@paulfred34 So in what way is this not advocating the abolition of private property and paying each according to need rather than ability? It's communism without class warfare and using different words, but I don't see anything fundamentally new in its thinking.

You can eliminate money and banks only if you eliminate private property. You can eliminate law enforcement only by not having any laws, so maybe there's a dash of anarchy in there too. That technology is in the mix doesn't fundamentally change anything, although it makes it easier to control people and information and therefore power, which will inevitably concentrate at the top.

@paulfred34 I am a technologist -- a senior software architect / developer for over 30 years. So yeah I get technology. Not saying anything against it. Just that it doesn't somehow magically make bad ideas good ones, in fact it's a regular megaphone for ideas, good AND bad. As for having private property, I don't know how you would acquire property without buying and and how you'd buy it without money and how you'd have money without a bank. But that's just me, maybe.

@paulfred34 so if you live "in the community", are you free to have desires that are different than those of your peers? Can you choose your profession freely? Can you choose what to study? Can you do something that is not in the interest of the community? Is your effort owned by "the community", i.e., are you also a resource to be properly assigned?

Religion lost me when I realized that it had made me a slave. No more.

@paulfred34 your assumption that I have not is so familiar

@paulfred34 "you would not reject the Bible if you'd read it right"
Every day I'm pushed towards giving up reasoning with people about any and all beliefs

@paulfred34 not religion, the nature of argumentation. Well, nevermind

@paulfred34 Technology gave us the atom bomb, now it will give us killer robots (ElonMusk and Steven Hawkins). Have you thought that your faith in Technology is very much like a belief in god.

it happens when all else fails and then like prewar to post war it gradually start sup all over again - I was born in 1948 one of Bevans NHS. babes well 70 years on and we have come to the end of the road regarding looking out for and after each other.

@paulfred34 Well at least I have good company

@TjallTjallOUTLK
"There never has been 'a true socialist society' [god], so no one would be able to have ever seen one [god] work.' [my imputation]

I don't not object to a social/communist as a critical theory of governance, and even the implementation of some practices that are to the benefit of a population as a whole.

I utterly reject it as the absolute, to give it a god like position which led to vulgar Socialism/Marxism and the genocidic regimes of Lenin and Stalin.

@cava Excessive faith in technology and science is called scientism. I think there's merit in finding innovative new ways to use technology for good, but assuming it will somehow enable humans to escape the human condition is a bridge too far for me, and lacks epistemological humility to boot.