And that is why we voters should do the work. If we don’t, the deplorables will win again.

And why is it that for the White House we don’t want someone with experience? Have we not had already enough proof that the guy seated in the Oval Office better be prepared and know what he/she is doing. The current bozo may not be faulted for his age but definitely for being a moron. Age should not a disqualifier; I would say au contrair.

@Rodatheist - I only view age as an issue, not an immediate reason for disqualification. But - at that age, I worry about energy for anybody. Biden even at the age he might be would be better by far that the current President, but that doesn't mean that I like the idea of somebody that old as President.

“Democrats haven't been any good at governance in a very long time and people are fed up with them, too” ???? What? Clinton presided over one of the best economic times of late, thanks in part to the tax increases enacted early in his presidency, and Obama brought us back from the edge of the precipice in 2008 and we are now enjoying the economic prosperity he left us and that bozo wants to get the credit for.
Perhaps the problem is that people just does not know how to judge/pick their candidates. I tend to think that people gives opinions like “they all are the same” or “they are fed up” because they have no idea or are lazy about learning about the candidates. The problem with that is that people en up getting the government they deserve. We deserve this ignorant narcissistic corrupt entertainer in the White House for not having done enough to elect the one we really needed.

@Rodatheist I agree with you as far as it goes, I'd take an elitist democrat over Trump any day of the week. I held my nose and voted for Hillary like a good boy, given the choices. But I saw Obama initially as a plodding, methodical, uncharismatic leader, and came toward the end to see him as disconnected and therefore ineffective -- and while a good visionary speaker, not really the sort of populist leader who could be a game changer. In other words, Democrats are preferable to me because we only inch our way toward the precipice, rather than roaring full speed ahead under Republicans.

The shameful way Sanders was treated during the primaries, the way the party has pretty much failed to internalize the hard lessons that should have been learned when Hillary crashed and burned, summarizes the problem to me. The party needs to reconnect with the poor, minorities, workers, the sick and stand for something other than politics as usual. If it can't see the need for that even in the midst of the Trumpocalypse, then I don't see how it can ever see it.

Democrats as a whole don't seem angry or even concerned that we alone in the West don't have universal health care for example, so they're never going to crusade for it. The need for it is acute enough that half-measures and incremental approaches won't cut it. That's true for health care, for the environment, for any number of things. There's no fire in the belly, there's just a thousand reasons why the status quo must be maintained and the boat not rocked, and why that's more important than real change. Trumpism just reflects a misguided and malignant recognition of these facts.

@SACatWalker you don't remember black Panthers standing out side of polls on election day blocking whites from voting? I do, and I'm not white by liberal definitions so don't try pulling the race card.

@VirginCotton I'm conservative, but I didn't vote for Trump. I support sensible legislation, and I think he has tried to pass some. I support him on those points, I dondon't t like all of his politics, but then again, I hate politicans. I'm glad that you don't buy into the liberal propaganda. It shows an actual ability to think rationally and objectively. I started a group here calked constervative atheists. I'd love to have you join.

@SACatWalker I didn't say fake news. I think all news is biasef, which is why I only get my news from sources I tend to disagree with. It seem the most fair way to approach the subject.

@VirginCotton key word in the group search conservativeatheist

@jayneonacobb. Wow! We live in two completely different worlds!! Two different realities. I might as well speak Chinese because I do not understand a thing of what you say. Can someone help me translating for me please? Is it worth it?

@Rodatheist apparently you aren't capable of comprehending anyone's position that isn't your own. That's sad.

so I have a DD-214, you'd vote for me?

@HippieChick58 Well... we need a woman president and after trump... even me will be a better choice. So I will vote for you... I am sure you will be an Upgrade to what we say we got now. Even if you got a general discharge, I will give you the benefit of a doubt because you will be running on a Hippie Platform. Yes, is my answer.

@GipsyOfNewSpain LOL!! Actually Bernie is pretty much The Hippie Platform. But thank you. I wouldn't run for president, too much indignity in the process.

@HippieChick58 You will always have my Vote. It is not for sale, it is yours.

@HippieChick58 And I approved that Message.

And do what with the Congress we have?

The U.S. Government is not but what we vote for, and it is also the product of the people that don’t vote.

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill.

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” “A Republic, if you can keep it ...”
George Washington.

So, perhaps instead of looking out of the window toward Washington DC and be disheartened, let’s all look at the mirror and have a conversation with the one that can really change things.

Politically, I am probably to the left of Sanders. I am not afraid of the “S” word. But Bernie knew he could not win. He was an opportunist populist that hurt our chances of having an effective and capable person in the White House and helped to bring about the embarrasing shameful, disgraceful, circus act we have right now.

+1

@marmot84 Trump?

Sanders couldn’t do zilch with the Congress we have right now. If Obama was able to save us from the deep poop in which we were is because for two years he had a Democratic Congress. We need a progressive president with a progressive Congress

Now you're talking

If age is all you see against him then he should run.

@Akfishlady I like Chelsea and there are a lot of others who like the Clintons. Based on what we are hearing now from Mueller's work, Trump & Pence were not legally elected.

@Akfishlady You will not get an argument from me. I do know that Bernie Sanders has brought a whole lot of people on board with his appearances and I am glad for it.
My real hope is that another unknown candidate, like Obama, will make the scene soon.

So, affordable or universal healthcare is old? LGBT rights is old? Higher minimum wage is old? Women’s reproductive rights is old? Effective gun control is old? Repair our infrastructure is old? Civil rights is old? Black lives matter is old? Immigration reform is old? Re-training of workers that have lost their jobs to the new economy is old? Effective re-distribution of wealth is old? Affordable housing is old? Support for education is old? So, what new ideas do you think the Democrats should come up with? Please don’t stop yourselves from being specific

@Rodatheist , well of course that is the issue. The leaders of the Democratic Party today have pretty much abandoned all those ideas and have opted for the "We're just like Republicans except we're sane" stance. They have forgotten the goals that got us where we were.