For those of you who went from being religious to atheist, have you noticed that philosophy has ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 31, 2020:

What makes you think we're all atheists? AGNOSTICS.COM

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@RoboGraham @Zoltans_Queen I was responding to this: "There aren't just agnostics here. I used the word atheist because I'm asking atheists, not agnostics. I want the opinions of people who have made the full conversion" To me, that sounded like OP was saying agnosticism was on the continuum between theism and atheism.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@FearlessFly The 'I' statement seemed to carry with it an air of moral superiority or, at minimum, some shit talk about a business that isn't much different than many other businesses here. I'm sorry, but I heard it the same way I hear people say, "Oh, I don't even * have * a television" like it makes them so superior to us lowly cretins that can be entertained by such nonsense. People actually have ZERO control over their feelings. What would make you think you can control how you feel about something? I had a woman a work tell me she could choose how she feels about things. She actually told me I should choose to feel differently about something bad that happened in my life. It took every ounce of restraint in my body not to tell her she should just choose to be happy about her father sexually abusing her child which caused a fight between her and her husband that resulted in her divorce. Feelings are involuntary. I am not saying I have none. I'm saying that I strive to have none, and I have none that I am aware of. If someone points one out to me, I immediately rectify it (which just happened a couple months ago on Nextdoor). If you can point any out for me I would appreciate the opportunity to fix them.

The danger of believing in fairy-tales; as crazy as if, you felt that you could fly, because in the ...

DavidLaDeau comments on Oct 31, 2020:

This is very sad, he was a victim. Religion poisons everything. About two years ago there was a story of a similar zelot in which I caught a lot of backlash from atheist when I made this video. https://youtu.be/1321vnwn-Ww

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@DavidLaDeau Some people believe admonishment and scorn are valuable tools in shaping beliefs and behaviors. People worry about how they'll come off or be remembered. If they'll bring shame to their family. It's obviously not effective on everyone or preventive of all negative behaviors for those that do, but it is a tool that can have a positive effect. If making fun of [religious] idiocy can save even one person from a terrible fate, it seems like a small price to pay. Maybe you're fine with more people dying for the sake of being polite to those that are responsible for their deaths, but I'm not.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@FearlessFly Both of the hospitals I've worked for have anti-union policies. Tons of businesses do, yet I still work for and patronize them. I think it would be near impossible for me to only patronize businesses that are union, but I'm not sure if that's true everywhere. Whether or not you take responsibility is not what I'm talking about. I'm taking about behaving without contradictions, which to me is an important thing. For instance, I can't condemn someone for mistreating dogs while I contribute to the mistreatment of tons of other animals on a daily basis. It's not a popular opinion to think Michael Vick was treated incredibly unfairly, but it's required of me to not be a hypocrite. So while you can't force someone to feel or take responsibility if they do, I can't help but to point out what is most likely an incongruent belief/behavior.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

AnneWimsey comments on Nov 1, 2020:

In CT you can report them(the store) to the Health Dept, which can impose fines & citations. The life you save may be your own! They are supposed to ask them to put on a mask or exit the store. Tomorrow i am making a call about the startling number of drive-in window servers wearing a mask below...

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@AmyTheBruce @AnneWimsey

For those of you who went from being religious to atheist, have you noticed that philosophy has ...

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Humans are an accident. Any singularity that occurs will most likely find no need for us, especially if it is ultimately driven by AI. The thought that there's any goal or conclusion especially as it relates to human life is, frankly, just as nonsensical as the beliefs of the religious.

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen You understand where I'm coming from though. You agreed that we'd no longer be of any use because of traits X, Y, and Z and then wish that it would exhibit all those exact same traits. To me it sounded like the mental gymnastics believers go through to maintain their world view despite all evidence to the contrary. I know you said you need something, but maybe, over time, you'll be able to give this up too?

For those of you who went from being religious to atheist, have you noticed that philosophy has ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 31, 2020:

What makes you think we're all atheists? AGNOSTICS.COM

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen @RoboGraham While this has been argued to death here with numerous differing opinions, a fair number of people believe atheism deals with what you believe and agnosticism deals with what can be known. So someone who doesn't believe in god, but recognizes that it's impossible to know whether one exists would be an agnostic atheist. Someone who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but knows you can't know if god actually exists would be an agnostic Christian. They are completely independent of each other. It would be like asking if someone is old or male.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Walmart placing third in Covid-19 spreading sites just behind Church which is way behind Trump rallies. I don't shop there.

