Why was Britain's universal health care blasted by US minority-elected president?
I invite a personal opinion based on facts from anyone living in a country with universal healthcare. Unlike our minority-elected president, do your own research and express yourself using cognitive thinking and emotional intelligence higher than a 5-year-old.
www.cnn.com has their own slanted article. The opposing news site, www.foxnews.com, did not cover the tweet or Britain's response. No surprise. Below is Reuters article.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Because Trump loves to alienate our allies and bend over for our adversaries, whether because he just wants to do it or because someone else (like Putin) wants him to do it. He very much likes strongmen and aspires to be one of them.
marga
Level 7
Feb 9, 2018
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Reuter's article didn't come up for me (error mssg), but I don't know if I need specifics. Drumpf in mis/un-informed about most everything. Universal healthcare is something that should have been part of our country for ages, now. When I worked in a law office I saw too many, mostly elderly, clients that were forced into bankruptcy due to medical debts. They were devastated & usually deeply shamed, from something they had no control over. It is a disgrace that in the USA hardworking citizens can be pushed to the brink of losing their homes & their savings over medical costs. Trump promised "great health coverage" for all, gee, what a surprise, he lied, & instead of improving did his best with his cronies in Congress to dismantle the ACA.
Now, with this "tax cut" we will see federal debt go up & it will give conservatives the opening they've been salivating for to dismantle all entitlements! They've been trying to destroy Social Security since its inception. Get ready for the reinstatement of debtors prisons!
phxbillcee
Level 10
Feb 6, 2018
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I'm having a he'll of a time here. Won't let me update my message, so here's a link to a Business Insider article--same info.
Because our president is an ignorant asshole. I apologize to the rest of the world on behalf of the United States. We don't have our shit together right now.
Twisty420
Level 4
Feb 6, 2018
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A little rough, but so true. I have many friends out of the country, and I am also embarrassed by our political scene right now. We are quickly becoming the global lauighing stock and the butt of political ridicule worldwide. The US lost the title of "leader of the free world" when he pulled US out of the Paris Accord for love of money. SMDH
He was referring to a protest aimed at our current government that is trying to sell off big chunks of the NHS into private providers whilst chronically under funding the service.
The NHS remains free at point of entry and available to all - regardless of bank balance or previous conditions and remains one of the best in the world.
I suspect that Trump was using this protest about "the NHS not working" as a way to reinforce that Obama care or any other form of universal healthcare doesn't work. Just another way to show the politically illiterate how his vision of healthcare (for those that can afford to pay and sod the rest) is best....
Uncorrugated
Level 7
Feb 5, 2018
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In my years of nursing I have become a fervent supporter of universal healthcare. Other counties have modeled for us how it can be done, and were we to stop spending all of our money on our empire military, it would certainly be feasible. Hell, we would save money. Trump once said Australia's healthcare system was far superior to ours, but it didn't take long for him to figure out how the bread gets buttered in Washington. The people I have taken care of who have died because they waited to long due to lack of insurance, the man who walked out of his hospital room because he couldn't afford it, who I begged to stay, who was actively having a heart attack, those moments haunt me. These are other humans, and it disgusts me that anyone would put profits over lives.
SarahSummer78
Level 4
Feb 5, 2018
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It disgusts me that anyone does put profit over lives. But this is America at war in the last 100 years. If we are in a recession, start a war. If we are in a depression, start a war. If we want more profits, start a war.
@EllenDale agreed. All of our woes trace directly back to the military industrial complex and it's wars for fossil fuels and other resources. Not only do we suffer, but we make life hell and murder millions of other human beings.
Very probably because it's in his and the UK's Conservative Party interest to convince as many people as possible that the NHS (which, in my opinion, is the greatest thing this country ever did) is unsustainable and worthless, so it can be broken up and the services it offers can be sold off to private healthcare companies, many of which are based in the USA.
Jnei
Level 8
Feb 5, 2018
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Jnei:
@EllenDale I strongly believe the real reason the UK government is making so many cut-backs is a desire to make the NHS as bad as possible (right now, thanks to the hard work of the amazing people who work in it, it's still excellent) so that when the time comes that we lose it people will say "oh well, it was crap anyway."
