So I don’t believe in heaven or hell, but I’m not sure what happens after death. My sweet and amazing dog just passed away and it’s really got me thinking about what could be happening. I’ve come to the conclusion that we are all just chemical signals and once we’ve died that they just stop and we aren’t anything. What are your thoughts??
I heard a really good analogy in a podcast about death. The guest described a road trip he took with 3 other people that he hardly knew. Surprisingly they had a really great time and bonded with each other, but when they returned from the trip, they each went their separate ways. He thinks of his own body as this collection of particles on a road trip, and they're all working together to have this magical experience called life and consciousness. But at some point, all the particles will separate and become parts of other cool things.
I like this and the particles, be it a memory, a photo, a family tradition, your children and grandchildren are all parts of you.
Coming from a Nihilistic background, I'd say you're pretty on point. When we die, our brain no longer receives oxygen. After a few minutes of this, the brain dies, and along with it, consciousness. Just my opinion, though.
And a few of us haven given our bodies to hospitals where doctors learn. So they'll cut us up, practice a surgery ultimately they'll do on the living, and at some point after the playing with is over all the parts are returned, cremated, and returned to the family....and for FREE.
Lots of things happen after you die, however none of them involve you
Yep, you are right. I wish there were a doggie heaven but they, and we, don't go anywhere anymore than we came from somewhere. I am astounded that some responses here assert some vague hippie/yuppie/spiritualist reincarnation wish. I think those folk have mischaracterized themselves as agnostics. If it isn't empirical, it is just wishful thinking.
Nobody knows for sure until we die, that is why it is important to live while we are here. Why worry about something you have no control over? The only thing for sure in life is death and taxes!
I'm sorry for the loss of your pupper
I agree with you. We are the sum of biological processes that when disrupted or ended, so are we.
I think there's a general fear of death in that we have trouble accepting the concept of complete cessation, that there is no more than simply ceasing to be. We are like any other animal but for higher thought processes, which arguably make us the most dangerous creatures on the planet, yet unlike any other we seek for more, a grand design , a purpose, a continuance of existence beyond the biological. Personally I believe that just as we are conceived by natural means so do we end, our only continuance being in the nourishment of new life in the form of flora. I have yet to find a plausible rationale by which my consciousness, my self, could manage to proceed beyond the end of the natural process that is my life.
Many say "nothing." I disagree.
If nature is allowed to take its course, we return to the earth and provide nourishment for other life that may spring forth. Also, we live on in the memories of the lives we have changed because we came in contact with them. Eternal life? Maybe not as such the way theists describe it, but certainly, when our life ends, we still have an impact on others, ranging from single cell organisms to complex beings.
I've come to the same conclusion. We are meet hardware running meets software. I'm afraid that's not much of a consolation for someone who's lost a loved one. But I hope in everyday life it reminds us of how valuable and special each one of us is and that we should appreciate it while we still have the chance.
What happened before your birth? Do u remember? Do u feel like you are reborn like some Hindu believes? Do u care about what happened before your birth? Can u care? So, why do u care about what will happen after ur death? U r alive now and u should just enjoy that. Why thinking about what you can never know. There can be a general consciousness, there can be spiritual, but u can not know it now.
Nothing.
That's my "go to" snark.
But I like to speculate too... I like to think that consciousness has a layered structure. The molecular communities of your cells conspiring to be a "cell".... The cells of the body conspiring to create the "body", the bodies conspiring to create "society". Every seven years or thereabouts you have replaced all of your cells... yet "you" persist despite these trillions of deaths and births. Perhaps there is a layer of awareness that becomes more evident when the aspects associated with this scale are stripped away (like, everything you think of as your "self" )... there all along underneath it all, adhering to the same principals that generate our human sized awareness, but at a grander scale. How often do you shed a tear for a flake of dandruff?
U cease to exist. The way it was before u were born.
We just stop existing. No dreams, or thoughts occur like in sleeping. I think it would rather be more like being put under anesthesia, just all of a sudden everything stops for you.
Well the most logical circumstance is that nothing happens and your consciousness no longer exists, the same as before you were born. That is what I believe happens when someone dies,although I would love it if I am incorrect . I'm afraid of death because I don't want to miss out on all of what is left of existence. For me being an atheist is kind of scary... I always question everything, specially death.
I personally believe reincarnation is real..there is evidence across the globe..I think energy can not die it moves on to another form...
Can you show me the evidence? you really caught my interest right now...
I'm in full agreement with everyone here who says it's just lights out - same as before we achieved consciousness. I have a very serious question and -barring a catastrophic derailment of human progress- believe it will be more than just theoretical within a few generations.