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Willow_Wisp Sorry, thought you actually read that somewhere. I get it now.

The danger of believing in fairy-tales; as crazy as if, you felt that you could fly, because in the ...

DavidLaDeau comments on Oct 31, 2020:

This is very sad, he was a victim. Religion poisons everything. About two years ago there was a story of a similar zelot in which I caught a lot of backlash from atheist when I made this video. https://youtu.be/1321vnwn-Ww

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@DavidLaDeau No, you're just blind to the fact that I have empathy for the truly blameless, the non-brainwashed victims of the brainwashing victims.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@barjoe That's my point. If a store won't do their part to tell customers to follow the rules and tell law enforcement when they don't, there won't be any trespassing charges...

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

AmyTheBruce comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I think that it's an Americans with Disabilities Act thing... They're afraid of lawsuits. If someone claims to have a disability that prevents them from wearing a mask (though I am hard-pressed to imagine a disability that would simultaneously prevent mask-wearing AND allow one to browse the ...

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@AmyTheBruce Literally, no. I asked several nurses I work with too, an no one could think of a scenario where not wearing a mask would be more beneficial than wearing one. If the condition of your lungs is so bad you can't breathe without a mask on you should probably be in the hospital but definitely shouldn't be risking getting a potentially devastating respiratory disease which would very likely be a death sentence.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@barjoe Then they must enforce. There's no way for the cops to bust people of the stores refuse to do their parts, inform the customers they are breaking policy, and alert the authorities...

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@barjoe By me, there's people in every store without masks, so it doesn't much matter where you shop. I only commented on Walmart because a few months ago they were leading the way in enacting restrictions that our fuckstick president was too stupid to, and now they pull this shit. Trump signs outnumber Biden 8:1 out here. There are so many Trump supporters, businesses find it valuable to place huge Trump signs in front of their stores. Shit is cray. I would not be at all surprised if he wins Ohio and the EC.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Walmart placing third in Covid-19 spreading sites just behind Church which is way behind Trump rallies. I don't shop there.

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@barjoe I don't see a manner in which I can boycott Walmart, afford to live, and be logically consistent, so until someone can figure that out for me, I'll still go there. And as for big box stores at least they didn't need to be bribed to stop supporting anti-gay causes like Target.

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@barjoe See, I had a dude claim they treated their employees like shit with low wages and such so he wouldn't support the store while he was literally opening a bag from Burger King. If you don't want to support one thing or another because of perceived injustices, that's fine, but if you are acting with contradictions, it's kinda shitty to try to make others feel bad for their actions when you don't actually hold any moral authority.

The danger of believing in fairy-tales; as crazy as if, you felt that you could fly, because in the ...

DavidLaDeau comments on Oct 31, 2020:

This is very sad, he was a victim. Religion poisons everything. About two years ago there was a story of a similar zelot in which I caught a lot of backlash from atheist when I made this video. https://youtu.be/1321vnwn-Ww

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

Well, I * did * watch the whole video, as painful as it was to get through, and I * still * think you are completely wrong. Doing something because you * think * it's the right thing to do shouldn't grant you some magical anti-mocking aura when said thing blows up in your face. Ya know, Hitler risked his life to do what he thought was the right thing to do, too. But the most important factor for me is that people who preach/indoctrinate/brainwash have the power to effect others' lives in catastrophic ways. Did him dying prevent him from corrupting others? Think about the person that corrupted him in a manner that ultimately lead to his death (and, as you pointed out, the potential deaths of those that killed him). The spread of misinformation can cause exponential damage, so maybe we * should * revel when a vein of it gets snuffed out. I, for one, hope every single religious person in the world tests the claims of their respective religions until they either die or realize it's all bullshit.

The danger of believing in fairy-tales; as crazy as if, you felt that you could fly, because in the ...

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Walking on water is not easy. Not too many people have the ability. Let’s see, there’s Jesus, and well, that’s about it. Unfortunately for one pastor on the West Coast of Africa, his attempt to become the second man to make this impossible feat a reality cost him his life. Pastor Franck ...

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Willow_Wisp Speaking of, why did the ladies love Jesus?

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

FearlessFly comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I"m proud to say I've never set-foot in any Walmart. :O

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

Why?

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Walmart placing third in Covid-19 spreading sites just behind Church which is way behind Trump rallies. I don't shop there.

