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And even a larger chance that it will kill you. People have died doing this.

Really? Link a story or two to prove your claim.

@SCal [khn.org]
and I have to mess with the computer so I can copy and paste two more sources.
and
[dicardiology.com]
and
[physiciansweekly.com]
I can get more if you are still unconvinced.

@dalefvictor

Quoted from the middle link [dicardiology.com] :

"FDA Approved Indications and COVID-19 Trials for Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are FDA-approved to treat or prevent malaria. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate is also FDA-approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. 

The FDA said these medicines have not been proven safe or effective for treating COVID-19. However, clinical trials are underway and additional trials are being planned to determine if these drugs can benefit patients with COVID-19. These trials are also examining whether the drugs can prevent COVID-19 among healthcare workers, first responders or people who have been in close contact with someone with COVID-19."

@dalefvictor

Quoted from the top article you posted
[khn.org] :

"While some studies have found that the drug could help alleviate symptoms associated with COVID-19, the research is not conclusive. Few studies have been accepted into peer-reviewed journals. And large, randomized trials — the gold standard for clinical trials — are still needed to confirm the findings of studies conducted since the pandemic began."

@dalefvictor

Two of the three articles you have posted are from April.

The one recent article you posted states, "While some studies have found that the drug could help alleviate symptoms associated with COVID-19, the research is not conclusive. Few studies have been accepted into peer-reviewed journals. And large, randomized trials — the gold standard for clinical trials — are still needed to confirm the findings of studies conducted since the pandemic began."

@dalefvictor

I do appreciate your effort of at least posting sources for claims, however, two of the articles are dated and the most recent article states that clinical trials are still needed. Meanwhile Doctors are prescribing and advocating for the drugs. These Doctors are not reporting deaths or injuries, only articles that are years old report this without discussing dosage.

The several doctors and studies that are coming out with glowing reviews of these drugs are from within the last week or two. You have responded with four month old articles and recent articles citing studies that are years old.

I'd say at that I would trust the Doctors on the front lines who are seeing patients and prescribing these drugs and seeing their effects.

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I might be mistaken. But what you posted was an editorial by Sten H. Vermund, July 29th, 2020, from the Yale School of Public Health. It seems to contradict the title that you posted here. See below. These are the silent points coming out of the editorial. The actual study is not included in your link.

Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky.

June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery.

"potentially risky".

@SCal

Given the other valid studies I think we can dispense with the "potentially" claim and move directly to risky. Just because you want something to be correct, doesn't mean it is.

@t1nick

Can we? Post those studies so we may compare.

You are clearly impugning the study that the Doctor quote. Are you also impugning the Doctors credentials? The field of epidemiology? The American Journal of Epidemiology?The entire university?

What are your credentials? Have you done any studies? Can you post the findings from your studies, please?

@OwlInASack

Funny, you didn't post it or link it here. Yet, it's long and well known.

@SCal, @OwlInASack

Owl this guy is either a conservative trump troll or less intelligent than we fear.

@t1nick

Again, a weak ad-hominem attack when all I have asked is that you prove and source you assertions.

Isn't that what scientific minded people do?

How's it go? First one to go ad-hominem loses? You also attempted to attack my understanding earlier in this thread and I exposed you and your deflection. Now you are simply trying to seek consensus with others doing the same thing, but you will not be let off the hook so easily.

It appears you come to a scientific discussion armed only with opinions and no science.

Just do a better job next time. Stop being weak.

@SCal

[jaad.org]

[zums.ac.ir]

[acpjournals.org]

[sciencedirect.com]

[jaad.org]

[tandfonline.com]

[bmj.com]

[ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[nejm.org]

[nejm.org]

[cell.com]

This is just scratching the surface. I went through all these articles, A few are inconclusive, but lean towards the negative conclusion about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. One can find studies that lean positively towards the drugs efficacy. Some hedge their bets and say more research is needed.
I hope meets your expectations (lol). I still think you are a fraud.

@t1nick

Nah.

You think I am.

I know you are. Have fun with all that.

@SCal

You just did what you accused me of. Hypocrisy. Tsk, tsk, tsk. So sad. Typical conservative.

@t1nick

I did no such thing.

Nice try, though.

@OwlInASack

I blocked you before. Not sure how you're back.

But I did not respond to you for a reason.

The same reason I will not read your reply or respond past this post.

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"We think if we can make our immune systems stronger, we’ll be better able to fight off this coronavirus, as well as other viral and bacterial pathogens"

Credit: Washington University

Front-line health-care providers work with seriously ill COVID-19 patients in an intensive care unit at Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis. New research from scientists at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis suggests that the immune systems of such patients can’t do enough to protect them from the virus. The researchers are proposing that boosting the activity of immune cells may be a good treatment strategy for COVID-19.

[ksdk.com]

SCal Level 7 Aug 5, 2020
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Doctors prescribe medications and most don't do research or conduct clinical trials..

I'll stick with the CDC and the FDA .

Its all too true CB. When my mother became sick in 2004, her doctor prescribed medicines that were contraindicated. It almost killed her. If it wasn't for my ex-wife, we might not have caught it. Pharma salespersons come in, hype a drug to a doc, and often do not tell all the necessary info about side effects or limitations. Docs do not have the time to read up on the drug or do not take the time. They are offered kickbacks for promoting specific drugs by the Pharmaceutical companies.

@t1nick I don't take any medication at all but if someday I need to, I'll check it out on google and with multiple pharmacists and doctors..

@Cutiebeauty

The key term is "contraindicative" to look out for.

@t1nick yes, I googled that word.. ☺😜

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