Women are Leading the Field
For years, I have been reading of the Gender Pay Gap, the Glass Ceiling etc. It seems like in America at least, the Good News was under-reported. Wait, is it fake news?
I would like to hear your views and experiences.
The first video:
It doesn't really address the gender pay gap. And unfortunately, I can't see the list of sources of the statistics the video presents. I'm not on Facebook. Did the poster of the video backed-up the stats with a list of sources? E.g. "83% of all financial decisions are made by women - in america."
Regardless the video concludes that women are doing better overall (life expectancy, less likely to declare bankruptcy, more new businesses are started by women, etc...) because women got married before having kids, got a job, or finished school.
That point above ALSO applies to men you know, if they got married before kids, got a job and finished school, then men will have better lives. It's the typical non-argument used to prove a point: because "point a" is true, "point b" must be true. But in reality, that is not always the case, because "point c" may be getting ignored.
It's the very definition of "cherry picking".
I'll let you decide if Turning Point USA either ( 1 ) has an agenda in that video, or ( 2 ) is simply releasing hard data and facts for us to determine ourselves about whether patriarchal society exists or is a myth.
Your second link:
I don't think the "debunking the gender wage gap" page is working. It didn't load in my browser. The page loaded and the graphic loaded, which I assume is their title card, but nothing else. There's no play button. And clicking on the graphic or any other unlikely buttons didn't do anything.
Anyway, Here are 2017 stats on gender pay gap:
AUS's gender pay gap data sourced from the Australian Bureau of Statistics: [wgea.gov.au]
Full-time average weekly earnings: women earn $251 less than men - about 15.3% less than men.
GB has legislation that requires employees to collect gender pay gap data: [gov.uk]
Hourly rate of pay: women earn 16.9% less than men.
Thank you for your contribution. perhaps if you copy and pasted the link into another browser. I clicked on it and the link opened fine on Safari. The page does provide links to its sources such as CNN, Citylab, Fortune, Washington Examiner, and more.
The video for the first link was also contained in page (second link).
There are distinctions to be made between gender pay gap and equal pay (for equal work). As I understand it anti-discrimination laws are there to prevent unfair (now illegal) discrimination and prejudices affecting employment and access to services etc.
The gender pay gap appears to be a statistic which is a starting point for investigation. It looks to be a very blunt statistic.
What are your more personal experiences?
@Treasurehunter Ahhh...That 2nd link worked this time. The full page loaded. Previously, only the top-half loaded and I assumed that the graphic was the title card for a video.
Anyway, those statistics in your 2nd link are positive! Nice. I expect the gender pay gap for AUS and GB to follow suit in next year's statistics.
HOWEVER...
1: The statistics for Wage Premium for Single, Young women WAS from 2008 according to a fact checker from 2014: (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/)
2: And more importantly from the same fact checker: "...While Wood is careful to note that she was talking about "childless, single young women" in metropolitan areas, Chung said that Wood failed to note that the analysis concerned median incomes between men and women....Why is that important?...Median income figures look at earnings in the aggregate, rather than compare like jobs or professions. That leaves the claim open to the same criticism Republicans levy against Democrats when they claim women earn 77 cents for every $1 a man does. (Namely, that the statistic isn’t a true apple-to-apples comparison.)"
I've run out of time checking the other statistics in your 2nd link. Sorry. I'm really interested in looking more into it. Will do when I return to the computer later.
(Also, I'm not in HR and therefore don't have any personal experiences in regards to the pay gap between genders in similar work responsibilities. I'm just going by the data. What is your experience, if you don't mind me asking? Your question to me seems to suggest that you have a metric in regards to women-v-men specific to your experience.
I understand that specifics are more important to the individual person. And I'm not dismissing that importance.)
@SamKerry In large organisations, there is a standardised pay structure which ensures people are generally paid according to what & mostly how good they do their job. So equal pay for equal work normally happens. Access to training and education is. pretty much equal these days. IMHO it's really in selection, promotion, part v full time and how long people are actually in post for progression that affects the average/median earnings by gender. that's based on qualitative observations rather than scientific surveys and statistical analysis.
I believe that although the wage gap doesn't exist in the form of "a woman earns 70% of what a man does for the same job" however my sister has experienced misogyny in the workplace where the men would make sexual jokes and verbally harass her. (This is in Australia).
I myself have never harassed any women, mainly because of fear of being arrested for simply offending their feelings. Since you can be arrested if you so much as hurt a woman's feelings.
When I worked part time during highschool I had a job in a cafe and I worked with one or two girls around the same age. I would usually do more of the heavy lifting and general jobs like cleaning tables, lifting stock out back and cooking. Whilst my female co-workers would usually do dishes, work the till and serve customers. We are all suited for different jobs and I think that's fine, we all got paid the same and there were no complaints.
Women are already out performing men in several areas. Medicine, nursing, teaching, art, etc. But men who dominate Engineering, mathematics, sciences, etc. are just taking different career paths.
Although some female teachers need to understand that girls can do whatever they want. 2 of my friends who went to an all girl school talked to their careers adviser about a career and she said "Oh don't go into engineering, there are no jobs there" which is one of the most stupid and ignorant things a person could say. Both of my friends are now studying engineering degrees extremely successfully.
So it's not men who are holding women back in all cases, sometimes it's women who don't know a thing about the world who lie to their students just to keep up their ego.
In conclusion. Sexism exists to an extent but men are not wholly responsible for the current state of women in the workplace.
It has long been known more men commit suicide and women attempt, NOt sure why this was included here
Maybe to show that women cope with mental health and problems better? Indicator of better health experience?