Is our consciousness necessarily bound to our bodies and brains? Can it be copied or transferred into an artificial brain that holds our consciousness and continues self? Does technology and human ingenuity hold the promise of an afterlife - a real one? Would you choose it?
My thoughts... wall of text warning
By the way you mention 'chemical signals' I think you're getting at the idea that who 'we' are comes from the chemical happenings in the brain. In order to define what it means for one's self to cease, one must first define what 'self' means.
I think it's pretty accurate to say that the mind (what I tend to think of as the 'self' ) only exists as an attribute of the brain. Life is a physical, chemical process which can be disrupted to an irrecoverable extent.
Related to this, I think it's also accurate to say that all animals with feelings and personalities (minds) have these things as a result of their brains. This includes humans and dogs among other critters that some might call 'people'. I'm not a biologist or a medical doctor, so as always, check the facts and let me know what you come back with.
There's a lot of evidence to back this up that comes from modern medicine: pharmaceuticals, narcotics, tumors, and surgeries in the brain can all cause drastic changes in personality to living people. Death of the mind occurs when these kinds of changes to the brain are taken to the extreme. The story I like to refer to most is the one of Phineas Gage, who survived an iron rod being shot through his brain in a railroad related explosion but suffered very noticeable changes in his personality. A part of his brain was removed and literally died. Because of this a part of his personality and who he was, which is to say a part of his mind, died also. A side-note on this is that the ways in which minds and brains are related is often really weird and unintuitive. It's a good example of the relationship between the mind and the brain and the story of Phineas Gage is a pretty good read on wikipedia. There's also a vlogbrothers episode about it with Hank Green: <www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrULrWRlGBA>. There are a lot of varying stories about Phineas Gage, but overall they indicate the same idea. Regardless of what animal we're considering, medicine and biology tell us that all life follows the rules of physics.
Definitions and academic musings aside...
My family dog passed away last year. I never expected I would have cried so much over a dog I was against getting in the first place. We got Clara from a pet store in my home town about ten years ago. My sister, Kaitlynn, wanted a dog. She convinced my mom who then convinced my dad that it would be an adorable member of the family to love. This was around the time of the 2008 recession and my family had never been well off; we'd had to go without electricity in the not-so-distant past so money was never all that far from our minds. That's why I and, at first, my dad was against the idea.
Anyway... we got this adorable little black-and-white cocker spaniel puppy and the three of us hated it. My mom found that even though my sister kept her promises to take care of Clara, there was still a lot of cleaning up to do from achem messes left around the house. My dad discovered the joys of Clara barking at apparently nothing at 3 AM. I was fairly bitter from simply having been proven right about our financial situation; but, looking back that may have been pessimistic of me... just a little. Kaitlynn loved our dog. She even let Clara sleep in her bed and all but lick food out of her own mouth. So, the rest of us put up with all of it because we loved Kaitlynn. Funny enough, over time Clara really did become part of the family. After about 9 years of life with our dog we'd all gotten used to the minor chores and annoyances of taking care of a dog and had grown to love the warmth, comfort, and overall fluffy adorableness of our little mongrel and the love that she brought with her into our house.
The point I'm trying to make is that while life is merely a chemical reaction it can also be looked at as more than a mere chemical reaction. I don't believe in anything supernatural; this includes gods, heaven, hades, trans-dimensional flying spaghetti monsters, etc. I do believe that the memories I have with my dog and my sister as well as all of my family are some of the best memories I have.
There's a famous quote: "They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time." Some people consider this in a pessimistic way, but I think it's reassuring.
I know it's pretty cheezy, but without invoking anything supernatural it's not exactly wrong: My own point of view is that as long as you remember someone, they will always be with you.
So to answer your question: Yeah, it's pretty grim XD
That's just my opinion though. If people disagree I'd be really interested to hear a contrary view.
EDIT: Sorry about the broken link, I fixed it.
Chemical signals have been measured and felt. ...formaldehyde turns dead bodies into a battery transmitter of sorts. ...I felt pains from my dead parents bodies. ...but no other messages. ...even if there are "souls" wafting about "the ether" the bible remains a genocidal misogynistic anti science fiction. ...drinking grape juice and eating crackers DO NOT EQUAL ETERNAL LIFE WITH A tortured crucified baby gawd anywhere ....cherish life and don't trade it for heaven bribes nor terrorized into an alleged hell. ...that's our GOSPEL good news John Lennon, no hell below us above us only sky
The electrical spark is no more, the body becomes inert. If you want a more graphic or philosophical answer try reading, Way to Go by Alan Spence. (It's got a few good laughs in it too!)