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Could I be considered an atheist or a deist?

I know it sounds strange and all, but I'm kind of confused about certain things.
I say to those close to me that I am an atheist, that I don't believe in God and I don't follow the Bible.
But I have to say that I'm interested in the concept of a higher force who created us, even though I have no proof of that. Like, a force that created the universe and all that, but it doesn't require or demands our love and extreme obedience.
So can I still be considered an atheist or a deist? What are your thoughts on that?

RaiGab 5 Feb 1
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If the scientists on the forefront of cosmology and astrophysics are correct about the Big Bang, at that point the universe went from being an incredibly hot, dense mass with few of the principles of physics that we know today, including time, the known forces, etc. We don't know what might have triggered inflation, though, assuming the Big Bang theory is correct, so that's still a mystery. But the underlying question(s) I take away from your post is whether there's reason to think that the cause was metaphysical in some sense, that there was a consciousness driving the origin of our universe, etc. Over the millennia, humans have often said that there must be a God or gods to explain things we could not at that time comprehend. Who or what brings the sun back each day? Must be a sun god! Why did my child die suddenly? I must have angered the gods! What explains the motion of the planets when our mathematic models cannot? The hand of God, of course! What was there "before" the universe as we know it was formed? God! It's the god of the gaps, to explain what lies beyond our current understanding of how things work. I think the answer is "I don't know" until we do indeed know more, but theists often jump on that as justification for their beliefs, claiming, "Well, you can't prove it isn't God." Depending on how God is defined, that's true, but I also cannot prove it's not of alien origin beyond our understanding, or The Matrix, or a self-contained loop where an event can contain its own cause, and so on. I'm not justified in believing any of those things. The fact that we have so often discovered answers to questions that previously perplexed us suggests something, though: that the outstanding questions that remain are likely not magic any more than the answers of the past were. In this way I take the negative-atheist position, which dovetails with agnosticism, but instead of merely saying "I don't know, and it can't be known," I reject the claims of theist and deism as having no substance, no reason or evidence pointing in their direction. I never feel beholden to the argument that I can't prove it's not true, because I'm not the one asserting the claim. I am under no obligation to accept fanciful stories when no good evidence and reasoning is presented to support them. Philosophy, I think it's good to explore such thought experiments, but once we get to accepting metaphysical claims there's an evidential bar that needs to be cleared. In your case, are you accepting of the deistic claims, or do you merely entertain them? I think your answer to that will tell you whether you're an atheist or a deist.

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Wouldn’t worry about it. Be who you are and don’t let a label define you.

You don’t need a club!

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I hate labels, if you do not believe in gods or religions, then you can call yourself a non-believer. Anything else is just mental masturbation, a higher force that created not us but the universe, and as you say "all that", have you heard of evolution? the big bang? that's proof of your higher force.

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