But it is Russians who are doing the actual invading, and Russian troops who've been killing civilians. Politicians can order all they like, but without a military willing to carry out those orders, they won't get their way.

@Paul4747 If you are a service man/woman, your willingness to or not to do anything doesn't count. They are to obey orders. Russian troops have been brainwashed, too.

@Ryo1 Hopefully, there will be a tipping point soon. At least they had orders to obey, unlike those cowardly enablers of a certain wanna-be dictator POS we all know and hate.

@JackPedigo There are so many nuances I can't know or understand to form firm opinions. It's complicated! But one thing for sure is that Russians are led by a former KGB officer. Lies were a powerrful tool of the KGB during the Soviet era. Lies were only condemned if they didn't work.

@Ryo1 I wasa soldier, and one of the lines you don't cross is killing civilians. If you're a decent and honorable person anyway. An illegal order is no order at all.

@Ryo1 Unfortunately, lies are still a powerful tool an, many in our country are trying to learn from Putin and the KGB tactics.

@Paul4747 Yes but they are not soldiers, most of them are half trained kids, and they are told, that they are not engaged in a war, but a policing action to hunt down fascists and NATO agents in the Ukraine. And when they don't find any, because there are not hardly any, and those very few that there may have been, would have gone to ground at the first sign of the Russians, and the kids would not know how to tell the difference anyway, they still have to fill their quota, to prove to those in charge that they have killed or captured the expected numbers of fascists. So to make up the numbers, they just grab anybody, shoot them and then say. "That's a fascist/NATO agent/spy."

Novichuk is the stuff!