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

How exactly do they think they know this?

I was in Walmart today and saw numerous people without masks.

AmyTheBruce comments on Nov 1, 2020:

I think that it's an Americans with Disabilities Act thing... They're afraid of lawsuits. If someone claims to have a disability that prevents them from wearing a mask (though I am hard-pressed to imagine a disability that would simultaneously prevent mask-wearing AND allow one to browse the ...

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

I agree. As a nurse that works in interventional pulmonology, I have never once heard a doctor recommend to any patient with lung diseases so severe many require transplantation that they should be maskless in public at any time for any reason nor have they documented as such in their chart or on a prescription pad. I do not believe requiring masks is a violation of said law.

For those of you who went from being religious to atheist, have you noticed that philosophy has ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 31, 2020:

What makes you think we're all atheists? AGNOSTICS.COM

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen A fair number of us do not believe in a conversion from agnostic to atheist, that they are mutually exclusive, or that they are even on the same continuum at all.

For those of you who went from being religious to atheist, have you noticed that philosophy has ...

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Humans are an accident. Any singularity that occurs will most likely find no need for us, especially if it is ultimately driven by AI. The thought that there's any goal or conclusion especially as it relates to human life is, frankly, just as nonsensical as the beliefs of the religious.

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen You think the AI will recognize traits like wastefulness, irrationality, and emotionality as things that should be dispatched, yet it will program itself to be empathetic, prone to make decisions based on pity (emotional and irrational), and wasteful in regards to humans and the resources needed to provide us an everlasting virtual paradise?

Is this the last weekend of America? [youtube.com]

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Why exactly do you need a healthy conservative party to be able to have a healthy liberal party?

ChestRockfield replies on Nov 1, 2020:

@Paul4747 As much as I hope you're right, I am almost certain you are not. We already see Democrats calling Trump out for treason or "flirting with treason" as one of the mainstream presidential candidates said. The difference, however, is that I don't know I'd call that rhetoric instead of factual observation. * If a store owner and a shop lifter both call each other a thief, those aren't equally valid or invalid statements. * But in no world do I see Republicans collectively growing a conscience, reversing course, and starting to play fair.

Is this the last weekend of America? [youtube.com]

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Why exactly do you need a healthy conservative party to be able to have a healthy liberal party?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 31, 2020:

@Diagoras I disagree. Any * person * achieving absolute power would. If America's democratic party consistently won elections because the GOP was so corrupt and terrible (but the electorate wasn't as terrible as it is) there would still be competition in the primary. The Democratic primary would, in essence, become the general and there would still be avid, valuable competition.

Pro-Choice Christians: [dailykos.com]

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 31, 2020:

I got about halfway through that article before I smacked myself in the face. The head of Catholics for Choice said that a majority of Catholics differ with THE POPE and his Papal Infallibility as it relates to abortion. Why the fuck do they still consider themselves Catholic if they so ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 31, 2020:

She's wrong. There's a pre research study about religion, prayer, religious service attendance, etc. and how it relates to views on abortion.

Pro-Choice Christians: [dailykos.com]

barjoe comments on Oct 31, 2020:

Too bad her parents weren't pro choice.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 31, 2020:

@BirdMan1 Pro Abortion!!

Well time to shut down at my office and go stock up on cans of soup and tuna fish to be prepared for...

BrianFey comments on Oct 30, 2020:

I am in the forest off the grid in Mexico. I have enough food to last 6 months, and rain capture to re-fill from rain and last indefinitely. The gardens or filling up with veggies. All I can do hope that regardless of the election results, people stay mellow. Best to leave the guns at home. Best...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 31, 2020:

@BrianFey My mistake. I read that more as the 'untraceable' meaning. That looks cool, is that like a vacation spot you run?

Well time to shut down at my office and go stock up on cans of soup and tuna fish to be prepared for...

BrianFey comments on Oct 30, 2020:

I am in the forest off the grid in Mexico. I have enough food to last 6 months, and rain capture to re-fill from rain and last indefinitely. The gardens or filling up with veggies. All I can do hope that regardless of the election results, people stay mellow. Best to leave the guns at home. Best...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 30, 2020:

He said in an online forum...

