I already know the difference between agnosticism and a weak or strong atheist and the two are not incompatible with each other. If someone has an opinion on the likelihood or probability of a God or Gods existing that would be called a belief not just an opinion.

This is simple Sunday school math, if agnostic has to do with a lack of knowledge and Atheism has to do with a lack of belief then someone can be an agnostic atheist.

@AHWalter1989 So you're saying an opinion always IS a belief?
No.
If I say, 'Vanilla is the best ice cream flavor,' I'm expressing my subjective opinion, not an all-encompassing truth. For ME that may be true, but it's certainly not true of everybody.
If I say, 'I believe vanilla is the best ice cream flavor,' I'm implying much more. Someone might respond, 'Well, YOU might think so, but I like Rocky Road best.'
So most people would say (I think) belief is more a statement of objective FACT.
'I believe God exists,' has a different ring than, 'It's my opinion god exists.' The first is a deeply-held conviction, the second a cognitive construction.
An Agnostic would say it's his or her opinion god does or does not exist; an atheist or a theist would say they BELIEVE god does or doesn't exist.
Do you see my point?
Probably not.

@Storm1752 ok the insulting is completely unnecessary.

@Storm1752 The only contention I would have with your reasoning is if someone says their opinion is that vanilla is the best ice cream that is solely based on their subjective taste in ice-cream while if someone says their opinion is that God exists that is a stronger belief statement because they would actually be saying that based on outside information that they see that causes them to go in that direction.

@AHWalter1989 If one has a lack of knowledge (everybody), one doesn't know.
If I enter a room with a black box sitting on a table, I don't know what is in the box (unless someone tells me).
I can say, 'I believe it's a statue,' with of course no basis for that satement.
I'm probably wrong, of course; it could be any number of an infinite list of things. But I may for some insane reason say with certainty, 'It's a statue. I believe that to be true.'
OR I could say, 'I don't know what's in the box.'
I can't say both.
One person cannot say,
'I believe there is no god," and,
'I don't know if there's a god or not.'

Why do I say that? Because practically EVERY atheist to whom I have spoken or read their words have pronounced their BELIEF with conviction.
They are REALLY saying, 'There is no god.'
They may qualify that somewhat with a weasal word or two, or say grudgingly, 'Of course, I don't know that for a fact, so I'm sort of agnostic, but I'm as sure of it as I am sure there's not a purple dragon in my garage.'
In other words it's a distinction without a difference.
So (please?) stop saying there's such a thing as an agnostic atheist.
You mean an agnostic whose opinion it is there is no god, but truly doesn't know.
A 'weak' atheist is someone who is 90% sure rather than 99.9%.

@AHWalter1989 Don't tell me: Neopolitan rules.

@Storm1752 I have no idea what you mean by that lol

@AHWalter1989 It's a carton of ice cream divided into three sections: vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry.

@Storm1752 Oh nevermind I get why you said that now lol

@Storm1752 One thing that seems to me is if someone says they believe there is no God it seems more like that would be an anti-theist, according to the definiton of anti-theist that I found online at least. Like an atheist doesn't hold to the belief that a God exists but an anti-theist actually actively believes God does not exist.

@AHWalter1989 An anti-theist is somebody who opposes theists. This is quite different a proposition to somebody who is an atheist, though an atheist may also be an anti-theist.

@anglophone True. Probably is INVARIABLY an ANTI-THEIST!
That doesn't mean they don't share an attraction to 'belief systems,' unlike Agnosticists.

Please give me some evidence for your assertion instead of simply trashing my post, thank you.

@AHWalter1989 Your "Everyone is either a 'theist' or an 'atheist' because they either hold to the belief that god exists or they do not." fails to address the question of which god. It also fails to address the observed phenomenon of different believers different levels of certainty about the existence of the god or gods that they claim - you have binarised a continuum. There is also the logical problem of those who are theist about one god, often the Abrahamic god, are also atheist about other gods.

Have I given you enough to work with?

new people coming along trying to get it all learned.

Yes, like the dead horse, it keeps on rearing up its ugly head, because it has failed to realise that it is dead.

Wrong. Unbelief and non-belief are two different things.

@Storm1752 OK, so if you have a point, I researched shortly for myself unbelief and nonbelief.

here's what i get from a quick google reference.

unbelief is an absence (or rejection) of belief, especially religious belief.

So unbelief is to reject calling something true then implying it is false.

while nonbelief ... failure to believe.

So non belief is a failure to call something true.

How can one fail to call something true?

But your statement is false. Nobody thinks your name is God.

@Word The way I've always understood it is unbelief is a more proactive (or reactive) REJECTION of a belief in God, whereas non-belief is the absence of belief (and unbelief) in God...it simply is not there.
So atheism is unbelief, Agnosticism is non-belief.

@Storm1752 I use that, 'God is not my name" in part as humor that I understand but others do not usually pick up on.

Part of my point is that 'God" would not specifically be God's name. God is more of a label for something like President, king, teacher not a proper name like Bob, Fred, etc.

Put another way, nobody knows, but some THINK they do.

And yet, I do still see members of each tribe trash-talk the other. (Not often, hooray!)

In general, I have been impressed by the civility here.