Whether it's okay with me is beside the point.

But I doubt you want to be entertained. Entertainment means engaging with the material. If you wish to engage it on nothing more than the most surface level, go for it.

But recognizing themes and subtext is, in my estimation, better entertainment.

The best art is made with intent. Sometimes the intent is to talk about the world we live in.

If doing so gives you the thinky-hurts, and if discussing the outside world doesn't interest you, then what the fuck are you doing on this thread?

@Toonman I have moments when I feel I could do without politicizing anything. Watching si-fi/action/superhero films is one of those moments.

@Ryo1

Who cares what you could do without? It's there. The people who made it said so.

And even if they didn't say so, it's still there. It isn't subtext. It's text.

If you wish not to see it, then ignore it and enjoy all the spandex and explodey bits.

The rest of us find it entertaining because it's there.

And since it's there, we'll be discussing it here.

And if that bothers you, too bad.

You can take your whiny ass someplace else.

@Ryo1

I get the feeling you're just another one of those guys who views his own concerns as "normal". If the issues affect people other than you, that's when they become "political".

You're just another crewman on the Battlestar Pathetica.

Captain America Civil War revolves around unilaterality versus consensus. A political issue, and literally the conflict that moves the story.

Avengers Infinity War and Endgame revolve around eugenics and genocide. These are also political issues and literally the engines that drive the plot.

X-men is about a marginalized group being "othered" by a government. A political issue and literally the conflict that moves the story.

I could go on, but Bruce Davison is about to turn all blobby....

Dont want it political? Good luck avoiding it.

All you have to do is read some of the comics, or rewatch the stuff you have seen.

It's not subtext. It's text.

Or you could read interviews with the creators of the media in question. They state in no uncertain terms what the work is about.

If the absolutes are there in the work, it's because those who did it did so by design.

One of these days you're going to say something intelligent in spite of yourself.

Superman was created by two Jewish cats, and was initially understood to be Semitic.
It wasn't until Shuster and Seigel left the strip that he became the white Savior.
He was a blatant defender of the underclass and the marginalized, fighting crooked landlords, dirty cops, and protecting those who had been hurt by the Great Depression.

On the Superman radio show, he fought the Ku Klux Klan.

He was what MAGA turd-munchers today would call an SJW.

Superman isn't a fantasy of having power. He's a fantasy about what power would be like if the person with the power was good.

@Toonman SJW ?

@Fernapple Social Justice Warrior

As many people know the concept of the Superman originated with Friedrich Nietzsche in Thus Spake Zarathustra. The Nazi misappropriated the concept to justify genocide.

It is my understanding that Nietzsche's notion of a Superman did not reside in evolution in a genetic sense of the word, more of a transcendence of man, as in striving for a state of excellence. It seems to me that Nietzsche and Darwin had different notions with regard to the evolution of man.

As far as I know Nietzsche never denied Darwin's claims of change and adaptations. I could be wrong but it seems to me that Nietzsche was advocating going beyond the notions of a dualistic metaphysics and there is no reference in his works to suggest that his views were based in the Darwinian Theory of Evolution.

@ASTRALMAX

Seigel and Shuster didn't give a damn about Nieztche.

@Toonman Who knows? Ironically, in real life they were financially screwed by the type of characters that their fictional creation would have fought against.

@ASTRALMAX

Who knows? Seigel and Shuster knew. They themselves said their Superman was not an allusion the the Ubermensch.

They should know.

The rest of your comment is just one giant letter from Planet Duh.

@Toonman So you say and do you have any link or article to validate your statement ?

@ASTRALMAX

I do.

Anybody who has read both Nieztche an Superman comics knows that Nieztche's Ubermensch and the comic book Superman have nothing in common.

This Wikipedia article mentions Nieztche nowhere in the section about the character's creation, but does mention several other very specific influences. If Nieztche was one of them, it would be in the article.

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Most of the left isn't even left. They're centrists.

It's just that a lot of the right are such assholes they think anybody to the left of them is a communist.

A lot of them reside on this very platform.

@Toonman There are certainly a few trolls and idiots on here. They should just be ignored at all costs. When you constantly go back and forth with them you are giving them what they want. One called @Beachslim comes to mind. Just ignore him.