@William_Mary We have no problem calling someone a genius. Both are a matter of intelligence. What it is is what it is.

Yes, that argument works for pretty much all laws. So therefore, all laws should be abolished because criminals will simply ignore or circumvent laws. That's really smart, right? Criminals will murder people, so lets just get rid of murder laws. Makes perfects sense. Right?

@Charles1971 I assume you're referring to the meme. And absolutely you're correct. And there's a pretty good argument in opposition to many laws for that very reason. It's probably a separate discussion entirely. It becomes a question of who ever agreed to live under the authority of another human being? Do laws actually stop people from committing crimes? I always found it pretty interesting. Even the constitution is based on the assumption that the general population is compliant to a self appointed "authority".

@Taijiguy Yes, I believe that some laws do prevent crimes because people don't want to be fined or imprisoned. Other laws are in place to punish those who break the laws or make it more difficult to commit crimes. So, getting rid of laws would be harmful. Simply making a law saying that people can't have guns isn't enough at all. Making it harder to acquire and carry the guns is needed rather than laws that make it easier to get guns and allowing people to walk down the streets toting guns. Since doing nothing whatsoever isn't helping with our epidemic of mass shootings, maybe doing something, anything, is worth a shot. Doing something might actually save a few kids from being riddled with bullets in a school playground. Doing nothing certainly won't.

Welcome to the USA, which incidentally, isn't Awwwwwstraleeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhh. Goddamn these one dimensional comparisons are just the dumbest argument.

no there not as it is as simple as that. beats the fuck out of any argument for keeping guns. you should become religious as your unchangeable in the very same way.

@Taijiguy yea, you're the only bright penny on the site huh. You're rude as fuck. Get over yourself and learn how to control yourself to a means of debating and discussing issues in a civilized manor. Or do us all a favor and keep it on facebook. And good luck meeting any women with a character like yours.

Brilliant. Let's put guns only in the hands of a small group who represent the whim and the will of the most elite of the country. What could possibly go wrong?

@Taijiguy Isn't that what you got now? What is the point of saying you own guns. And then complaint about the "whim" and the "elite". Do you think you scare them with your guns? You don't even scare criminals with a knife. You can talk 2nd amendment all you want. Here is the result "Saint Valentine Day Massacre" 17 Death. Go ahead keep whining and complaining about the "elite" and the "whim" while your hold dearly to your guns.

@GipsyOfNewSpain Actually, I can prove that your statement is false: All of these mass shootings have taken place within gun free zones. That doesn't mean some haven't tried in ares where concealed carry is allowed, but they typically end up in a body bag with few or no other casualties. And if you think the elite don't recognize the risk in having an armed population, you don't have to look back very far in history to see that pretty much every dictator in history started by disarming his population. The "elite" didn't become "the elite" by being stupid.

@Taijiguy Mr Ignoramus. You can not prove me that every massacre happened in a gun free zone. I just gonna have to ignore you again. Not the first time... but nice bandana!!! ...and your dog dressed up with a human shirt was a nice touch. Cool.

@GipsyOfNewSpain ah. Ad hominem.quell surprise.

@Taijiguy *quelle

I guess you didn't take any time to watch my video from Underworld Inc. You're worried about a majority of law abiding citizens over a majority of the real problem. You're covering issues that have been thrown at politicians for years that hit a brick wall and fall to hell. If you want to see your ideas brought to fruit, help people like me bring in the Green Party and kill the 2 party establishment and the deep state that owns them.

@William_Mary And we in Australia heard all the same arguments. And yes our crims still have guns and still shoot people. But gun deaths are WAY down. Accidental shootings since gun control came in can be counted on the thumbs of one foot. Gun homicides are rare and massacres almost non existent. This despite the fact that we have a gun ownership rate of 24 per person. Not exactly a disarmed country. The crims with guns keep a very low profile precisely because ghost guns are hard to get hold of and highly valued. You use them for special occasions. This is because gun ownership is tightly controlled. Law enforcement no longer has no-go zones because our cities are no longer armed to the teeth. You start the process and it becomes self reinforcing.

@RobAnybody I'm glad it's working for you over there.

@William_Mary "deep state" - lol.

