It is a felony to covert a gun to automatic fire. I know gun smiths who don't have a clue of how to convert a fire arm from semi auto, to full auto. It is nearly impossible to do. You would need to be a mechanical engineer, have a lot of machinery, and a skilled a machinist to accomplish such a task. I personally have seen burst fire weapons, there is no easy way too convert a semi-auto to auto. A kit to convert an AR is a rare find, and is strictly controlled by the ATF, not mention the cost is prohibitive.

What you say is pure disinformation.

Most fire arm deaths are self inflicted suicide. Feel free to google anything I have said.

The point being that it is a less than lethal alternative. Also @Leutrelle has made several good points on how difficult it is to get your hands on a full auto.

Personally I believe it is a mental health problem but the source "bad parenting or lack of parenting" will never be solved. Not that it really matters, we never tackle the source of the problem anyway, we just make excuses.

@Lancer @Leutrelle
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You know, these arguments, like guns don't kill, people do, and if people didn't have guns they'd use something else, might be swallowed in the US but in the rest of the world, they don't fly.

@David1955 Well I'm glad I live in the US. I don't want to be like the rest of the world. Gun ownership is important to me. Like I said most gun deaths are self inflicted suicide, and the majority of the rest of gun deaths happen in the inner city, and there problems are economic.

If you want to stop gun deaths in the inner city then quit sending our industry over seas, and put industry in the inner city! Good paying jobs will great reduce the inner city drug traffic. The inner city folks will choose a safe secure job over slinging drugs. Instead of hating guns, Trump, and anybody who doesn't think like you, maybe put some that negative energy into solving the inner city problems. That where the real tragedy is.

You can make guns completely illegal, and the folks slinging drugs will still have them, the terrorist will still have them, and anybody not right in the head or has criminal intentions will still have guns. The guns and ammo will just come through the open borden, not the closed border to the north, but the open southern border. The hypocrisy on the gun issue is astounding!

In my opinion bump stocks are a gimmick. They hinder target acquisition. A bump stock is not a automatic weapon!

@David1955 An intelligent killer can easily kill 30 people with knives alone. Or start a fire like Grenfell Towers in London. Guns are a tool, removing them just disarms the law abiding citizens and increases the number of innocent people killed in poorer neighborhoods in America where the "data" isn't collected from.

If an intelligent person wanted to, they could kill at least 100 people in one go. But the reason they don't is because of their 1) intelligence and 2) sane state of mind.

America has very little of both at the moment (less sanity but a little intelligence).

We need to focus on the real problem. Degrading mental health as a result of bad parenting. And degrading intellectual ability due to poor attention to classes in school. America as a country has lost it's core values and principles. Leading to more liberal parenting and a culture of "passing on the blame" which has had a detrimental effect on all western societies.

We can't just take away a persons gun, it is the only thing keeping many of them alive. If we remove the guns then crime will increase and all of the dead will litter the streets of the poorer communities.

Now is not a time for disarmament, it is a time for cultural change.

@NFAguy53 Fair enough. I just think that this problem won't end if all guns are taken away. It is a societal problem and it needs to be addressed first before we talk about gun legislation.

That makes sense. The only problem I have with that is the fact that I don't trust all these emotional crazy unstable sexually confused but jobs we call "people" with any weapon at all.

If you look at a country like Australia where 66% of tradesmen go to work with at least 1 type of drug in their system. You'd also understand why it would be horrible to arm people like that.

Even though I myself would like to be armed at all times. In case a shooter or terrorist decides to try end my life.

I can't even carry a leather mans in the UK. it's a really good country at making victims.

You could be right.

I know. The idea was a "less than lethal" alternative

I completely agree with you

I’ve watched fathers let their kids go without decent shoes yet ‘every payday’ purchase another gun! Those same kind of fanatics have been hoarding powder and bullets for 30 years now, assuming, when ‘all hell breaks loose,’ they’ll not only ‘win,’ but become rich selling guns & ammo.. And when ‘the end times’ don’t arrive, decide to go out taking as many as possible with them...

That'd never work. That just means the poorer people won't be able to afford ammunition to practice. Making them less accurate, causing more damage and possibly injuring innocent bystanders.

@Varn

Scary thought.

@Lancer

It was a thought.

@Varn If fanatics are hoarding guns and ammunition, then there are less for the bad guys to shoot people with so that would be a good thing.

@dahermit They’ve fed an industry that’s used it’s profits to encourage more consumption and pay off politicians to keep it all going… And with all that ammo out there, there’s more for the bad guys to take..

@dahermit

Wouldn't they just make more? Every time there is a mass shooting gun/ammo sales go up. Isn't it logical that the manufacturers would increase production?

For what purpose? What do you hope to accomplish?

@dahermit

It was just a thought. If ammo is very expensive then the perps would be more careful about waste, and maybe there would be less drive-by shootings. Possibly law enforcement would have more opportunity to concentrate on the underground sales of firearms/ammo instead of the kids on the street in gangs shooting each other.

@Betty I like that idea...as a person who makes his own ammo in great abundance to allow me to shoot about 13,140 rounds per year on my home range, if there was an ammo shortage it would up the price and I could make more to sell on the Black Market. I could make some serious money.

@dahermit

The black market being illegal would mean serious jail time if you were caught and since there would be money from taxes the ATF would have the resources to find you.

@Betty There is serious jail time for being a drug dealer but that has not resulted in fewer people addicted to drugs.

"How about heavily taxing ammunition and gunpowder?" Why should those of us who use guns for hunting, target, shooting, etc. have to pay more because there are criminals who use guns to kill people? None of my guns have ever killed anyone.

@dahermit

That's like saying, why should my insurance go up, I've never had an accident?

Tax dollars fund services you'll never use. You don't use women's health clinics, why should you pay for it?

Are you telling me that you have gotten the benefit of all the services that your tax dollars have paid for? If you did then you would be the first one I have heard of.

@dahermit

That's a different conversation since it is a little more complicated. The health profession has a measure of responsibility that hasn't been dealt with.

I already said I didn't think it was a real solution. It was a joke I said to a friend.

Also just chill. I'm not your enemy. I enjoy target shooting myself and if I could. I'd shoot almost every day.

it's the world we made ourselves

@LeighShelton What ever that means.

well guns and violence are a human trait that we do to our own kind