Their ideologies are not the same....simple as that. The Tories are much the same...splits are appearing in all the parties. My only concern is that they have chosen the worst possible time to leave, and yes they will probably lose their seats at the next election, I’m sure they realise that there’s a good chance of that, but they were probably going to be deselected by the party anyway. The real problem is that JC is not popular with a large swathe of middle of the road voters, and he is unlikely to win the next election unless he can widen his appeal from his left wing base.

@Marionville What is it that they dislike? I find it hard to understand. I also find it hard to understand why they think their dislike for one person matter enough to affect their vote.

@CeliaVL You would have ask them that, but I think there is a long list.

Nobody knows what’s happening...the Lib.Debs want a second Referendum I think.

Can he win a General Election though?.. that is the question. He is undeniably popular with large numbers of labour voters, but that’s not enough on its own. He should be wiping the floor with the Tories at the moment but he’s not. Both parties are in a complete shambles and JC isn’t bringing his party together any more than TM is doing with hers. Conviction politician he no doubt is, but his convictions are not winning him friends in the country as a whole....and politics is about winning elections, otherwise you will be in permanent opposition.

@Marionville That's what people said during the last election and then they couldn't believe how close the race was. Labour have been canvassing, the new members are going door to door and actually talking to people. The media in this country is so biased to the right it is incredible, a complete propaganda campaign for by the uber-rich. I think this split is just part of that. If you think that the majority of the Labour Party aren't behind Corbyn you're swallowing that bile.

@Marionville I have to agree. Conviction is great in opposition but not so hot when in government!

@Charlotte I didn’t say the “party”. I said the “country”. It’s not enough to have the party behind him, he needs the voters behind him too in order to win a General Election...that I don’t think he has in great enough numbers.

Yes..true, but that seems like baying at the moon!

He is a complete disaster for the Labour Party and the country.

I had forgotten that....there will be a by-Election for that constituency,

@Marionville As well as a selection process to go through by the Chukka 7 in the inevitable forthcoming general election.

@Grumpy Yes...of course.

It’s already a complete shambles....there is no cohesion in any of the parties over Brexit... just another new twist to the ever-changing, never-ending, soap opera that is Westminster...more drama there than on any TV programme!

I’m not too sure...Corbyn is not popular in the country as a whole, you have to be able to bring people over to your point of view to win elections and that would be almost impossible for him...even his own party supporters are not all with him.

Denial won't fix any problems. Do you think for example that if Corbyn should have been more publicly supportive of the Cooper amendment?

And,..where will that lead?

@Marionville who ever they back in the next vote

@Simon1 I really don’t think money has much to do with it in this case.

@Marionville you sure about that ?

@Simon1 Where on earth are you getting your fake news from?

@Marionville It's the same news I've seen, they have not registered as a political party, so they don't have to show where their funding comes from.

@Marionville [mirror.co.uk]
But it's early days, they might register properly later. Doesn't look great though.

@Charlotte I think there is a bit of mischief making to make them show them in a bad light...they have been out of step with the Labour leadership for some time....I can see a reason why some would want to discredit them. Everything seems to be in a state of uncertainty at the moment and nothing would surprise me about anything any more...so who knows? Btw...I believe nothing I read in the Daily Mail, Express, Mirror or Sun....they are all rags.