Minority - elected president? I suppose poor Hilary didn't know that its the Electoral College that matters. Bad strategy cost her the election. You really wanted someone that can't figure that out to run this country?
So happy that Trump won!
gater
Level 7
Feb 5, 2018
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@gator Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. How is Hillary Clinton relevent in this discussion? I'm thrilled you are happy. We all should be happy about something, some time. I'm talking about healthcare. Care to lend your opinion about that? I, for one, am interested in what people have to say I as long as we agree on the subject. If you would care to post your opinions on who should run the country or about "poor Hilary" (sic), i would certainly respond for discourse, not arguing or mud-slinging purposes.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. We need more people communicating!
@gater Let me explain it to you...
Popular Vote: (Actually Means Fuck-all)
Trump 62,979,879 (46.1%)
Clinton 65,844,954 (48.2%)
Electoral College: (Antiquated System)
Trump 306
Clinton 232
Two Electoral Colleges voted against Trump
Five Electoral Colleges voted against Clinton
As stated by the FACTS: Trump was named President after being voted into office by the minority of citizens of the US.
If you're going to "run with the big boys," @gater, use facts to have a leg to stand on. Then maybe somebody will care what you have to say.
@gater I am stating fact. That it bothers you is irrelevant to me. (What you think of me is none of my business.) If you were to call him the person who got the majority of electoral votes, I would have no problem with that. It's a fact. As a matter of fact, I encourage you to make your own posts in order to possibly get support from like-minded people. As for me, if you must play with madding facts to make your point, I won't participate.
The only thing wrong with Medicare in Australia is that it doesn't cover physio and dental. Yes, you wait for somethings because those who need attention most go first, as for not having a personal relationship with your doctor, BS, if you go to a private practice you pick your doctor and make an appointment, some doctors bulk bill, some require you to pay some on top but you know in advance and you pick which one you want, but everybody gets treated. You go to a public hospital in emergency you get the best care then and there and it costs you nothing.
Why wouldn't you want that for everyone?
Kimba
Level 7
Feb 5, 2018
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@EllenDale Not to get off topic, but, I still love Gilda Radner, she went way too soon, as did Belushi (& SO many others). Sorry, back to our regularly scheduled program!
I would trust Reuters long before Fox News .
The basics to all this , is that there are more than working models , but success stories from different nations that have done so for generations .
If it can work for them , it should be able to work for anyone else .
We should not be an exception .
Dougy
Level 7
Feb 5, 2018
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I live in England and we have the NHS National Health Service and it's bloody brilliant ! At this time it is under a lot of pressure but it has never let my family or me down so far,The NHS is funded mainly from general taxation and National Insurance contributions.I think one of the reason we attract a lot migrants is because of our Health service nobody is turned away ,so you can't blame them for wanting to come here,however it does put a massive strain on the service, some would argue differently but overall despite so called under-funding it works reasonable well....
Wolfbat
Level 6
Feb 5, 2018
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@Vic47 im so happy for you! I lost mine to cancer too. When she went to the doctor he sat and looKed at her and said she had nothing wrong with her while her chest tumor emitted a hormone that swelled her to the point her 50-year-old face had no wrinkles showing! Two years later, later it had metastasized, and it was too late for her. We need more competition in healthcare so we have safe choices!
Trump is a complete twat? On a separate note - your link isn't working.
jeffy
Level 7
Feb 5, 2018
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@Jeff TWAT or TWIT? Although, he doesn't seem to possess the genetic fortitude to make his own decisions.
Thanks for the heads up. I've reposted the Reuters link and @evidentialist posted one, too.
Jeff, & Ellen, I'm pretty sure he meant twat, but I wonder after I saw this placard at the Women's March just passed,..."I'd call Trump a cu*t, but he lacks depth & warmth."
Trump blasts universal health care systems because they work in the interest of patients instead of the interests of profit.
snytiger6
Level 9
Feb 5, 2018
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@KKGator one of the largest greedy businesses is rx and health facilities. It bothers me that every time someone with compassion mentions universal healthcare, the fake-mongers shout, "socialism!" in order to ridicule or frighten citizens away. I can't believe the number who believe Bernie Sanders is a socialist ( and he may well be but its more likely he holds some11 socialist ideations) who can't wait to turn our country into a fascist state. SMDH.
