 12 and my friends were getting commencement gifts; in my town you were Christian unless proven Jewish; upon short contemplation I noticed I did not believe in God, so it all made sense), I certainly did not learn them at home. I do not think I learned them from a partner or location. I think I must have started ironically
I say things like "Lord have mercy (on my [poor] soul)" "Sweet mother of Jesus" "Heavens above" "Lord save us"
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I am a life-long non-believer in anything having o do with the supernatural or paranormal. Very early in my life (I was born in 1944 so it has been a while) I argued with cousins about Santa Claus. My logic was simple. I knew reindeer didn't fly and felt that fact alone discredited the whole program from square one.
Being born in North Carolina it was normal to pick up utterances such as Heaven knows or Thank god for or that and a rash of such simpleton horse manure. I was a skeptic even before I knew the word or concept, and when I did I thought, "that's what i am" and adopted both immediately. It wasn't long before I also adopted agnostic and eventually that morphed to atheist.
I tell people I'm a "card-carrying atheist" and then hand them my calling card that has "ATHEOS" under my name, with my cell # and address. I lead two atheist Meet Up sites and meet with fellow atheists every Sunday afternoon. Denton Atheist and Wise Free Thinkers and Skeptics; do a search for the terms.
When I came out as an atheist some 40-years ago, I decided then it was ridiculous to have such phrases in my vocabulary and began a private effort to rid myself of that trash and I'm pleased to report I was successful.
Also a question if I may; When you make a new friend whom you think is smart, intelligent or sharp are you disappointed to learn that are religious? I am.
Ken Hughes
I got in trouble in kindergarden for telling my classmates Santa Claus was not real!
i say bless you, and often add that it is my own blessing, not god's, i am bestowing, and i have only two to spare.
i do not avoid any of the other expressions, although i usually add a middle initial to the jesus fucking christ. i've never been christian, by the way. somehow, oh richard dawkins doesn't work when you bang your toe or trip over the dog.
however, i do not say b.c. and a.d. i say b.c.e. and c.e. i do have my standards!
if i am for some reason actually speaking about jesus, i do not give him the title christians have given him. jesus wasn't even his real name, but at least it's just a name. christ is a title. i don't use it (except, as aforementioned, i am producing an excited utterance, in which case i am just using the expression as a sound).
i most certainly do not say stuff like "it's in god's hands," "it's god's will" or, other than a response to a sneeze, "bless you."
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Btw ... I use Islamic greetings with Muslims and Shalom with Jews and call my of my Chinese friends comrades. Neither affects my "commitment" to atheism.
your question almost warrants a PhD in applied linguistics ... i wonder How perversive other Religions are. You should read Asterix & Obelix. The authors transposed these Religions reference to the Roman religio-linguistic background replacing all references.
I do have one bachelors’ and two masters’ degrees in Linguistics. However, my question is only of people here: to find out how agnostics in this group feel about using religious terms in everyday language, and whether it makes them uncomfortable either to use terms both from religion and literally meaningless without religion. That is, ‘heaven’ has one main meaning that religios agree on and we laugh at; ‘Heaven help us’ has another meaning which can be used secularly as a phrase.
We have each answer that interests me here. Some (fewer than I imagined) DO try to avoid religious language. Some use it on purpose to annoy religios. And most just use is because it is simply our language, who cares where the words come from.
In other words this IS applied (socio-)linguistics!
Any awkward turns of phrase above are entirely blamable on the baby rat racing around on the bed with me ?????
@LionMousePudding I am a staunch atheist but a culltural christian. Many expressions that imply religiosity at face value have been stripped of their religious essence. For me an expression like "God forbid I am an athesit" is not an oximoron.
Staunch believers are far more likely to avoid expressions that might allude to the value system of another religion or atheism.
@LionMousePudding I must admit that I systematically refuse to use religious titles, e.g. father, brother, sister ... but I am equally reluctant to use military titles.
@PontifexMarximus I use sister for myself when I have to choose a prefix.. to Hell with prefixes, why do forms insist on them?! .. and I am my sister's sister, anyway! ??
My catholic college roommate used to say, "Judas Priest!"