Then you have a film like " The Searchers " Admittedly not very complimentary to the native americans but showing Wayne to be as bad. The war had changed Ford and it shows in this film that he`s not the same guy that directed " Stagecoach " .

So was Boggie and Bacall.

@273kelvin Uh Yeah! And I've got "Do not forsake me, oh my darlin'" stuck in my head.

@phil21 This clip from 1969 might get the tune out but.... Oh and yes that is Roman Polanski

Pondering on this one. It is the defining western in regards as how to the United States viewed the settling of the West. Hollywood had a terrible tradition of white North American =good; ever thing else -- asian, black, jew, native american, European with accents = bad. White hats, clean shaven is good, black hat, whiskers are bad.

@phil21 Still white hats. black hats. Now goodies have designer stubble, good teeth, casual clothing and no body hair. Baddies now smoke, mostly played by brits and are well dressed. There will be a crusty but benign overseer who will be played by Morgan Freeman.

I call it a defining western because it is a lie. It knows it`s a lie and says so. As is most of the western myth.

@273kelvin I think that is why Ford filmed in B&W. He knew he was pulling back the curtain on a reality that never existed and wanted to give it an "old" feel.

@phil21 B&W mainlines into subconsciousness.

@phil21 I recommend " 5 came back " on netflix

@phil21 If you just go with the good guys bad guys I LOVE the modern western 'Silverado" and the music is great.

@silverotter11 Saw it once, years ago. I remember liking it.

@silverotter11 Best baddie has got to be Jack Palance in shane. He looked like he was the model for Skeletor.