How do you handle someone reminding you of your Alcohol or drug endused mistakes ? I'm looking for defusing and healthy comments that have a firm but respectful approach. I have plenty of self destructive responses that land them in the hospital but me in jail. Any sincere advice would be appreciated. Thank you ...
Along with substances, I was also addicted to the stress hormones released in toxic relationships. These relationships also gave me reasons to use because they pointed out my flaws and fed my self doubt. Get the fuck away. People who constantly point out your mistakes (especially in times of personal growth) are likely triggers and were probably on some level addicted to the turbulence of the relationship themselves. I get the want or need for that acknowledgement, but they are honestly unstable on some level themselves. Fuck 'em.
There will always be people that will never believe I've healed the symptoms of my tramas that caused me to do self harm and in turn, harm unto others. I accept that. What I don't accept is those same people, essentially "poking me" just to say "see, I told hasn't changed" when they get a negative response from me. What I'm asking the group for are rational rebuttals. Not emotional reactions. Thank you all for taking the time. Even if what you said, has no relevance to me, I appreciate the effort.
If you made amends for the mistake remind them of that and say you are grateful you don't have to live that way anymore. If you have not made amends for the mistake (or made sufficient amends) then do so - with the help of another member of your program. Also, I don't recommend making an amend before cleaning house in the way outlined by your program. Doing so is asking for more trouble.
I don't abide by the AA construct so alot of your terminology, as well intended as it is, is actually the opposite of what I need. Thank you though.
@Fibonacci1618 For me, it boils down to the idea that if someone else has to change for me to be OK, I'm screwed. I'm at the mercy of fools.
@mrtvsmith now that was beautifully said sir, thanks.
Still dealing with this...from fam I think I always will.
I hope something I said helps.
for you
Thank you, excatly the type of stuff I'm looking for.
I usually say something along the lines of, "That kind of shit is one reason I quit," or, "Yeah, I was a different person when I was trapped in the hell pit," or, "Shut the fuck up."
Really, I don't have a lot of time for people who try to bring me down with shit from the past. Wallowing in it by letting them control the conversation does me absolutely no good. That's why I think that, in most cases, "making amends" is a bunch of crap. Getting clean and sober is my amends. I can't move beyond that period of my life if I keep going back to it.
The best amends I can continue to make for the people who truly matter in my life is to remain clean and sober and move my life forward with a genuine smile on my face, and that is exactly what I focus on. Some may think of that as being selfish; I don't care. Being too worried about what others think was always part of my problem (ironically.)
That doesn't mean I never talk about it. I will occasionally tell an embarrassing, self-deprecating story from those days, talk about how deep the hole was that I was in, or discuss how it nearly killed me -- if it's appropriate and relevant. I just don't spend a whole lot of time there. Looking and moving ahead is far more useful, important, and therapeutic.
I don't know if this helps you or not. I just don't deal with such people for very long. If they won't be respectful, I walk away and, if necessary, cut them out of my life. I don't need people dragging me down when standing tall is so vitally important to my recovery.
I absolutely agree. The most dangers thing is reminding someone of their mistakes. Some people need the guilt, some people need the shame to keep them in line. I fucking don't. That shit is for them to feel better. The pain I had to live through and the pain I caused myself was my punishment. I don't accept the need for it to continue. That frame for mind reminds me of patronizing and religious bullshit.i don't have guilt or shame. Those were the emotions that lead me to be self distructive. Ihave regret. I have understanding of the damage. But I think that kind of behavior is just passive aggressive way of saying "I don't accept your current happiness or growth." And to that I say, I don't. I accept that they don't accept. As an analogy, wake up every morning and call yourself stupid. Sooner or later, you're going to believe it. Well, to that I say, I was doing stupid things, but stupid I am not. Until that switch occurs, you will believe that you are stupid and that there is nothing that you can do to change it. And that's just not true. Fact is I don't validate the disease terminology. I'm not a leaky faucet, that needs constant maintenance.
I really like the "shut the fuck up" option. anyone who intentionally reminds you of your struggles is the one who really needs to look into personal growth, and just let it remind you how far you have made it.
Reduce or discontinue time spent with such negative people.
The best way I've found to make amends is by living a better life actions speak louder than words once you've done that then people will be more accepting of your apologies
Not all people, but I get where you're going with it
Well, I think you grab the bull by the horns and explain how right they are and then go on to say how far you've come. we all make mistakes in life. I always talk about my past, warts and all. I used to drink and wake up wet where I had pissed myself and all sorts of things like that. get in there first and remind them I say and do.
I appreciate everyone's comments, thank you. I have learned during this process that passivity does not work, but neither does violence. Finding the proper volume is difficult for me mostly because of my introvertedness, and of course the lack of emotional couping skills that usually accompanies destructive behavioral patterns. To quote a philosopher: "0-100 real quick!" Having the ability to pull a thoughtful response out of my "pocket" instead of my fist is exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you everyone for your replies. Be good to yourself and others.
In my life I’ve learned that when people repeatedly hurt me, I tell them plainly what they are doing, to give them a chance to change. If they discount/dismiss me, or repeat the behavior, i walk away, and try to stay away.
Have you told them this is not helping you? Sometimes others will try to bring you back into old behaviors. If they can't hear what you need you may need to cut them out of your life or at least limit the time you spend with them. Keep those fists in your pockets and good luck man.
Making such a change might mean leaving some people behind. Those that make your struggle harder or are just toxic in general need to go.
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