Advocates fear Barrett will strip away gay rights. It could begin next week.

xenoview comments on Oct 28, 2020:

First it will be gay rights, followed by interracial marriage. Then abortion will be on the chopping block.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 29, 2020:

@SeaRay215ex But that's not * really * the way it is. Yes it goes back to the states, but many states already have legislation on the books that immediately takes effect when Roe leaves. Plus, it's by the whole state. So the young girls in Houston and Dallas area having their reproductive rights trampled by the rest of the huge rural state.

Advocates fear Barrett will strip away gay rights. It could begin next week.

xenoview comments on Oct 28, 2020:

First it will be gay rights, followed by interracial marriage. Then abortion will be on the chopping block.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 29, 2020:

@SeaRay215ex The fear is not that rich and middle class, white, city-dwellers in progressive states are going to have trouble. These laws are needed to protect the most vulnerable: young, possibly minority females in rural areas with completely backward laws/values. So downplaying it as "all that happens" like it's not completely devastating for the populations that most need the protection is disingenuous and kind of a shitty thing to say.

There is blood on (Wall) street every day.

Sonja44 comments on Oct 28, 2020:

Doubtful. The majority of people see him as the vile blow hard that he is.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 28, 2020:

The majority of people? He has the highest average approval rating among own party of any president in the last 70 years.

There is blood on (Wall) street every day.

DenoPenno comments on Oct 28, 2020:

The stock market is possibly related to the economy if you are in the top 1 percent category. Otherwise it has very little at all to do with our economy and most of us do not know anyone who has stocks. If we do, they are not talking about having any stock.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 28, 2020:

@UrsiMajor Not really, not unless you're pulling all your money out. People who hold steady instead of panicking usually fully recover.

Poland abortion ruling sparks 'women's strike.

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 28, 2020:

Can you ask them to save any protest signs and supplies? The women here will need them very soon.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 28, 2020:

@floWteiuQ A lot of states have legislation on the books that will immediately make abortion illegal if Roe is overturned.

My mother was a devout catholic.

prometheus comments on Oct 28, 2020:

How was a new organ going to help keep the church open? Wrong priorities or just a scam? IMO a church needs an organ like a fish needs a bicycle. And if it really needs once, just buy a Yamaha keyboard for a couple of hundred bucks on eBay.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 28, 2020:

If you don't sing along to a real pipe organ you don't love Jesus.

Look closer, the sign reads: WEAR A MASK OR GO TO JAIL. Spanish flu, California 1918... 😷

girlwithsmiles comments on Oct 28, 2020:

There’s still someone with their nose sticking out lols!

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 28, 2020:

That was the first thing I noticed.

The only way to end rape culture is by replacing oppressive religious values with sexual freedom and...

kiramea comments on Oct 23, 2020:

The only way to end rape is to make the rapist responsible for their actions. I'm sick and tired of reading article after article about a rapist getting probation or getting off scott free.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 27, 2020:

@Deb57 I agree with almost everything said in response to the ridiculous claims made by Heavykevy, but I can't really agree with this. "Underage" is an arbitrary classification that varies significantly by location and circumstance. Would you consider a couple that can legally have sex in one location having it be classified as rape when they consensually had sex while on vacation in an area whose conservative laws deemed one of them underage? What about a couple whose ages allowed them to have sex one day, and then the very next day on one of their 18th birthdays made it a crime? It's not as black and white as you are suggesting. That said, I don't believe anything Trump has done would classify simply as sex with an underage woman. He's pretty open about being a disgusting sexual predator.

My cousin's son in law committed suicide.

Triphid comments on Oct 25, 2020:

Offer or show them that you condolences are truly heart-felt first, offer them hugs or your shoulder/s to lean on or cry on whilst you hug them, that you WILL be there for them when and where ever possible, offer to do the Grocery Shopping for them if you can I still remember how, when 10 days ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 26, 2020:

@Redheadedgammy Me too. I have said more times than I can count how blood being thicker than water is bullshit.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 25, 2020:

@Paul4747 Mine too, I suppose.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 25, 2020:

@Mvtt You just agreed three comments ago that disbelief is a lack of belief, but lack of belief is not always disbelief. "I agree with you. Disbelief is a refusal, per definition. Both are a lack of belief." So how would there not be the potential for someone's lack of belief to be misinterpreted as disbelief if they simply used 'atheist'?

