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Many American evangelicals believe the world is entering the Biblical End Times. It is important that atheists, agnostics, and secularists understand that the attitudes and political actions of evangelicals are often in direct conflict with our own interests. For example, many evangelicals are not concerned with global warming or with oil drilling in pristine Alaskan wilderness areas since they believe the Lord will provide for them and the Earth has no long-term future. Moreover, it is very important to most evangelicals that people such as Judge Roy Moore and Donald Trump succeed because each of these men is implementing a portion of God’s plan in their own unique way. End Time believers have become very fanatical (some would say doggedly ruthless) in their pursuits; secularism and civil society be damned, there is urgency to their quests.

astrochuck 6 Jan 26
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I agree. QWhen I think of our planet being destroyed, I do not think it is some religious promise. I think it is obvious that the planet is in grave trouble over fossil fuels polluting the atmosphere and plastics that never die. I watch a documentary THAT SHOWED THE OCEAN FULL OF PLASTIC. Plastic is predicted that it will cover all water by 2050. That is unless we come up with a solution. The glaciers are melting at 7% per year. I saw a documentary on Sweden, and it was sad. Great rich land and good water being destroyed by fossil fuels. I watched a brief documentary a couple days ago. It was raining in Anartica! The climates all over the planet are nuts. We must develop products that curtail and cure this damage. The process of fracking for coal or oil is extermely dangerous to our water supply. The pressure exerted by the fracking process cause the earthc limestone layer to change into gravel. The is a gas RELEASED THAT WILL COMBINE WITH THE LIMESTONE that is deadly poisonous. If it pollutes the earth's water supply, their is no cure. The poison it deadly to all life that needs water to live. It is time for the strong of our planet to unite internationally, because the money hungry governments could care less. We must save the earth for our children and grandchildren!

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We have been in the end times since the invention of Jesus. I like the expression, "Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die". James Thurber has a great story which he tells in his book, a Thurber Carnival about an aunt who believed that electricity was flowing out of empty light bulb sockets. The story includes a character called the Get Ready Man, whose line is "Get ready, get ready, the world is coming to an end!". If these are really the end times, then I will go out laughing.

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Yes, many of them want to hasten Armageddon, & that should scare the hell (excuse my French!) out of any rational person. When social & political leaders actively seek discord & war to hasten the end times that puts them in opposition to anyone legitimately working towards peace.

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The problem is, it seem s to become a fucking self fulfilling prophecy, as they are ruining the planet they feel is doomed anyway, and even hasten to bring about Armageddon to meet their maker sooner. if only they were raptured out of here yesterday.

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It is quite possible. I consider Trump, whom I refer to as 45, as one of the Antichrists. If there is such a thing. Not only that , but I got an email yesterday. Basically it was reporting the doomsday clock had now moved to 2 minutes till midnight, with midnight as doomsday. The clock has returned to a position it was in during 1953. They claim the change in the movement ahead is due to climate change, all the fighting in the world, and the mighty deeds of Trump.

We are not worried the world will end because of some silly prophesy, but that the moron that evangelicals out in office will hasten it through ignorance of climate change of pushing the effing nuke button because he is a petulant child.

Whatever will be, will be. The greedy billionaires like 45 are definitely going to hasten the end of days. I did an internet search for Biblical verses on the end of times. I think the Bible says if you read the different verses, 'End of days' are from other books in the Bible. Few are from Revelations. I believe there is a 1000 years between Jesus second coming and the end. He comes then and takes all those that go to live with him. He leaves the Antichrist and the people alive and those already dead are left doomed on earth. During that 1000 years, I guess some get their lives straightened out, they will go with Christ at the end. This is when Armeggedon is to occur. There are so many geographical differences in the occupied land that the way it is now. Iran/Iraq area was originally the area governed by King Solomon and King David. The the Babylonians overrun the area and claimed it as their own. Originally Jerusalem was only about 50 miles SE of Bagdad. I will have to read it again and find some more information. This reading material says there is no such thing as the RAPTURE. They said that is a myth of mankind's. As I recall, little word on the end of times came from Revelations. If I recall right, much came from the book of Timothy and some from John, the prophet. It was strange reading for it sounded like all the bad would be removed from earth and all who were with Jesus would stay on earth to live there again. I must read it again and add some more to my reading. As I recall, the prediction was much different than I was taught as a child. I am no longer have a bond with the complete Christians, the extremeists. or any of the Christians belief systems. I do though find them interesting.

