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It’s a relationship?!? Not a religion?

Okay, so...what the hell does this mean? I was talking to my sister a few years ago. When I first was coming out to her and trying to explain where I was at with the whole religion thing. And I guess I was at the “fuck religion!! I hate religion!!” Phase of atheism. You know...where you find out it’s kinda all a damn lie and you feel like shit you were duped and wanna smack some religious bastards faces for the betrayal...no? Was that just me? Okay well...anyway, doesn’t matter! I would like to know how is it a religion in their eyes. I have some ideas but I would very much like to hear others out there. Please let me know how it was for ya’ll. Cause I told her that if I was “God” I would be sending her to hell for being a lesbian if I truly loved her. And if this shit IS TRUE in the end, then screw God for sending my little sis to hell and for making her that way. But...but even when I told her I would never do that to her, but he “WILL”. (Remember, I don’t believe I’m just saying hypothetically to her.) she still was like, yeah he can do what he wants he’s my God but I adore and worship him still blah blah blah. Can anyone help me with this situation. Or maybe give me some feedback on what I could have done differently. Or if you spoke to the person. I’d love to know how it went. Thanks!! Peace owt!

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A child may believe they "love" Santa, but in actuality, they love the concept, the idea, of Santa. Because Santa does not exist. She may feel that she "connects" with the concept or idea of her god which she has conceptualized over her lifetime from many different sources. But the substance, the most important thing, the proof, that she can't produce. This is why the statement, "it's not a religion, it's a relationship," is so delusional. A person cannot have a one-sided relationship with the unsubstantial concept of a god, it cannot connect back or interact with them.

This post I wrote may help you to understand why people believe against all logic and reason: "Humankind has evolved to the point that they are conscious of their own mortality."

"Religion is not a matter of God, church, holy cause, etc. These are but accessories. The source of religious preoccupation is in the self, or rather the rejection of the self. Dedication in the obverse side of self-rejection. Man alone is a religious animal because, as Montaigne points out, it is a malady confined to man, and not seen in any other creature, to hate and despise ourselves." - Eric Hoffer, Author of The True Believer

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Anger can be a destructive emotion, but it can also be in-structive. I'm no longer seething at the religion I was brought up in, or for that matter, the religion I left it for, but I can't help but feel a twinge of anger and resentment when I see little kids who don't know any better being taught the same damn bullshit and being brainwashed with guilt-tripping, lack of self-worth messaging.

But I have a plan to properly channel my anger ... one that involves intellectual and psychological inoculation against religious faith through the joyous and loving embrace of secular humanism and critical thinking, and my test subjects will be my grandchildren! 😉

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As a former Christian I can understand the consideration that it is about "relationship " not about some atheist definition of this thing atheist calls religion.

Biblically what is considered religion has been written for at least as almost 2000 years. Biblical students would then see that if they wanted to be religious then they help widows and orphans while avoiding worldly corruption.

Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27

This religion has nothing to do with particular "God thingies" as illogical atheist label what ever it is they are calling "religion ".

I have further discussion pertaining to this topic. You could go there and read over what I have posted and make comments for further discussion of what I could explain to you. Click here, or go to like from my profile "Illogical atheists guide for ending Christianity "

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I love the fact that you deny you are a Christian, yet, you quote the Bible as if it is an authority. That is just nonsense.

So if everyone helps widows and orphans, will they go to heaven?!? Or are they just religiously correct?

@nogod4me if I quote the dictionary, does that make me a dictionaryian?

@nogod4me I did consider myself Christian in my earlier life. I left christianity because I come to the understanding that as written from original language and meaning that Jesus character would be Angelic lord of host Lucifer the devil.

For purposes of de-christianizing to Christian's I point out biblical understanding from the text that would help Christian understand they do not know Jesus character of biblical text but rather some paganism style character that gives for a deceptive understanding of Jesus character.

For pointing out things to illogical atheist that would also want to see christianity ended, I quote biblical text to show illogical atheist their misperceptions of christianity. If illogical atheist knew how to debate or fight in spiritual warfare on the level with christianity it would be more likely to have an effect.

Whereas, as I have heard of some people are set in their mind one way or another and additional information or facts would not change their mind. Some people are just going to 'believe " what ever they want or don't want because that is their belief of what belief is about. It's like something God could slap the shit out of an illogical atheist and the illogical atheist be like, "I lack belief that just happened."

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Yeah, I went through the same phases that you went through. That angry phase was fun, no? But it gets tiring, too.

I think that my own sister is skeptical (though I don't know for sure; we don't talk about it,) but her girlfriend of fifteen years is a Christian. I don't know how she reconciles her sexuality with her faith (and she doesn't go to a church that accepts it, either! She goes to a church that's very much against it!)

I don't understand it. Maybe there's nothing to understand about it, except to acknowledge that people are stupid. Even if they're smart. We are flexible creatures, to be both smart and stupid at the same time!

Lol oh yeah it was for about the few days it lasted. I’ve always been a bit introspective and introverted. So I never really lash out until I’ve really had it. I’m very patient, so it didn’t last long. Lol. But yeah that surge of the hatred and being able to use the dark side for a bit was fun lmao!

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Hello and welcome to the site. I do not really have an answer to the question of, what you could do differently. But it is worth noting that people often become most defensive and outwardly committed to their beliefs, at just the time when they are beginning to have inner doubts. Therefore don't push that will make things worse, but do set a good example of being a good person as an atheist, and your sister may one day surprise you. I don't think that you have a better strategy, than that, available sorry to say.

Thank you! I hope to make some friends on here. Get to know people.

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