Stating facts doesn't make it right(not aimed at you) Nobody should be able to modify their job description to fit religious beliefs.

@MikeFlora And I don't disagree with you, either ... it's just that we have a tremendous amount of precedent, history and 'tradition' to overcome if, in fact, we are to change labor laws, if not majority opinion.

@pnullifidian I don't have a problem with religious holidays. It's refusing to do a part of your job you knew about when you took the job that pisses me off.

Not if it affects their job performance. Like the woman in Kent. that wouldn't give same sex marriage licenses. There was one deal a baker would not make a cake for same sex weddings. If your religious beliefs interfere with your job description go do something else

That Kim Davis lady in kent. it wasn't just her job. it was the law and she still tried not to do it.

@MikeFlora And last I heard, she was in Europe promoting family values for some religious organization.

I would've reported her. That's part of her job description; if she refuses to do a task on her job, she should be fired.

The bible-pushing argument is flawed, because the person was not required to do that when they took the job. As far as philosophy is concerned, I agree, BUT if your philosophy causes you to not do part of your job, don't take the job in the first place. If you agree to do a job, you should be required to do all of it.

@marga However, rarely does someones philosophy get in the way of their ability to perform their job. Maybe it can effect how the job is done, like, let's say you have to pray 5 times a day, you might be do things differently, but I think doing things differently is fine if the result is the same. And no, the bible pushing wasn't flawed. In one of the few wage slave jobs I had, I had to sell a product that was completely fubar. It was not the job I signed up for. I was morally opposed to selling a faulty item. So my job changed. So if you work in a product sales position, you may wind up pushing bibles. Oh man, I just remembered that a bro of mine had to hawk scientology books way back. He started out selling something innocuous, like some cook book or something, and wound up peddling Xenu...I used to have a ton of those books in my collection...good times, good times...oh, you might want to explain how a philosophy makes you not do your a part of your job (besides, perhaps a pork tester if you are muslim, and obvious things like that).

@JohnnyThorazine If your job changed, then the point is moot. What I'm saying is that if you sign up to do a certain job and you object to parts of that job, then you should not take it. If you still take it, knowing there are parts of it that you object to, then you have not acted in good faith.

@marga but the job didn't change, just the product the job was moving changed. So, no, not moot. But we'll go with your last one. So, you are referring to a muslim signing up for pork flavor testing type of thing? Because I was pretty sure you probably meant that people ask for religious time off. See, what is happening, is the world is going global and people of multiple faiths are gonna be working side by side (if only figuratively, as to my point earlier of remote working will be more common, and a lot of manual labor will by mechanized). That is the 21st century.

@JohnnyThorazine Okay, I think we're talking at cross purposes here, so I'll just let this conversation end....

One of many, and not just christians.