@AtheistInNC laugh all you want. Feel free to remain blind as many are waking up to the truth. Your grand children will be the one's effected by the blissful ignorance's of allowing to let these people to go continually unchecked. As funny as you might view me, then I find you sad.

@William_Mary No, I didn't watch all the video. Anyone with a camera can make their own "documentary " now, so I believe your video as much as I believe in UFOs and the "deep state". Hogwash.

@AtheistInNC then I look forward to you avoiding my post from now on. You rude closed minded bitch.

You need to join my group, Gun Control Now

For the most part, I like your reply. Other than it seems to be directed at me!?! I'm pretty sure none of my post is a call for taking anyone's guns away. If so, feel free to direct me to that part so I can reword or change it. I'm a gun owner with a CCW as is Mary. I don't plan on going quietly if I or we find ourselves in a situation to which is slowly taking over our society.

@William_Mary Sorry I lost my cool but at the start of your post you mention it would be hard to take all the guns away - I did not get past that. I own guns too but I don't have a ccw or anything and all I have are bolt action hunting rifles (a .22 and a .308 ). I see "take guns away" and I lose it sometimes because no sane person ever says that and means it. It's like people are talking two different languages.
In general nothing I said was aimed precisely at you but at the whole 'no gun control' faction as a whole.

ummm, they have terrorist attacks. Those aren't mass killings?

@William_Mary Sure they have terrorist attacks. So do we in the U.S. but the number of people senselessly murdered by guns is a tiny fraction of what it is in the U.S.

In the U.S. there are mass shootings on a weekly basis and it gets worse every year. For years we've tried doing NOTHING and that isn't working. Thoughts and prayers haven't worked. Maybe trying SOMETHING to reduce the number of children riddled with bullets at public schools is better than doing nothing.

Australia and the UK tried SOMETHING and it actually helped. I guess they're smarter than we are or they simply care about human lives more than we do.

You need to join my group Gun Control Now

Yes, that is interesting. I agree with his opinion on assault rifles to a degree. I believe we surely need more background checks towards mental issues! I also believe if you're going to own an assault rifle that you should have to call your local authorities when ever you plan on taking it out of the house into public. Stating the reason. Another thing not being mentioned much is that a metal detector at that school, or any other, may very well have prevented that incident.

That is not true

I am a liberal. Your blanket generalization is untrue.

That would result in a civil war as most of the people I know own guns and they’re not about to give them up without a fight!

That depends on what you are using the guns for. Deer and bear hunting use a rifle, while rabbits and pheasants require a shot gun.

@CS60 yes but I've yet to hear anyone trying to confiscate hunting rifles. Most don't care if people hunt... it is the assault weapons

@CS60
If I wrote the rules to own any gun that you would take out off of your personal property on to the street you would have to belong to that organization. Like skeet shooters or bunny hunters etc. Sort of like a well regulated militia but a hunting club. Everyone would also have to have insurance for and be held personally liable for any lost or stolen guns or if they were used in any way other than it's intended use. Accidental deaths would be considered felonies and treated like involuntary murders. And all guns would be confiscated forever. Leave an unlocked gun in your house so the kids can get at it, confiscated.

@Trajan61 no it wouldn't you simply take them when an infraction becomes evident. One house at a time. Oh and your imaginary Patriots aren't as brave as you would like us to believe.

@43teach you have hunted wild pheasants? Why do you think they use shotguns for trap shooting? They are trying to replicate shooting birds rising and flying away. Although, I’ve had birds fly back at me more than once.

@anobene I agree with most of your statements. The only way you get a well regulated militia is thru the military. Gun clubs / ranges will not provide that level of discipline. Also, most trap & skeet shooters belong to a club or gun range. The “bunny hunters” belong in the playboy mansion.

@dbaecht
Like conservatives whittled away at civil rights I would suggest doing the same. Drunk driving proves you're not a responsible adult. Yoink! guns gone. Like that.

@CS60 belonging to a group of duck hunters or deer or moose leaves a paper trail if avoided can be used against you in a court of law to increase the penalty.

@43teach you never ever hunt anything flying with something other than a shotgun; shotguns have an effective range of less than a hundred yds . for the most part..
rifles can project a bullet well over a mile ;