Do you want to influence more people to move away from religion? We are not going to accomplish that (1) by proselytizing as we have no dogma to sell, (2) insulting people or putting them down, (3)associating ourselves primarily with like-thinking fellow atheists and agnostics, or (40 trying to form an atheist/agnostic power bloc. We will never influence religious "true believers." If we want to reach others, we must reach them by modeling -- showing people by our own behavior that our way of dealing with the world is intelligent, caring, empathetic, always treating with full dignity and respect and by showing them that our way makes sense and has positive results.
I have zero desire to overtly influence another’s spiritual path beyond living my own truth and keeping my own house in order. Every path is like a fingerprint, individual/personal. I’m happy to share my path if asked and offer suggestions ultimately your right, Living by example I find more useful in the long run for all parties to grow. Being argumentative or speaking with contention is a big step BACK and my focus is forward.
I agree with your "living my own truth and keeping my own house in order."
I am also for showint religious people how the stories of their religion originated with older religions, how their scriptures are factually incorrect and dont' match up with archeological or actual historical records. We have documentation to back up our beliefs,but they don't. I am not saying to present this in argument, but as just a reason why we can't believe what they do , when they try to "convert" us.
That is very true. As the saying goes.. practice what you preach. Not many do. When debating about the subject, I let them know why I feel the way I do and how religion isn't needed in my life. I have set good morals and values without dogma, and it's been working quite well for me. I also have noticed that non theists are not so quickly to judge like most theists are due to basing their assumptions from the bible or what they think is right according to what their so called god wants. Treat others as you want to be treated .. its called common sense and common courtesy.
Debate, sarcasm, bullying shuts people up. It doesn't encourage discussion that leads to change. Action speaks louder than words. Walk the walk. I'm not discounting the passionate aggressive approach by some on this website but for me I am not encouraged nor do I feel like I belong. I will not be bullied so I am still here.
Great question and well thought out possible actions.
I do want to influence people to move away from religion. I am an anti-theist at some level. I believe religion and the belief in some deity is harmful to the individual and to society. That said, I don't want to be confrontational because I know that will just anger people and make them defensive and cause them to argue their case. I will ask them questions about their faith and why they believe as they do. I may explain my beliefs and why I believe as I do but I don't try to push my ideas on anyone. No one eschews thousands of years of faithful believers over night. It takes times. Ideas have to pickle and chances are the person will never change their views.
However, I will fight to the death to defend the separation of church and state. No one and no one religion should ever have the ability or the power to dictate/legislate to our nation's citizenry their own religious beliefs.
I agree with you that it is far better to role model what an atheist believes and that we can and do walk the talk. That's why I embrace being a Humanist. I tell people about the good works our group does; our community service activities; our education efforts that are free and available to the community. We encourage one and all to join us for those activities. We don't preach. We offer another way of looking at things and we show people by our work that we are not evil people as many have been lead to believe. It is very important for us to "out" to the community as we do our community service. We make sure that we notify the press; we share our activities on our Facebook page and on our website; we have a weekly radio show and will soon have a monthly call in TV show. It all helps. In fact, we have a Christian woman who follows us on our Facebook page. She wants to learn about us though she has no intention of quitting her faith. She asks questions; she comments with praise for our community service work and I am certain that when asked she will tell her friends that we are decent people. It's a start and I feel really good about that. Love is the answer--always.
I totally agree that we must have tOTAL separation of church and state. The comingling of politics and religion debases both and threatens our democracy!
Thank you for your comments. You have said a lot of wise things here. Three things I agree with most on: 1) taking a more moderate approach. Attacking, mocking and shaming will only make people take defensive stance or shut them up (as SamL pointed out). 2) the importance of separation of church and state. This is not something I paid much attention to before but after reading your comments I went back to my profile to check the terms again and added "secularist" to describe myself. 3) Love is the answer always. A person who showcases love, kindness and compasssion gains most of my trust and respect. I remember when I first met some christians in my mid-twenties, I started going to church with them because they were kind and caring which made me want to learn about their belief systems (I know lots of the members here had negative experiences with Christians but I come from a different background). Later I decided not to pursue Christianity after convincing myself that it could not answer my questions and organized worship practices were not my cup of tea. I hope your organization can reach out to more people and influence them away from religion. Best wishes
I agree with you pretty much across the board, with the same caveat that Tsjames raised about point (3). This is indeed a place where the more isolated members of our community should feel free to vent and grouse about the Christian bigotry and discrimination that they face every day, particularly in the Bible Belt. That said, you're absolutely right that the only way to increase our numbers is by modeling kindness, fairness, intelligence, and respect towards all.