Dentist websites in Oklahoma...
They like to include in their bio about their religious beliefs. The missions they go on. Some even have prior degrees in theology... or went to Christian Universities. They wear it like a badge of honor.
I just want to know they have proper and extensive dental training! But, so many of them do it. Even my vet has crosses on their walls.
Would this irritate you? Or, would you shrug it off?
Welcome to Oklahoma my dear. Imagine how I feel at the courthouse when the attorneys and judges wear their religious beliefs on their chests basically as a badge of acceptance. I feel your pain daily.
Always annoying when people wrap themselves in the flag or use religion as a marketing ploy.
It irritates me because I feel like everyone just assumes everyone else is Christian and it frustrates me. Yeah, have pride in your faith, but this feels more like it's being forced down my throat.
Imagine how much business I'd get if I had upside down crosses, pentagrams, and rams skulls on my walls at work, and hail Satan at the end of my mission statement
Yes it would irritate me ... for a few seconds and then I would simply continue looking for a new dentist.
@silvereyes I live in the SF Bay Area so the odds of that are not good and the VA takes care of me so they don't have that kind of presentation to the patients.
Put me on edge just makes me think that if anything went wrong they would blame it on god and not take responsibility to make it right .
@SimonMorgan1 -- and rest assured if anything goes right, the blame will go to the same place.
@evidentialist who do I make the cheque to ?
God the scapegoat, makes a lot of sense.
That is a red flag for me.
I don't care if they advertise their religion honestly, but I do Westin why they are doing it. I assume they think it will bring them more business, ether because it will bring others if the faith or it will cause others to think they are trustworthy. That last part is scary to me since I don't think there is a correlation between religion and trustworthynesd, but many people think there is. I get worried they are exploiting that fact.
They are doing exactly that. Anytime a conman wants to seal the deal they fall back on that good old Christian title.
When people try and get you to believe in what they believe regardless of how they do it it's always annoying
Not sure this constitutes trying to get patients to believe, though now and then that could be the case. Mostly it's to set the majority of patients at ease. Otherwise it'd be business suicide to show such impertinence.
@GaryDoherty Non-sequitur to my point. Dentistry is a business, a business that will fail if you offend many of your patients. If there's a widespread practice of religiously-mediated social signaling then it's because a majority of patients are looking for it and it's good for the business of dentistry. That this is because the (business of) religion has created that demand in its "customers" is true enough but what I'm doing is explaining the rational self-interest of dentists who mention their "spiritual bona fides" and how it is not, in itself, proselytization or an indication that most of them would actually proselytize unbelieving patients or even try to figure out who is unbelieving. After all, an atheist's money is as good as anyone else's.
What they are doing is playing to their crowd. You always give your business to one of 'your kind'. It's an unwritten law. In essence, it amounts to a completely legitimate unethical practice in advertising at the least and a gross religious promotional practice at the extreme.
Let's be honest here, if I knew that one bakery was a fundamentalist fish supporter and another some three blocks away was run by an in the shadows baby eater, I would probably go the extra three blocks to give them my business. The difference is in the percentage and visual identification between the two. If 75% of the community ride dinosaurs in their off time, then dinosaur riders are going to get 75% (or close to it -- probably more) of the business in town. By the same token, if someone puts a recognizable symbol of godlessness in their window, they've automatically limited their business.
So, does it irritate me? Hell yes. Sometimes it goes as far as to piss me off. Do I let them know? That depends on how heinous the presentation. Normally, it doesn't warrant any harangue from me and I simply do what I can to avoid giving them my business and to the extent I'm able, steer it to those of similar rational thought.
@silvereyes -- We severely limit our own choices by having made the decision we made. They are not responsible for our problems. They have been there all along and though their program has changed a little from time to time, they are doing what they have always done.
It is therefor our responsibility to produce the societal change we wish to see and to push that agenda for however long it takes. We must also be cautious to not step too far into the confrontational mode because more often than not it comes at too great a cost. We've been witness to that lately. The trick is to keep on keepin' on.
It isnt just the business but the jobs as well and if you are not one of them you had better have something they really want bad before they will buy from you before one of their Church buddies.
I hate that shit. I will find someone else.
I hear ya. I JUST left Texas for New Jersey.
I know you're in OK, but not specifically where. But there are atheist meetups and hangouts in Oklahoma. And dentists and doctors show up at those things. That's how I found my physician in Fort Worth.
