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Damnit. Just drop a few H-Bombs on China and the virus will stop in next to no time.
. . . that's not even funny
"Historically, people return to valuing expert views in times of trouble or distress."
The interview was done 3 yrs ago. I'm afraid no one listened, as we don't seem to be any more inclined to listen to the experts during a global pandemic of a newly emerged infectious disease than we were then. Maybe even less so. Sad, slippery slope we're on.