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 25, 2020:

@Mvtt Unless you don't want your lack of belief to be misinterpreted as a disbelief... which brings us right back to the beginning: we can't even agree on the definitions of the words we use to define ourselves. And not for nothing, but statements that are necessarily statements of opinion/belief are often made as claims. So even though the statement 'I am an atheist' meaning 'I don't believe in god' is not a claim, it is often worded as 'gods do not exist' which is (as insupportable as it may be). Regardless, it still muddies the water further in our pursuit of a consensus.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Mvtt I think you could argue that disbelief is a lack of belief, but I don't know that you can claim a lack of belief is a disbelief. Wouldn't any person who doesn't know of something lack a belief in it? How can you believe in something you literally have no knowledge of? Would you say that same person disbelieves in that thing? I wouldn't.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Mvtt Where you don't see a distinction between 'disbelieves' and 'lacks belief' many others do. Which is my whole point. Even in one dictionary's definition of only one of the words you'll find disagreement. Add in other dictionaries' definitions and the other words, (let alone "personal" definitions) and you can see why there's no consensus. As for the claim part, there are many people on this very site, myself not included, that contend that stating a disbelief is the same as a claim that it doesn't exist.

I just found out why I have never known of an atheist eating dijon mustard.

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 24, 2020:

No Scotsman mixes wine in their mustard.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Word I'm not actually arguing. 😝 I didn't think you were being serious either.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Mvtt Exactly. None of us see what's disagreeable about our definitions of those words, yet we can't seem to reach any kind of consensus. Are atheist and agnostic mutually exclusive? Is one just a "stronger" version of the other? Can you be an agnostic theist? Even in the definition you posted there is ambiguity. Is 'atheism' an assertive claim that the person disbelieves in god(s), a claim that one simply lacks a belief, or both?

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

JackPedigo comments on Oct 22, 2020:

So we/they can be just like those they detest? Besides the Christian IRS will apply the rules against politicking especially against atheist groups. Sometimes groups just have to take the high road.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@JackPedigo If you really think the actions the same regardless of what you're fighting for, then yes. But that would mean shooting someone while robbing a store and shooting someone that's robbing your store are the same thing, no?

I just found out why I have never known of an atheist eating dijon mustard.

ChestRockfield comments on Oct 24, 2020:

No Scotsman mixes wine in their mustard.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Word That would be the follow up statement that highlights how fallacious the argument is...

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@Mvtt Have you not seen or participated in the countless posts here about the definitions of atheist, agnostic, etc?

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

JackPedigo comments on Oct 22, 2020:

So we/they can be just like those they detest? Besides the Christian IRS will apply the rules against politicking especially against atheist groups. Sometimes groups just have to take the high road.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@JackPedigo Except the race to the bottom is actually a race to the top. I guess we can just ask the handmaids how much they like their moral high ground in a decade... if they're allowed to talk.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

JackPedigo comments on Oct 22, 2020:

So we/they can be just like those they detest? Besides the Christian IRS will apply the rules against politicking especially against atheist groups. Sometimes groups just have to take the high road.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 24, 2020:

@JackPedigo I'm confused, if it's not the atheists per se, who is the "us" that shouldn't go low? My point is that the religious and the conservative/Republicans are fighting no-holds-barred, and we keep losing seats at the table because we're worried about accidentally using the salad fork on the appetizer. The point of taking the high road is that you lead by example and ultimately bring others along with you to improve the overall discourse/behavior/etc. But we see that's not working, so there's no reason to travel that road any longer. They looked at us up there and saw it as a sign of weakness they could exploit, and we're going to be suffering that for decades at the very minimum.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

JackPedigo comments on Oct 22, 2020:

So we/they can be just like those they detest? Besides the Christian IRS will apply the rules against politicking especially against atheist groups. Sometimes groups just have to take the high road.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 23, 2020:

@JackPedigo Atheists politicking to keep religion out of politics is not the same as religious people trying to mix it in, so it's not really the same thing... That aside, of we don't start playing the game, we're not going to have any power to do the right thing.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

Paul4747 comments on Oct 22, 2020:

If only organizing atheists weren't substantially more difficult than herding cats.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 22, 2020:

We can't even agree on the definitions of the words we use to define ourselves.

The Atheist organizations like FFRF need to get involved in Politics just the Christian Churches are...

JackPedigo comments on Oct 22, 2020:

So we/they can be just like those they detest? Besides the Christian IRS will apply the rules against politicking especially against atheist groups. Sometimes groups just have to take the high road.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 22, 2020:

Taking the high road got us where we are.

