If you are a conservative, do consider insulting the president a personal attack on you?
If you are a liberal, do you consider an insult to Hillary, Obama, Bernie as a personal attack on you?
Why or why not?
Don't you think people take it as an attack on their choice?
No but I’ll still get upset if they insinuate that I’m stupid or a bad person for supporting Obama. Many times because the things they come up with are total BS
I try not to ??
I do think they fell for lies, so more feel sorry for them
@Crimson67 Were Gemans who supported Hitler and the SS and the entire Nazi ideology morally bereft? I think so. Are those who support racist politicians and white supremacist groups morally bereft. Yes.
@SynergySeeker my ex husband is alt-right. I didn’t know it until it was too late (hey, didn’t think a racist would be interested in me). I feel sorry for him and don’t hate him. I’m just not going to waste my energy on hate. But I’m glad I have no contact with him any longer.
Say whatever you want to say, you are entitled to your opinion. I may agree or disagree. I definitely agree that Trump is a dangerous arsehole who conned a lot of people into believing that he has their values.
Oh have you been perusing the looney tunes group? LOL
Being in a highly conservative community elsewhere one thing I've noticed is the "team" mentality. Purist left leaning tend to question anyone even if it's someone on their side. They'll throw their own under the bus if they betray principles. The right wing authoritarians would jump into a vat of boiling grease before admitting they've been sold a bill of goods voting against their own interests. So yeah I see what you mean.
People who never admit mistakes are liars out the door, so I can see them taking it personally when their 'god' is in the crosshairs.
It should never be considered wrong to question the actions of our leaders. At least not in a free society. But the personal attacks are a bit more troubling. However, if it’s true, is it a personal attack? We know that this current president lies. We know because we watch him do it... in real time... and we have records. And he does it all the time. So is it a personal attack or a definition of character?
Ironically, most of the “personal” attacks I see on others tend to be more true about the person making the accusation than they are about the accused. I’ve heard over and over and over again that Barack Obama was the “worst president in the history of the United States.” Translation: he’s black.
I was never a fan of Obama. But I spent most of his presidency explaining to people that he “wasn’t trying to control the sun,” that he “didn’t cause tornadoes to happen in Red States,” or that didn’t shut down oil drilling of the coast of the United States. That he wasn’t coming for anybody’s guns, that he wasn’t gay, that he didn’t have a secret family, or start ISIL... It just got nuttier and nuttier and I didn’t know how to respond to that.
But I do think, liberal and conservative alike, we have to learn the difference between ad hominem and legitimate questions about a persons integrity, or intelligence, or abilities.
No I’m no Hillary fan. And although I liked Obama he wasn’t perfect by any means.
You're right ... nobody's perfect. The question then becomes what legacy/impact/damage can an executive do in four years? Lifetime judicial appointees, executive orders (whether new or rescinding previous administrations), international policies, domestic priorities, fiscal decisions, and so on ... an executive unchecked by Congress can create a bow wake that ripples around the globe!
No I think its a personal attack on themselves because they are the losers- I vote in the UK I vote socialist always. No one can insult me personally because I have nothing to do with them apart from making my mark- at the polling station - Politicians are a breed apart as far as I am concerned and I wouldnt trust many of them.
I don't consider any attack as a personal attack unless it's physical. And it's not an insult if it's the truth.
Those who identify as conservative, are well educated, read voraciously, seek knowledge and subscribe to the National Review, are unlikely to see in Trump the values of conservatism that were once championed by William F. Buckley. In the eyes of many conservatives, to insult Donald Trump is to defend true conservative values. To them, calling out Trump as a self promoting imposter is the only way to restore conservatism.
Hillary, Obama, Bernie, Trump, Ryyan, McConnell I don't agree 100% with any of these people. Personally I am an independent. I vote for the candidates I believe could do the best job for the majority of the population. Our politicians have lost sight in who they're supposed to be representing.
I like to think of myself as independent but have never managed to vote for a Republican. I do not much care for Hilary Clinton. Obama is not the Messiah. He made mistakes. I do not expect perfection from myself or a politician. However, I do feel that when people support Trump or Paul Ryan or the NRA, they are revealing their values and moral views. AS for Trump, as Tillerson once noted, "Trump is an F&%$ing moron".
@SynergySeeker I believe we have two major problems in this country. One is we need a decent single-payer health system that covers everybody including the politicians. Second we need jobs that pay a living wage for all adult workers raising a family. This should be our politicians primary goals to accomplish.
Anyone who enters the arena of partisan U.S. politics should be prepared for a significant portion of the population to hate them. I don't really care what people think/say about my politicians or my politics. I do, however, make a note in my mind when people make personal attacks on either side. They get added to my mental list of people to avoid.
For the record: I'm a moderate liberal. Voted for Obama twice, voted for Hillary - reluctantly. Seriously dislike Trump, but I try to believe that his supporters want what they think is best for the country - even if I disagree with them on what that is.
Politics is just American anime so I really can't consider anything done a personal attack. I just hope when people have a problem with something, that they are not basing it on personal biases and instead are thinking critically about what makes them have a problem with that politician.
There is a huge difference between an attack and an insult. An attack may be justified. An insult is a deliberate aspersion, often knowingly false.
I consider personal attacks as counter productive. I prefer to attack policies and behaviours rather than the person.
However, there are a few politicians out there where it is difficult to seperate the person from the behaviour and the policies!