I hate what religion does to people. God is believed to be real and the script placed in the Bible and the laws given by this mythical deity is the thing I hate.
What do you hate?
The brainwashing and control religion puts on ppl to make them conform... it's oppressive and abusive, and countermands free will.... but then I'm a Socialist, so to me, religion is poison...exercising free will is not... imho
Socialism in most of the world has lead to autocratic rule. Hope you don't place too much emphasis on "free will." Also, do you realize that the University of Virginia Medical School validated 2500 three year old children's past life recall? It validates that we have souls that survive death to live on in other multiple lives? If so, how can there be no god?
I lived through youth questioning the the dogmatic incongruencies such as Jesus being a god of love, but then when "all come before his seat of judgment" and he would cast most into hell... I became agnostic, but then learned Feb 2017, the empirical evidence from the University of Virginia Medical School proof positive that many three year old children have corroborated past life recall. Their 50 year research validating the past life recall of 2500 three year olds, makes apparent, that our "minds," "consciousness," or (god forbid), "souls" survive death, to live other lives... If so, there would have to be a creator, to create and manage that matrix. Please read the short introductory synopsis of the UVA study...and let's opine...(Please, ONLY interested to hear civil responses from those who actually read the intro... 2017 Life After Death Empirical Evidence by Univ.of Va. Medical School - [wherenowstpaul.com] Hit the UVA Panel picture
What!?
@micktoz I offered you a link to a one page introduction to this 50 year academic research by an esteemed medical school verifying past life recall. Your off point rebuttal confirms that you didn't read the introduction.
Why won't you read it? The answer is... that you're afraid it might up end your life time crusade for atheism. Your response was just blind defiance...a weak defense mechanism you're hoping will shield you from actually having to be objective about this new academic revelation.
Otherwise, you'd read it and make an intelligent, ON POINT rebuttal on the actual material I've presented. www.wherenowstpaul.com
@micktoz, @MichaelSpinler I offered you a link to a one page introduction to this 50 year academic research by an esteemed medical school verifying past life recall. Your off point rebuttal confirms that you didn't read the introduction.
Why won't you read it? The answer is... that you're afraid it might up end your life time crusade for atheism. Your response was just blind defiance...a weak defense mechanism you're hoping will shield you from actually having to be objective about this new academic revelation.
Otherwise, you'd read it and make an intelligent, ON POINT rebuttal on the actual material I've presented. www.wherenowstpaul.com
in context with religion i hate the fact that to this day & age the law is still incapable to prosecute just like any other mortal pedophile the perverted priests who used (& still use) to traumatize tens of thousands of young people (children!!!) worldwide by sexually abusing them. my outrage knows no boundaries.
I hate that morality has been hijacked by religion. There are people that believe that morality cannot exist without a god to punish and reward us like children, people who believe that there is nothing to say against killing, raping, and any other kind of horrible activity you may wish without belief in god [meanwhile they ignore how much of that is permitted in their own religious texts], and people who believe that blindly following the orders of their god is the most morally right thing to do -even if their god is asking them to commit genocide, torture humans and animals alike, or even kill their own family members. All of this is extremely disturbing from an outside point of view, and even more disturbing when one notes that the religious are often only too pleased to admit and embrace these things. These are people who decry slavery, killing, torture along with most people now, but seem both to believe that the nonreligious have no grounds to do this and that, if their god told them to do it, they would and should be the ones carrying out these same horrible actions. They practice mostly godless morality, and yet claim that it is their belief in God which makes them good. I forget who said it, but it rings quite true for me the statement that bad people will do bad either way, but religion is one of the few ways to get good people to do very bad things.
I hate that this supposedly all powerful, all knowing, all loving god is praised so much whilst either failing so badly or purposely torturing so many in so many terrible ways. I hate that criticizing God's actions is discouraged. I hate that he gets automatic credit for anything good that happens to anyone anywhere, no matter how much human effort is used, but never gets the blame for all of the bad things happening everywhere. Theists say suffering springs from free will, but they have no good answers to many of these things. Babies are born with horrible defects that cause them to live only short, horribly painful lives... But yet god is praised that they lived at all. Children get cancer and die every day... And yet god is praised that some were saved through the wonders of medical technology. Good people die in countless terrible ways, while bad people live to die peacefully in old age. Countless organisms exist for the sole purpose of infecting us and other living things and making their lives miserable. Why? And why, then, do we always praise God for everything and never criticize his many negative decisions or mistakes? It doesn't take long looking at this world, or even a single individual of most any species on it, to conclude that God -were he real- was far from the best designer. In fact, I'd go so far to say that most people would make better gods than any currently in control of our universe -let alone the creatures mentioned in holy books.