Pope calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples - CNN

OldMetalHead comments on Oct 21, 2020:

As much as I hate the catholic church for its many many abuses going back centuries, I think this is good news. Anything that can influence intolerant people to be more tolerant is a net gain for humanity.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

@OldMetalHead She won't be the last. She might not even be the only one that wins this election cycle. And yes, terrifying.

Pope calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples - CNN

OldMetalHead comments on Oct 21, 2020:

As much as I hate the catholic church for its many many abuses going back centuries, I think this is good news. Anything that can influence intolerant people to be more tolerant is a net gain for humanity.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

@OldMetalHead Perhaps splinter it into factions that are far more conservative and, consequently, will develop and follow a new leading voice that would support and ultimately elect even more conservative/crazy candidates (think openly QAnon membership candidates) than "regular Catholics" would have? This is what I fear. We thought the Tea Party was bad. The problem is they continue to splinter and give rise to crazier candidates, but the Republicans always seem to unite to vote. It's why there will be QAnon representation in the next Congress as one of the 24 QAnon candidates (22-R, 2-I) is running essentially unopposed in a red district. Who knows what this will do to the primary race in '22 and what if any potential back swing will do for their support in the general.

Pope calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples - CNN

OldMetalHead comments on Oct 21, 2020:

As much as I hate the catholic church for its many many abuses going back centuries, I think this is good news. Anything that can influence intolerant people to be more tolerant is a net gain for humanity.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

I'm on the other side of that fence. I don't like when the church makes concessions to attempt to remain relevant. It keeps it alive longer.

Tim Wildmon: Liberals Want to “Close Down Every Christian Church in America” | Hemant Mehta | ...

MikeInBatonRouge comments on Oct 17, 2020:

There is an important difference between relishing the thought of churches closing due to their own congregants abandoning them in favor of common sense.....vs us forcing them closed through anti-free speech measures. Wildmon is intentionally ignoring that distinction in his fear-mongering about ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

@Joanne We need to make a distinction between congregants and their places of worship...

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Jon_Frum comments on Oct 19, 2020:

So let’s pretend that churches go away. What do you propose to constructively fill the social void? I say convert them into community centers. Thoughts?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

Simply putting businesses there that post taxes will provide more funds for the community. Anything is better than a church.

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sterlingdean comments on Oct 19, 2020:

Most liberals are religious so this is positively ludicrous. Second, while I would personally like that to happen, I'm a proponent of the rights of everyone to believe as they wish, so long as they don't try to force their beliefs on us.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 21, 2020:

Destroying churches doesn't really prevent someone from believing something... The very existence of a church with its tax-free status does infringe on you. It doesn't force a belief on you, but it still affects you.

I have always thought that A.

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 19, 2020:

I don’t see the world in good and evil, that I reserve for how I like or dislike things, activities, and situations. It’s just a personal choice. What’s going on now is both a lack of mental health care and a lack of perception and judgment on the part of the public. It’s not evil, it’s...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 20, 2020:

@Cyklone Or has it? That's a matter of perspective, too. With all the shit that's happening in 2020 that people point to as evidence for how shit everything is, the richest among us have drastically increased their wealth.

I have always thought that A.

rainmanjr comments on Oct 20, 2020:

Nietzsche is dead. Evil is a thing, I believe, but it's subjective (as moral things tend to be). One person's Russian agent is another's prophet (albeit a false one). Our present day situation is evil, in my opinion, and that has never won the day in human history because it consumes itself. The ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 20, 2020:

@AlanCliffe I think this, or at least something similar, was inevitable. Mike Judge explained how and why in Idiocracy, and nothing I've seen makes me think he wasn't dead on. People literally don't believe in science and facts anymore. How do you come back from that? You can't. And it will get exponentially worse as the people that believe those things generally reproduce in greater numbers than those that don't.

I have always thought that A.

Detritus comments on Oct 20, 2020:

IMHO evil is a descriptor much like beauty. Both only exist in the eye (opinion) if the beholder.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 20, 2020:

This.

Christians Held a Huge COVID-Denying Event to Whine About Being “Non-Essential” | Hemant Mehta |...

