Yea, our government learned it from some of the best, out of history of the rest.

I still scoff. They were trained in the US, just like many Arabs have been educated in the states. Does that make America responsible for all the terrorism committed by the Muslim world?

@barjoe Yes. Just about!

@barjoe no, that can be placed on all the countries that have and are participating in the illegal warring from 2001 to the present. Whether that also be funding and or weaponizing the various countries now engaged in wars over there. Our military isn't the only one that trains other countries troops to be terrorist. Or law enforcement.

@barjoe who is they? By who? Come on barjoe, you have to be coherent for me. I'm fairly dumb. Are you insinuating that Israel and Saudi Arabia can be provoked by the US, or the US provoked by them.

I'll argue that with the history of Israel having been caught spying on the white house on multiple occasions with no due process of being reprimanded isn't a sign of being provoked. Ties to 9/11----nothing. Also well known they work with some of the law enforcement agencies here in the US. They're wrapped up tight into our intelligence agencies and have complete access to our 911 system and other security companies and systems within corporations. They have one if not thee largest private military companies on the planet provide services as such. If you need a place to secure from a potential enemy army they'll provide it. No one needs to provoke them to commit genocide on Palestinian's or attack Iran. They just do it at will.

Saudi Arabia was provoked into funding and supporting terrorist to commit 9/11? You're further out their in what some consider a conspiracy theorist action than I am. While I'll admit I think our government covered it up, I haven't quite been out there that far to say they were completely part of it. Yemen is in the same line as Palestine here. I'm fairly certain Saudi Arabia managed that on their own. Killing and dismembering a journalist inside a Turkish embassy to a point of liquefying him? No, they have had their own means of brutal humans rights infractions probably at least since 1932. In which there's a centuries long history of conquering others to get to that founding date. Might want to ask the British how that all worked out.

@William_Mary Radical Islamic Terrorists. The 19 Arab Muslims who blew up The Towers. Among others. That's who "They" are. Muslims. Jihadis. Go ahead, side with them. This is an Atheist website, but don't criticize a religion of savage animals, Islam.

@barjoe

Taking note here. barjoe is just here to waste my time and has no genuine interest to be a productive member of the group within intellectual means. He just wants to be seen having nothing substantial to mention or add to group discussion. Ignore barjoe.

@William_Mary You want to frame Hamas and Iran as victims and call it an intellectual discussion. You just want to show how woke you are by siding with Jihadis and framing the US and Israel as the terrorists. Any disagreement with that is wasting your time. Get whoever you influence to ignore me. That okay.

@barjoe but for America & Israel there probably would be no Hamas, ISIS or Taliban.

@barjoe if you know the history of Iran beginning with British attempts to control their oil reserves, can you begin your analysis from there? As Iran broke free of British control and installed their own democratic elections via a revolution? Iran was a vassal state being manipulated first by the Brits until the 70's when the US stepped in. You might remember how the US was funding and weaponizing both Iran and Iraq during their war in secret? Which lead to another crime, Iran-Contra?

Seriously, if you can provide any time that Iran perpetrated any attacks on the US abroad or in their region, feel free to bring them up. At what point would you become tired of being used as a vassal from your neighbor? Or deceitful partner? I think it's fair to say victim here. Israel played a role in this illusive relationship also. [consortiumnews.com]

I will argue anything Iran done was out of defense and self preservation for their society that outside interferences forced them into. You would deny yourself the right to defend yourself from your neighbor as you seemingly deny Iran to protect their society? What actions has Iran committed that have been anywhere near as harsh as the US and Israel have dealt them, to anyone? Other than the terrorist they have helped us fight against? Then again be betrayed afterwards. Quite frankly, how are you missing the cycle of mistreatment here by western nations?

As far as Hamas goes. Again, if you can give us some examples of them perpetrating any illegal actions of aggression outside of defending the various societies they attempt to help when so people are facing offensive brutality from established western entities, feel free to provide that opinion.