The argument for sensible gun regulation (no one is trying to "Take away" legally obtained guns from responsible owners) is that thousands of people die from murder, suicide and accidents with guns. Can you look at a picture of the children killed at Sandy Hook and say that's just fine?

Wait to me "Gun Control" means keeping them out of the hands of folks who can't be responsible with them? (Also see "Storing your firearms so no one else can access them" ).

Think how stupid the average person is. Then remember roughly half of the people in the US or even more stupid than that person. Should they have access to a gun?

I'm just going to answer all of these at once. The second amendment illustrates my and other American citizens rights to own arms. Innocent until proven guilty is the foundation of our justice system. If your defense gun is locked away, you're probably going to die. Stupid or not that doesn't negate their right to self preservation.

@jayneonacobb I'm fine with a weapon under a person's control. Not with firearms being left hanging around. Oh a reasonable person's control - seems we have to say that.

@RobH86 I do forget you can't fix stupid. But handgun courses are pretty straightforward? I guess if you can't pass the written test - you don't get access. - And boy there should be a psych test too.

@jayneonacobb How about the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? the right to life (My child not becoming a victim of some yahoo who happens to have a gun) supersedes the right for everyone to have a gun regardless of whether or not they know how to use or store it safely, are old enough to drink a beer, have abused a spouse, have a mental condition, or would be able to pass a background check.

@RavenCT my guns, and those of all responsible gun owners are under their control, within reason, all the time. My guns are locked up separated from the ammo, which is also locked up with the accepting of my carry pistol and hidden rifle. Which are either always on me or in a place that is inaccessible by anyone else.

All states require background checks to attain a concealed carry permit/warrant. That has never stopped a criminal from carrying a weapon.

@RavenCT that's controlling my guns, not gun control legislation. Nice try

Your arguments are unsound and because of that every mass shooting with assault weapons is partly your fault. Go tell the parents in Fla. that your right to own assault weapons is more important than their children.
This is my group and you are welcome to debate here as much as you like, just keep it civil that is all I ask.

@TerriCity I don't see the right to personal safety written there. I do see a right to self defense in the second amendment.

@jayneonacobb You are making a great case of all the counter arguments that have been used to keep the numbers of people killed in this country so high , in contrast with any other country that is not in the third world. The NRA has you well trained.

@TerriCity no, it doesn't. Your child has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as well as the right to defend their self with modern weapons.

@MikeFlora The shooting in Florida was unfortunate but why should we strip everyone of their right to own guns because of a few idiots. Mass shooting are well publicized especially by the liberal media but no one ever mentions the fact that your chances of being struck by lightning are higher than being shot by a mass shooter.

@MikeFlora Have you ever considered the fact that the gun control nuts will never be satisfied until they get rid of all the guns and completely strip us of our 2nd amendment rights. Hell 4 liberal judges on the Supreme Court think it’s ok for a city to have laws against you even having a gun in your own home. If that’s not in flagrant violation of the 2nd amendment I don’t know what is!

@jayneonacobb You do realize the second amendment was written in a time with muskets?

@RavenCT do you realize that the people who wrote the bill of rights were well aware that weapons technology advances?I they also had explosives, cannons, and a myriad of other weapons. Including a working fully automatic platform?

@jayneonacobb Sorry your logic isn't working for me. They could not imagine auto fire guns like we have now. - I lived through Nuclear Escalation and have no desire to do so with any other weapon ever again. - Also when something isn't working you fix it!

@RavenCT
the national guard is not a militia, my E-6 friend will attest to that. They are an auxiliary force scantioned and encompassed by the US army. He is not a full fledged citizen because of it. One of my roommates was in the air reserves as an E-5. He's out and working in the private sector as an airplane mechanic. He still doesn't have the right to sue the government for damages he suffered while in the military. That means he is also not a full citizen because his right to sue the government has been perminantly revoked.

The definition of a militia is an armed citizenry. Those soldiers, good friends of mine, will never again have full fledged citizen because of their service to you and your rights. They are eligible for a militia, but prior service is not required. Technically, by old laws that still exist every person eligeable for the draft or voluntary service is a member of the militia. Thusly granting them, the people, access to arms. Arms means all weapons and armaments.

The founding fathers knew weapons technology would advance. They heard of mythical weapons of immense power from religion and other fiction. They could easily comprehend wielding the power of 1000 Sun's.

The bill of rights was established expressly to limit government. You can not remove an amendment unless it conflicts with a pre-existing one. As was the case with the 21st and 18TH amendments.

The bill of rights aknowldeges certain human rights. It does not grant them. A right is an inalienable and unabridgable need of a person.

Enough yet? Yes, but your solution has failed at every avenue it's time to get a better approach.

Read your post, and I see you are passionate about this. Sounds like there are some serious issue in your society, but at the risk of upsetting you, I must say you have not convinced me that guns are the answer.

But is that a good thing and why. You do have a lot of gun crime over there.

not at my house, any shooting here I shoot back.