One of my biggest issues with religion is the whole concept of Faith, or in the religious sense, Blind Faith.
Arguments ALWAY loop back to "I just have Faith." I won't even continue arguing the topic because I know at that point that person has abandoned all logic and reason. It's an adult version of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "La-La-La-La I can't hear you!!"
To believe in something solely for the sake of believing seems insane to me. Especially when their source is ONE BOOK! The insert religious texts here is not proof! Also, Christian Science is an oxymoron, and creationism is just bad science.
What are your thoughts on Faith? How can/do you rationalise it?
this is a dense read, actually gets better in the second half, but here is a quote from the top; "The verb πειθω (peitho), to persuade, denotes a collective synchronizing of wisdom and the ironing out of wrinkles in a society's continuum of understanding. It does not describe someone preaching and the rest listening, but people conversing in a verbal economy and achieving a unification of minds (ACTS 17:4) into a mutual identity to which everybody can relate"
Faith in the theological sense is an anti-intellectual evil, the veneration of fantasy over fact, the glorification of ignorance and an insult to human progress.
Faith say truth is a lie, reality is deception and thinking is a sin, faith is double think.
I loathe it.
I think faith (aka hope or wishful thinking) is fien in the absence of facts.
However, when a person believes in spite fo the avaialbe facts taht crosses the line out of the rhelms of faith and into the rhelms of willful ignorance. This is the route mos treligions have taken, as facts disprove various parts of what they believe... they stil choose to believe in them despite evidence to the contrary.
I think that , like many things, it comes from fear. Fear that this life is all we have. Fear that the universe doesn't care about us. Fear of death. Fear makes you do(and believe) stupid things.
As near as I can tell, I was born without a shread of faith. Is the sun coming up tomorrow? We shall see. I've always been puzzled by other people's faith. I once friended a woman that believed in fiber & juicing. Angels, aliens. Krishna, Jesus, Buddah, vitaman C and collidal silver solution. I did figure out pretty quick that she was nuts, but she was more fun than an entire bushel basket of Baptists. I'm not here for a long time, but I am here for a good time.
And I hope we meet 'the next time'.
Faith is what people say when they know their belief system doesn’t pass a rational thinking system. I went to a Lutheran grade school and a day never went by when I didn’t hear that word a dozen times. It’s anti intellectual gibberish and a big reason I became an Atheist. I’m wired to discussions based on reason and facts.
Its a way of kind of believing without actually saying so.
I do not. I permit others to have faith and see no value in challenging it.
I sometimes say “I have faith in one‘s ability to do X” when I really mean I have confidence. but in my case “faith” has an extra element of humor in it when I use it because it implies there is a supernatural element in my confidence. im a technologist, I work with highly complex over engineered systems that I am frequently surprised work at all, so I think it‘s funny.
Faith and belief are certainly the most dangerous cognitive traps . There is nothing more dangerous than a man or women of Faith.
It’s an antisocial mental illness that refuses evidence based thinking in favor of prejudice and dogma.
Doubt ! Doubt everything and demand evidence , and even when the evidence is useful continue to question.
Right?
That’s us at our best!
That’s what drives our creative and inventive capacity .
It's a matter of defining our words, isn't it? We make a distinction between religious faith, which means believing things for which there is no evidence, or the evidence is contrary, and the faith we use in normal life, which is the equivalent of having confidence in something or someone, because we have good reasons for it.
I have faith in my driving ability, my electrical repairs but not my plumbing skills, mostly in the airliners I ride in and in my kids. Some Sky fairy? Nawwww...
I don't - usually have the word faith in my personal vocabulary and can't remember a time when i actually used it at all except when I had a friend who was saddled with all the names
'Faith Hope Charity Wise.'
But what use is Faith ? If you have faith that a chair will bear your weight and then it doesn't and you hurt yourself its the same end result as you not bothering with faith.
it is easy to dismiss Abrahams's "faith" and hence dismiss the Bible without realizing that the Bible plainly shows Abraham having so little "faith" that he went and slept with Hagar. Iow a conundrum is deliberately introduced that is not an accident, yet a religious person would never even entertain this convo, see
And the new testament chapter that most applauds his faith- Hebrews 11, (the "faith chapter" ) is on the most twisted of terms. The author explains that his faith was exemplary because he was willing to kill his son (when he heard voices) and that this faith included the reasoning that after he murdered his own offspring, that god could raise his son from the dead (Heb 11:17-19).
@KingofHarts well i would read that in the context of his peers offering their children to Molech, and understand that sacrificing Isaac was never going to be asked; and even sacrificing the ram is condemned elsewhere. "I desire mercy, not sacrifice."
@KingofHarts but fwiw i would abandon the religious interp entirely, and examine the passage as mythology. Don't think of Abe and Isaac as individual people iow
Abraham was a fictional character.