Socialism is a red herring. Public libraries are a form of socialism. Volunteer fire departments. & yes, Social Security & universal healthcare. For a "more perfect union" we need a balance of whatever works & is best for its citizens. Do we need to set things up so that things are paid for on time? Yes, of course, but that can & has been done in other places.
Link not working. Here's one that works:
evidentialist
Level 8
Feb 5, 2018
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@evidentialist Thanks for having my back, so to speak. What's your personal opinion? We haven't heard it yet.
@EllenDale -- Der Trumpenfuhrer is an interesting personality study. He is a man who navigates his world with a finger in the wind and his ass in everyone's face. What I mean by that is that his overall picture of the world is guided by which way the wind appears to be blowing at any particular time and his backside is always turned downwind.
So, specifically in regard to healthcare issues the current wind is being generated by the conservative right wing evangelical Repugnicans whose agendas are in a favorable position politically now. Add to that his desire to be admired by anyone and his inability to accept anything anyone else may have done that gained some admiration/success that might keep the spotlight off him and we get this.
Anything his predecessor has done (Obama) that seems to have worked even partly is to be knocked down, whatever the cost. One of the main ones is the healthcare issue that has been under fire from the right all along. Likewise, anything that appears to lend credence to that is to be demonized regardless of its merits. His recent tweet denouncing the UK's system, aided by the troubles they've been having, was almost predictable. If there hadn't been any problems it is doubtful he would have said anything about it and he would have stuck to his generalized demeaning of anything smacking of socialized government.
I see his approach to government less as governing and more as branding. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't propose renaming the United States of America to the United States of Trump or even Trumplandia. That was snide and tongue-in-cheek, but I think you get the idea. The best we can hope for is a change in wind direction that would certainly be accompanied by him changing his direction. The man is mentally ill. I'm not a mental healthcare professional, so I can get away with that as a layman's opinion.
@evidentialist Thanks for the link & your comment. I agree.
Trump blasted it because he thinks doing so will resonate among his uneducated and ill-informed base who have falsely led to believe that any single payer health care system is bad. Also, by nature, Trump supports any profitable business, even if it soaks the consumer.
wordywalt
Level 9
Feb 5, 2018
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@EllenDale true statement... people already died... Young Female in Charlottesville NC.
After the superbowl... back to politics full steam ahead!!!!!
GipsyOfNewSpain
Level 9
Feb 5, 2018
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@GipsyOfNewSpain Full steam ahead and one of my one-time favorites,
@EllenDale You made me cry the day after the super bowl!!!!
My alma mater!!! (so to speak!)
@phxbillcee I loved every minute on my Navy. Despite the lack of sleep... the wasted saturdays at sea floating on the middle of nowhere... does not matter, showed me the World.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a damned travesty that the US doesn't have universal healthcare for all citizens. I think the biggest reason for that is abject greed. Big Pharma, the insurance corporations, and hospital corporations, are far more concerned with profits than the actual health of people. The Scandanavian model has been working for decades. It's ridiculous that we aren't doing the same.
KKGator
Level 9
Feb 5, 2018
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@KKGator one of the largest greedy businesses is rx and health facilities. It bothers me that every time someone with compassion mentions universal healthcare, the fake-mongers shout, "socialism!" in order to ridicule or frighten citizens away. I can't believe the number who believe Bernie Sanders is a socialist ( and he may well be but its more likely he holds some11 socialist ideations) who can't wait to turn our country into a fascist state. SMDH.
@EllenDale There is a really big difference between Socialism & Fascism . Fascism is only sought out by those who have not experienced it , & are fed pipe-dreams about how it would be this patriotic eutopia . Anyone vying for fascism needs to be reminded of the downfalls of North Korea . If thats what they want , there is where they need to go !
yep, I grew up with government health care.
Socialism is a red herring. Public libraries are a form of socialism. Volunteer fire departments. & yes, Social Security & universal healthcare. For a "more perfect union" we need a balance of whatever works & is best for its citizens. Do we need to set things up so that things are paid for on time? Yes, of course, but that can & has been done in other places.
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