He also apparently punishes people for his own mistakes made when creating them -that whole, created sick and demanded to be well thing. That's not okay, and those with these beliefs seem to take way too much pleasure in the thought that a majority of other humans will be tortured for eternity for petty crimes or simply believing in the wrong god, while in some systems even those who are terrible people but believe in the correct god get rewarded. Bonus points if they are terrible in the name of their god, which I would personally think deserves even more severe torture if anything does for the crime of representing the faith in such a negative light.
I hate that science and medicine have been held back by those following these beliefs. Medical advances are held back because they go against this or that belief -stem cell research, for example. They not only attack science when it brings a conclusion contradicting what they wish to believe, but also actively prevent it being taught in schools. They want a monopoly on minds -especially the minds of children- and that is something that I find unacceptable.
I hate that I and others could be judged and penalized for our non-belief. It's not so bad as it once was, we're unlikely to be killed or tortured for our lack of belief, but still I've known people to lose their jobs or fear losing their jobs were their beliefs known, to be disowned by their families and friends, to be barred from seeing their children.. All this, and we non-believers are instructed to not be mean, to respect others' beliefs, and the like when we so much as criticize religious beliefs. How are we the mean ones, when historically speaking we're doing pretty good if we just lose a job or relationship rather than our lives when our views become known?
Religion has a long past of causing blind hate for people completely based on small aspects of their being, whether that be non belief, different belief, or different life style choices. It's bad enough when it affects complete strangers, but it is at its worst when it affects family members. Few other things can cause parents and families to disown and abandon their own children in the way religion can.
I also hate that believers seem so happy and eager about death and even the death of everyone. It makes for very disturbing funerals, where people are seemingly sad about the death of a loved one, but then go about singing songs about how happy they are that they too will be dying in a relatively short period of time. Most religions seem to be waiting eagerly for some sort of apocalypse, and many miss out on large parts of life since they do not value this life -they're waiting for the after life to live, when the likely case is that they will not be getting what they expect at all.
There's probably more, but that's what I can think of now. That said, religions are very interesting to study and I'd probably like them a great deal if they were just stories like any other fiction. All these problems arise only when they are widely believed to be factual, and are worsened when people willfully ignore or attack evidence to the contrary.
But what is the point of hatred? It often hurts the giver more than the receiver (as in this case) and always both parties can end up worse off unless one is strong.
Religion is an evil....and it is difficult for me to hate or blame followers.... just as I have a hard time hateing or blaming the followers of Trump......I do however, blame and hate the people that I believe know better, that have studied the history and know what religions do to people and continue to preach, or, like the congress that continues to support the powerfully rich through Trump, though they know its wrong.
Hate is indeed a strong word! I dislike the concept of God, all gods. I dislike the pushers and pimps, the pulpit whores, who try to sell the concept. I look upon the sheepfold of believers with an admixture of pity and contempt. And I relish the fact that the Genome Project is seriously undermining theist religious pretensions.
Hate is too strong a word for what I feel about the affect of religion. I am baffled by their belief, and I am confused about their certainty.
I've been agnostic, but have respected Einstein's wisdom...He felt belief in god was a "childish one," but that atheism was irrational because no one could disprove the existence of god, so he said we "could call (him) an agnostic," for we should be humbly objective to the UNLIKELY possibility that some phenomenon might prove otherwise in the future.
I believe I stumbled on that "unlikely phenomenon" last year...
The University of Virginia Medical School just finished a fifty year study of 2500 three year old children's past life recall... Corroborating 18,000 elements of their testimony, UVA has confirmed reincarnation. This is antithetical to Christianity, but lots to consider here! Ergo, there would have to be some sort of creator whom created a "consciousness," "mind" or, god forbid, a "soul" that survives death to have multiple lives and whom would have created the transfer matrix.
