Why not CT scans ? Med students should practice on each other OBVIOUSLY by consent and INSTRUCTORS should meet with the patient before surgery and demonstrate the exam and get consent for the exact number of students to do this learning exercise about ovaries vagina and uterus "feeling"....I guess cold cadavers donated to med schools just do not feel the same as a live sedated victim

I read @ NYU both men and women give explicit CONSENT to vaginal or rectal invasive exams..... without informed consent, this is rape pure and simple ....body cavity searches are done in prisons too

For that to be ethical, I think it's necessary to get consent and have an unbiased witness in the room while the procedure is performed.

This American Life did a piece on this in 2018
[thisamericanlife.org]

I heard about this earlier in the year. It is sketchy they don't put it out there more but I'll be the first to sign a consent form to let this happen. And I'm not all that upset that it has been. They do need to understand what pelvic exams are supposed to feel like and I am all for more young doctors having a working knowledge women's health.
I would be interested to know if the student doctors are feeling less vaginas in practice settings now that this has come under scrutiny and is illegal in some states. And if this affects women's health.

Atrocious practice never I always had a proctor and patient was awake and consenting

Are we in 1920? This is wrong wrong wrong!

That’s hideous . First of all , even w consent and awake , we always bring another person w us in the room as witness . To protect our selves and to protect the patient . That’s wrong doing