Well, what that fellow was saying is in keeping with what they believe. They don't buy into the trinity thing at all, so they consider the Big Boy in the Attic as the supreme creator dude and the Dead Jew on a Stick is the son. They are not one in the same and there is no holy spirit per se.

They only celebrate one holiday and that is in recognition of how the Nazareth Kid got to be the Dead Jew on a Stick. Because this was supposed to have occurred on Passover, they celebrate once a year on the 14 day of the Hebrew month of Nisan (the Jewish calendar). They commemorate this fabled death as a ransom or 'propitiatory sacrifice.' They call it the Lord's Evening Meal or Memorial. No other celebrations are recognized.

That number is 144,000. 144,000 will go to the Great Foreverland Park in the Sky. The remainder of the 'saved' will enjoy Forever After Blissful Life on a perfect Earth without global warming and no threat of the sun ever going nova. This all has to be true because the guys at the Watchtower Society say it is.

They don't vote. That's a positive thing about them, anyway.

Why waste any effort figuring out their BS?

Sorry about your mom.
JWs are a weird lot. I mean, all believers are fairly weird, but the JWs take it
to another level. Like Mormons.
They're ALL cults.

Well its religion of course its flawed. That's one of my main points when someone says anything about a God. I ask which one? There response is normally there is only one, which I say so you believe in the same God ad someone in the middle east? Or in Asia? Which they get a puzzled look on there faces.

yes 144000 to rule in heaven with god and jc a sort of priest class if you will most being already there the remainder to be called (i think this means some sort of end of times last pick not sure been a while since i lost my jw friend).also yes god(jehovah) is the father jc his son every other saved soul resides on an eden type earth for ever the rest are just destroyed for eternity. finally yes it would seem odd and flawed get people together to write a story then others to interpret the true meaning of said story and you have the beginnings of a shit storm of contradictions that we all know and love as religious teachings.
hope you are doing ok take care

I'm sorry for your loss. We only have one mom.

First off it is 144,000 destined for heaven. Jehovah and JC in the same sentence and JC as the holy son. Certainly. The Witnesses do not believe in the Holy Goat of the Trinity. Why does it all seem odd or flawed? Maybe because all religion is odd and flawed. You dig further and you find that Jesus was really Michael the Archangel. Mainstream religions hate them for these reasons and the fact that they deny existence of a soul, and they have to have the soul because this is the way people are instantly in heaven or hell regardless of what happens when they did. Religion cannot stand death and is largely a fear of death to start with. Like the song "where the soul of man never dies" we have to have eternal life before we even get there. There are a lot of quirks in the Jehovah Witness belief but in the end they are just as quirky as any of the rest of them. Gods and religion are imaginary.

The first thing I think is I am so so sorry for your loss. As for the funeral service I had to attend a JW-based one last month. I am lucky in that I was able to just sit there and remember the deceased in my own way in my own mind. I don't think I will ever get the 'god' stuff at all even though I was brought up catholic (even through those years I never really understood the point). I hope you manage to move forward with your life with some sort of happiness, I know that's not the right word. My thoughts are with you and with everyone else going through a loss.

The number is 144,000. It's in that ergot-induced nightmare, Revelations. Just ask yourself, given the Earth's population of 7 billion people, are you the best person out of 55,000 of your closest friends? No? Then you're going to hell.

But it's actually worse than that. That 144,000 is not general admission seating. All of those spots are reserved for the 12 tribes of Israel, 12,000 each. So the bible actually says that not a single Christian gets to go to heaven. So why would anyone be a Christian?

It's all a crock of shit so it doesn't matter if they get some of it wrong, it's only a story. Sorry to hear about your mum.

There a millions of JW's. If you are not in the 150,000 what then. i don't like the odds here so I'll pass.

People like to think that they are part of a chosen elite group. Thinking you are a member of the chosen elite also makes it easier to ignore those who disagree with you.

Sorry for your loss. I am an xjw and I have been out of the cult for many years. In jw dogma 144,000 go to heaven. For the rest of jws they must obey without question everything that the governing body tells them. These commands are non negotiable, question them and you are out! Huge consequences follow, if your family are jws then you will be shunned by them. All other jws will treat you as though you are dead. No contact in any form because if they do then they are in big trouble also. They see god as the almighty and jesus as a separate and very inferior being. Like all religions it's all horse shit.

I'm so sorry you lost your mom!

The loss of a mother is hard. I focus on the good memories of those I have lost and it helps. Hope your memories are warm of your mom. Take care of yourself. In direct answer to your question, what the preacher was saying really does not matter. He works from flawed texts with flawed reasoning.

Sorry for your loss . I personally have not been presented with evidence of any god or gods.

The whole thing is really just double talk anyhow.

Jehovah is a poor translation of the Hebrew "yahweh", regardless.... the jw are nontrinitarian. They believe that jesus is the son of yahweh, not the same spirit... jesus is the Arch Angel Michael incarnate and sent by jehovah. They are not a death cult, they are considered an end times religion like 7th day adventist.

Feel free to ask questions about this area i am well versed.

I am very sorry for your loss. You only get one mom. ? Wouldn't you think that quota of 150,000 people was filled a few centuries ago? These folks might as well party their fannies off. The inn is full.

When it comes to death cults, I really, really like those Jehovas Witinesses followers. The organization is something else. Like all other death cult spin-offs of the Abrahamic theologies, the 'Witnesses' are overseen by males. They also base their entire perspective on allegedly inspired determinations of what is and is not 'scripture'; scripture being an unquestionable level of dictates originating with their god.

One of the most corrupt proceedings in the ancient world was the council at Nicaea and it was the determiner of which ancient writings qualified as 'scripture'. It was also glaringly consistent with all major religions since that era of being entirely male dominated.

The witnesses are scholarly and well meaning folks. The fatal flaws with them are shared with all other major cults in that males lead them.

My beliefs differ from all such cults in that I believe women to be humanity's better natural leaders and that males are vital to the protection and support of that status.

Why do so many religions seem to want to find a way to keep believers out of heaven, just one of the many things that make me wonder why anyone wants to believe, especially the jehovah’s with that limit on heaven, would have to think it’s getting pretty full already, I mean i’m No mathematician but we have about 8billion people, 150,000 goes into that what like half a billion times, at least some of those people have to be good enough for jehovah, and that’s only the people alive now how about all the people from say the last 2000 years, and also all the future people, not sure this number is going to be as big as everyone expects, so ya nobodies odds are good at getting into jehovah’s heaven, but hey if your a good jehovah and you don’t get in, you can always get into catholic heaven with a few hail mary’s And an our father
My condolanced on you mom

I'm sorry for your loss. Run away jw bs. You will be better off. JW is most messed religion in christainity. Followed by the mormons and catholics.

Being an former fool of religion, that jw are more screw up than most religious sects. To my knowledge they are the only sect that claims there is a certain number of people that get into heaven. Other sects claims everyone can get into heaven, if they perform the rituals of that sect and believe in the teachings god,etc. What's sad is that I considered becoming one of those jw fools. Glad I avoided that train wreck.

I would go to a funeral - I would even do the rituals out of respect for the living .but nothing could make me belive any of this and i wouldnt even try to make sense of it - if it helps them, good. It certainly doesnt hurt me.

It sounds as ridiculous as any faith-based hogwash.

My condolences on your loss. My mother has been looking into religion recently but I gave her a quick lesson in what that means today. Cherry-picking. If she wants to believe in the good parts of the bible, she would be better of not reading it.