It takes a lot of guts for committed atheists and agnostics to look at this work, but for those who are truly objective, you really need to look at the attached short introduction. Would be interested to hear any intelligent, CIVIL responses.
Truly, Brad O'Donnell
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I don't particularly like it either, but I try to stay neutral and not judge it. It frees me of hate. When one hates it gives them the sense that the other person is wrong believing in Bible which makes one right, the hater. It's a vicious cycle. In reality, no one knows, we can either believe in God or don't believe, one of us may be right. I have another issue when people count their blessings and feel blessed or cursed like it's God's doing. I really do not believe that, if in fact, God exists, he has anything to do with the world. There is no interaction between the man in the sky and the world. I don't believe that anyone knows what the function of the world is, even believing in science and medicine; while I believe in science, I see limitations. Whichever way you look around, there are limitations and impermanence, this is the root of the world, so I won't argue with anyone. I think if you are certain of your convictions, you would move on and not hate. It's human nature to be in conflict, and project; in reality, it has nothing to do with what religion does to people. The world is pretty much crazy, if it's not this, we will pick something else to be upset about. It is designed to create conflict. It's our psychological makeup.
To answer your question: what do I 'hate' the most- I find anyone who is fanatical about their beliefs - a fervent believer of the Bible or convinced fanatical atheists, I find them both equally insane. You can't possibly know one way or the other, but you can only perceive, and that is where it ends. Why do we get so worked up about people's beliefs?
I understand what you are saying and I take no offense. Unfortunately I am the type of person you hate. I don't claim to know if "a" God exists, but I do claim with maximal certainty that none of the Abrahamic God's exist. I don't judge people who do believe but for myself if asked, I'll say there is no biblical God and I have no doubts about that claim.
@paul1967 you assumed that. I put 'hate' in the bracket, because that is the question you asked, and it's the best I could answer. I don't 'hate', but I think anyone obsessing one way or another and is disturbed by other people's beliefs - this raises my brows. There are fanatics out there, let's not be surprised. I have no expectations, but just look around the world and today's news, all the crazy ones are coming out of the woodworks, - white nationalists is the example, some have very strong religious motivations. Religion is like a political party. These folks have always blended into our society, they are part of humanity, it's just what it is. I have no idea what this world is for.
It is not useful to hate.
I lived through youth questioning the the dogmatic incongruencies such as Jesus being a god of love, but then when "all come before his seat of judgment" and he would cast most into hell... I became agnostic, but then learned Feb 2017, the empirical evidence from the University of Virginia Medical School proof positive that many three year old children have corroborated past life recall. Their 50 year research validating the past life recall of 2500 three year olds, makes apparent, that our "minds," "consciousness," or (god forbid), "souls" survive death, to live other lives... If so, there would have to be a creator, to create and manage that matrix. Please read the short introductory synopsis of the UVA study...and let's opine...(Please, ONLY interested to hear civil responses from those who actually read the intro... 2017 Life After Death Empirical Evidence by Univ.of Va. Medical School - [wherenowstpaul.com] Hit the UVA Panel picture
sorry, what is a UVA Panel picture? I can't find the study. Is the study written about in a medical journal somewhere?
Grecio...address not transmitting..working on it... [wherenowstpaul.com]
Grecio... If hyper address won't work for you, copy and paste this to your address bar; < wherenowstpaul.com > Read that intro page, the Hit on the UVA faculty picture to read the first one page case study synopsis. Let me know if that doesn't work. Brad
I do not hate gods. I find that as you stated religions are the problem. The propagation of a false narrative by peoples in power to get the masses under control is what the whole establishment is about. The basis for most religions are traced back suma and the cuneiform tablets and the account of Anunnaki. While dismissive mainstream science brushes these accounts as myths they have not answered how any of these accounts describe the planets and solar system in detail and the concept of genetic engineering while all these terms should have been completely unknown and the technology to know of the solar system should of not existed. But alas the monotheistic religions have culminated into a massive control mechanism used to divide and conquer the human race.
Can't think of anything. Religion and politics are too puerile to get bothered about. I really, really, dislike that my soccer team Southampton are playing like complete arses this season and are in a relegation tussle! That's about the closest I think! (and that's not puerile!)