Who sez jebzuz suffered? That was just good acting. (if it ever actually happened).

Well, I don't think that's a fair comparison. Giving labor is something all animals are going through. That's a normal part of being female. In my eyes the suffering over the ages is the repression by the other (male) half of humanity. Being put in a position of second rank. If you realize that, giving birth to a child (which should be the choice of herself mainly and never forced) is nothing related to that.
And if you think about the pain is, caused by nailing at a cross, think of all those people, men and women that were tortured, branded, burnt by the inquisition in the middle ages in Europe.

Barker can preach! Live him!!

I first heard the Lenny Bruce comment from my history prof some 35 years ago while in a Roman catacomb. One thing to be noted is that thousands were executed in this manner. In 75 ACE so many Jews were crucified it is said one could not see the horizon for all the hanging bodies. I wonder how many women were crucified? I noted this truism came from Dan Barker, co-president of FFRF.

There’s no logic to the crucifixion narrative. Jesus would have died at some point, as we all do. Being nailed to a cross was just the common method of execution at the time.

If some modern person were put to death because of their teachings, and zealots made up a religion about it, then future followers might take to wearing golden hypodermic needles around their necks.

TRUE. powerful image too.

Millions of girls are brutally sexually mutilated along with many more millions of baby boys are painfully victims of 4 square inch amputated prepuce flesh. ...zero medical reasons ever exist for this crime of faith

Billions of women have been raped with shaman or clergy approval and zero alleged female or male gawds have protected a single woman in all of religious history

There was no alleged baby god crucified surviving attempted execution ANY PALESTINIAN WEEKEND. ....the alleged Josephus "history" was an addenda forgery. ...human sacrifice faiths are false and evil ALL SUCH FAITHS are versions of banned cannibalism

Very true... i listen to Alice Cooper... he said it all in a song," Only Women Bleed."

Christianity always "puffs" the suffering of the Cross by adding mystical / spiritual elements to it, epitomized by the Aramaic quote of Jesus on the cross, "Eli, eli, lama sabacthani?" (My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?) They ask you to imagine god being separated from god for the first time -- as little sense as that makes.

In Catholicism this culminates in what I term "suffering porn". Look at how their art, historically, glorifies suffering and agony, and how their theology has generally encouraged people to perform things like self-flagellation, the infliction of deliberate discomfort (e.g., hair shirts), etc. as a means to gain merit with god through the "mortification of the flesh". Even the weird concept of aceticism, which basically treats human evil as a thing-in-itself somehow physically located in our bodies, hence the need for self-loathing and death and resurrection.

But Barker is right: all this frantic, florid contemplation of special pleading for Jesus' suffering is still extremely finite and cannot touch the sum total of human suffering in the years since the alleged crucifixion -- much less the total in human history. And more suffering does nothing to address suffering in any event. In addition, all attempts to make suffering ennobling rather than diminishing ultimately fail.

Dunno. Dying on a cross is pretty bad. But it didn't happen and Jesus never existed.