It may be semantics, but I'm curious as to what everyone's position is on what cheating means to you.
As others have stated, cheating is breaking agreements within a relationship. If you agree to be monogamous and then pursue relationships outside of the one you're currently in, that's cheating. However, it's not cheating if you've both agreed that seeing other people is fine. Different folks have different levels of comfort when it comes to romantic endeavors which is why communication is key to avoiding any misunderstandings.
If you lie the relationship may just die.
Cheating is when you don't tell, and lead your mate to believe you are being true. Being open and honest allows your mate to decide whether to accept the behavior or leave. Being dishonest takes away that choice and leaves the mate feeling duped and laughed at for their naivety.
All sorts of descriptions, but from my viewpoint, cheating is when you lie, regardless of what you are doing, when you have to lie, you have cheated....
And why is the assumption that "cheating," has to do with sex ? There is any number of ways you can cheat on someone....and it comes back to the "LIE."
Cheating is about breaknng agreements. If you both agreed to be monogamous, then it is cheating. If you you have agreed otherwise it's not. There are many ways to cheat depending on what agreements are understood between the people involved.
Exactly what he said.
Don't promise fidelity, if you cannot be faithful. Don't promise honesty if you cannot tell the truth.
Period.
Any attempt at qualifying or explaining is nothing but justification for being a lying asshole. It's not that hard.
Well that's a rather strong opinion.
I won't stay in a relationship that isn't working out, and I'm always honest. I haven't honored every commitment I've ever made, neither have my partners, but I don't know that it makes us all assholes; situations change, especially over the years.
I also don't care what people think about me, I suppose. I'll take care of myself, as a self-imposed requirement. If that makes me selfish, so be it. I will opt for being selfish and happy, rather than not selfish and miserable. It's best for me AND my partner, because if I'm miserable, I guarantee my partner will be, too.
If you are honest and not manipulating anyone, then there's nothing to worry about. That's the thing: be honest and make sure people genuinely are ok and comfortable with what is happening (people being your partners).
Open relationships have to be agreed upon by both parties, with clear boundaries established in advance.
As long as both agree and are participating, there's no cheating involved.
I never forgot an architect/photographer in Lexington, KY, who said he had divorced his wife for cheating on him, remarking, "If she'd told me she wanted an open relationship, it would have been fine, but she did it behind my back, and that betrayed my trust in her."
Later on, he gave me this speech;
"It's been years since I've been with a woman, or found someone interesting enough to want to be with the rest of my life, but you seem to be that person. We can just be dance partners, be friends with benefits, have an open relationship, or have a monogamous one, whatever you want."
I was floored and nearly cried..I'd never heard anything so wonderful in my life. I opted for monogamous friends with benefits, and we got together most weekends to dance the night away and more.
If everyone is open and upfront about their relationships, the answer is no.
I've been in several open relationships where the man had someone on the side without telling me. When you betray your partner's trust it doesn't matter what the status of your relationship is (open or closed); it's still cheating. What I fail to understand is why would they lie about something when they don't have to? Makes the betrayal worse if you ask me.
Well said!
I would consider it cheating whether I was told about it or not. Unless you tell your partner from the get go, "Hey, don't expect monogamy from me," it's a selfish and very mean thing to do. It's playing games with another person's head.
It may signify the end of a relationship, but I don't agree that it's playing games or a mean thing. Selfish, maybe, but I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing; depends on the situation. It's one reason I refuse to be in a non-open relationship.
I was just answering the question you asked. If I believed I was in a committed relationship with someone I cared about and who I believed cared about me, finding out that they were sharing their feelings with another person would upset me whether I was told by that person or found out through another source.
That's between the partners. If the other honestly does not care then no, but if they do then it will be cheating in their head.
To me, in my relationship, it would be cheating. If I knew or was told about it, I would be gone...
I didn't vote because this isn't quite black and quite as you have set it up. As others have said, I think just being honest about an external relationship doesn't make it NOT cheating. If they disapprove, it's still cheating, just not lying and cheating.
If you in an exclusive relationship with someone then, Yes, you would an honest cheater. If you are not in an exclusive relationship then, No, I would say you are not cheating.
If the relationship is open then it isn't cheating. Cheating is when you promise a commitment to a monogamous relationship (or some other limitations) and you break it. People who cheat will often keep secrets and lie about cheating. So it all boils down to taking advantage of a person's trust and breaking it. If they are open from the start about their other relationships, it's not cheating, but if you're with them for a year and they admit to having another relationship when you've been under the impression that the relationship was monogamous, that's cheating.
I'm not sure of the definition of "partner" if you're having other relationships. If you aren't exclusive, I don't know how there's cheating. Could be more about rubbing someone's face in the fact that they're not the only one.
Agree with you on that.
You are polling us.... what is cheating to you?
That's a good question.
I voted no. ?
@MollyBell I didn't voted, do that certify me as a cheater or I still need to confess?
@GipsyOfNewSpain Somehow I think you may already have. ?
@MollyBell phew, that was a close one! But all you needed to do was ask my ex wife. She will tell you I wrote more beautiful things to my lovers than to her. That she couldn't stand. But I never had a mistress! So it was easy to call her bluff. She is working on marriage nr 3. I continue writing to women without any fear.
I think cheating is a matter of betrayal of trust.
You have a relationship that both parties knew was open, and both parties are happy to be open, then tell then the truth and you're not cheating - but honesty means nothing if your parner is expecting monogamy.
It's just like saying 'do I stop being a thief if I'm honest about the fact that I steal?'
It's betrayal of reasonable expectation that makes you a cheat - not whether you 'come clean'.
I find it interesting that cheat, in this context, only applies to fidelity. People don't keep all their commitments, and that includes everyone on the planet, but I'm certain every single person doesn't consider themselves a cheat.
Unless your partner approves of an open relationship then anything that violates the relationship is cheating. I think too often no one discusses it, we each have our idea of what the relationship is and we feel violated because we are following the rules we think are in place while our partner is operating under a different set of rules.
I agree, and the rules should be laid out at the onset of a relationship. Each relationship takes its own course, but I cannot stand jealousy in any form. Sure, she is going to deal with men, I am going to deal with women. It is great to window shop, as long as you know where to buy the goods.
I would always be truthful to her that's how we have stayed together 30yrs but we haven't had sex in 13/14yrs
I won't coment because there are all kinds of happiness and who are we to judge others choices? I salute you and your partner.