But getting out of Oklahoma is a great idea. Besides the excess religious nut-baggery in your state government and education system, frequently even more embarrassing than the shit we pulled in Texas, you have way too fucking many large flying insects. I have long speculated that Oklahoma means "land of giant flying bugs" in some native tongue.
I grew up in Indiana. My wife grew up on Long Island.
Living in a place where the FIRST question your neighbors ask when you move in is "what Church do you attend?" really need to end. We've been seeking our escape for years. Her job offered a paid relocation work at their HQ in East Hanover. We leapt at it.
We've been here since New Years. We have five greyhounds in a small apartment. At the same time, we are super happy to be here, but the journey so far has been tough and exhausting. The weather has been pretty harsh since we've arrived, but we've mostly enjoyed it. And it is wonderful to have real trees again.
We are excited, it seems like it's going to be great, but really... I just don't know yet.
How's that for a lot of words without answering?
@ScottAHurst I was the one already here and the new neighbors came over asking if I was a Christian. I was very offended she would show up and ask that, so rude in my book.
"was the religious climate part of the reason you moved?"
Yes. But not just that they were religious, but they were so fucking busy-body and nosy about it. Always in your business.
It’s awful and UNPROFESSIONAL but it is cultural. Ask them which tenant of science they DON’T practice in.
Well, in my case I was referred to a doctor, whose website was very Christian centric. I probably shouldn’t say this, but it was a psychiatrist that I was seeing. Long story short, the referring doctor thinks my memory is going because of depression. In any case the website gave me the impression that they use Christian beliefs to help heal depression. After reading that I went back to the referring doctor and asked her to refer me to someone else.
I don’t have a problem with anyone who is religious until they insist on pushing it on me. If a doctor or his/her website gives me the impression that they are Christian or any other religion, that’s an immediate red flag for me. You don’t need to advertise your religion for your business.
@silvereyes I would think that she could be reported for that.
It their biggest qualification is "I'm a christian" then I'd advise staying far away from them . If I was a dentist and boasted about my non belief in god rather than my actual qualifications, then you probably question my ability too.
I wouldn't care so long as they didn't treat me differently. i don't think your personal beliefs should be on any professional literature though.
It happens here, too, and not just medical and dental offices. It irks me, and I invariably find myself patronizing other places.
@silvereyes You said a mouthful, there.
It annoys the tar out of me, as does putting Christian music on the radio. I have had restaurants do that in my hometown, as well as printing out and taping those awful, bible-thumpy, facebook posts to the front counter. We even have a car wash whose exterior message board is always a bible quote. Businesses that pander to any faith in particular lose my business.
My bank plays Christian music and has "Faux News" playing on a big screen.If the service there wasn't fantastic, I would likely take my money elsewhere.
At times religion is just stated for sales sake, and at times you're in the kind of office that it doesn't effect or affect, the crosses are just the window dressing they should be. I forget what the percentage of America's pop is Christian is anymore, but I remember it being in the high 60s. Marketing to the mass makes sense. So I have a hard time being upset about it. But there are specific times when it upsets me.
I get a little irritated particularl in medical offices. Would this be a place, for example, that would let my wife or daughter die in an egtopic pregnancy rather than remove the fetus that was slowly killing it's mother and itself. Will my psychologist recommend prayer over medication? Will their woo get in the way of proven cures? Or give me useless ones? That is where it all makes me sicker.
I work for a Christian charity. Other than a few meetings opening with a prayer and a few people thanking Jesus for whatever it's just kind of in the background. As an athiest, no one has ever made me feel particularly uncomfortable, but it's not like I'm out of the woo closet. It sucks not being able to be honest with people out of fear of losing my job, particularly when one of my crew will be leaving for the seminary in a few months (worst worker on the crew, BTW). But if it should ever come to the point where I see the faith of those who run the place get in the way of running it well and (for want of a better word) faithfully to the cause, I know it'll be time to go. I'm not exactly there for the pay, I just wanted to work for a charity.
I take it as a warning.
@silvereyes One more reason i don't live there..
i can not imagine to be able to keep living in an area where religious hokuspokus is so blatantly in my face on a daily basis. i'd move to sweeter climes.
Mississippi just sent a new representative to the senate - Cyndy Hyde Smith. Her words were that she was going to bring her faith to the senate to guide her. This is exactly the type of bias people that never should be allowed to work in our government. But the fact is that most of the people in the senate and house are completely religious and are using their religious fantasies as guides to govern instead of science, logic and reasoning. It is the 21st century - why are still being forced to follow the fantasy based beliefs of ancient, ignorant people that didn't even know where the sun went at night? Why why why?