I have no philisophy on the end of days. I merely gave what I found in some research I did. I reincarnate, so my belief system is Reincarnation. I have nodsire to defend my choice or discuss it like a debate.

" I am no longer have a bond with the complete Christians, the extremeists. or any of the Christians belief systems. "

Betty, you may think you are so much more sophisticated than "Christian extremists" , but you are not. You wrote a long paragraph of drivel about Revelation, 1000 years, blah, blah. It's all nonsense, none of it has any basis in reality. You are just as deluded as any fundamentalist literalist out there.

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I heard they said that in 1880... 1900... The mayas ran out of stone in their calendar so must be the end... I remember when the jehova witness built a house for jesus and mary return to earth and was of course their leader home until they get here at the end... they were forced to sell the palace. During the 1940's was the end... 1960's was the end, 1999 was the end, 2002 was the end. Next week they are going to say it is the end. 2038 they are going to say is the end... 2058 they will say it is the end. So Why The Fuck To Worry?

@astrochuck Yeah... this is going to get worse. We have exalted celebrities to the positions of demigods. We are even electing them... and to think that Italy had a few female porn stars doing a great job in the legislative branch and what we do?

i think some of you are out of your minds, obsessed to the point of insanity. I only have one sure belief and it is based on science. If humanity contiues to pollute the earth, they will pollute and destroy the earth with climate change and fracking,

@BettyColeman only belief I got is that some day I am going to die. My only belief.

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Muslims believe this end of time is coming too, and oddly Jesus is included in the scenario too ,except he won't be batting for the Christians he will be gunning for them.

[nytimes.com]

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It is a pure and simple cult of death......

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One of my daughters and her husband (who is an ordained minister) are absolutely convinced that the end of days is imminent. They interpret most anything that happens in current world events as fulfilling part of the prophecy. What's worse is that they have indoctrinated their 8 kids, mostly successfully, with the same outlook.

Meanwhile, all I can do is shake my head because it's nothing but a bunch of nonsense.

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This is a big part of irrational thinking. End time have come and gone many, many times yet these people are convinced the next one is the right one. I have heard all the insane things they do to get their heaven. Just another example of a heaven filled with fanatical, insane, violent, stupid, cowardly, arrogant people. This is not a heaven but a hell.

FFRF published one of my letters where I theorized that this is like the Santa Clause idea. Kids behave especially good around Christmass because Santa will give them presents. Immediately after they get their gifts they revert back to their own true selves. Once these people get their "reward" what's to keep them from reverting to the bad people they say we atheists are because we don't subscribe to their system of rewards and punishments?

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So they are actually right? The ultimate potential Darwin award candidates.

godef Level 7 Jan 26, 2018

But in the end we will all get the "Darwin" reward.

@JackPedigo Do you know what the Darwin award is? It's always awarded posthumously to a person who is such a douche that they fortunately do something tragic that removes themselves from the gene pool.

@godef I understand the term. Technically it doesn't apply to those on the sidelines but in this case if too many are willing to sit idly by and watch them take us all down we should be included.

I heard that the major problems are not caused by evil but weakness. I believe that.

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It’s absolutely terrifying. Especially with their idol in office. But this world has had world ending word of god acts happen numerous times throughout history. And we are still kicking. Their is always going to be fanatics. It’s life. People are afraid of not knowing so they latch on. It’s just a problem because they believe you need to believe it to or die.
We need to stand up to them. Push out oil. Push in endless energy sources such as solar and tide converters. We need to spam the general populace with science and they willl wake up a bit just as they have with all science throughout history.

But this world is not like it was before. 15,000+ scientists issued a dire warning about the state of the planet. I just read my favorite business journalist's article "The Cost of Carbon: Pay now or Pay Later". In it he said: "Modern humans have never faced an existential crises like this before."

@astrochuck I recently read about a theory that counters the idea there may be lots of intelligent life in the universe. The idea was that there are myriads of hurdles life has to go through to reach even our level (dinosaurs going extinct, planetary conditions, just the right species evolving and on and on). This overcoming of our own inablilty to overcome the basic tendencies of our nature is one hurdle.

I have put this article out for the froup before but will link you as well: [thehumanist.com]

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