Willow_Wisp comments on Oct 19, 2020:

I've unfortunately been in their church before, it was during the Obama administration and all they could do was bitch about how he was the Antichrist. These people are pathetic losers that would happily kill all of us in an act of mercy so we can all go to their cosmic Disneyland.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 20, 2020:

@Beowulfsfriend You can watch this and pretend this was the conversation you had. https://youtu.be/kAgTZSJ4jo8

CNN: How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians - CNN

PBuck0145 comments on Oct 18, 2020:

QAnon is a discredited conspiracy theory. The deep state, however, is definitely a current problem. On a related topic, why are the KKK and antisemites so comfortable with the Democrats?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 20, 2020:

@PBuck0145 So women of color of minority religions running as Democrats, getting supported by the Democratic party and being elected by a democratic majority in various states is evidence of your claim how, exactly? I'm so glad you're a Canadian.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 19, 2020:

@HippieChick58 I don't really worry about all that. If I see someone I think I can break of nonsensical beliefs, I try. I've been successful numerous times and any fallout that results is acceptable losses in my book.

CNN: How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians - CNN

PBuck0145 comments on Oct 18, 2020:

QAnon is a discredited conspiracy theory. The deep state, however, is definitely a current problem. On a related topic, why are the KKK and antisemites so comfortable with the Democrats?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 19, 2020:

@snytiger6 So about 50 years ago?? What the fuck is PBuck taking about?

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 19, 2020:

@HippieChick58 No, I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant break the child of their beliefs, not take them away from their parents.

CNN: How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians - CNN

PBuck0145 comments on Oct 18, 2020:

QAnon is a discredited conspiracy theory. The deep state, however, is definitely a current problem. On a related topic, why are the KKK and antisemites so comfortable with the Democrats?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 19, 2020:

@PBuck0145 That's why all the white supremacist groups back Trump and his unwillingness to condemn them? Have any evidence besides conspiracy theories from Alex Jones?

CNN: How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians - CNN

PBuck0145 comments on Oct 18, 2020:

QAnon is a discredited conspiracy theory. The deep state, however, is definitely a current problem. On a related topic, why are the KKK and antisemites so comfortable with the Democrats?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

Really, because they seem to be all in for Trump right now...

Wear a Mask (Be Our Guest Parody) - YouTube

t1nick comments on Oct 18, 2020:

Lol. This is at a level even trump supporters and Republicans should be able to understand.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

All of our biggest mistakes have come from giving them more credit than they deserve.

Wear a Mask (Be Our Guest Parody) - YouTube

Rodatheist comments on Oct 18, 2020:

So, if we all were to wear a snuggly fit N-95, could we then go to a crowded concert? Be on top pf each other to watch a parade? Attend a game with thousands of others? Go to crowded bars? Fill movie theaters and restaurants to capacity? Ride the subway and public transportation? Gather all the ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

Bars, restaurants, and family dinners wouldn't be very useful if you were wearing a snugly fit N95 the whole time. Additionally, masks don't 100% stop everything, so the more virus you put in the air around you, the more likely you are to get some inside you. I figured that would be common sense to anyone with an IQ above room temp. Actually, I'm pretty sure it is. That aside, there are other ways to contract the virus than through your respiratory system, so your apparent claim that 'if masks really worked we wouldn't need other safety measures, therefore masks must not really work' is pretty nonsensical.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

@HippieChick58 So even if that is true legally, which most of the time it is even including killing the children (like JW and Christian Scientist), why do you not feel it is your right and/or duty to break the child free if given the means and opportunity?

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

@HippieChick58 I wasn't debating the methods of trying to make someone atheistic, just questioning your stance on your original reply to the OP question: do they have the right and/or duty to "prove" god doesn't exist if they could. Some indoctrination, however, is not/should not be the right of the parent to perform. It can be very dangerous and costly.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 18, 2020:

@TimeOutForMe What we call it is irrelevant. Should we do it is the question at hand.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

Cyklone comments on Oct 17, 2020:

Not everyone wants to take the red pill. Even in the matrix there were those that wished they hadn't.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

@Cyklone My assumption was that the OP was asking if they had the right * because of reason X *.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

@HippieChick58 That's all awesome, but not everyone has as much of a leg up as your children and grandchildren. So for those that don't, why don't you support conversion, especially if you can get them young?

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

glennlab comments on Oct 17, 2020:

That would make you no different than the Jehova Witnesses or Mormons. You have no duty to share your faith or lack of faith.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

@glennlab Precisely. Saying that an atheist trying to convert people to atheism (seemingly, or at least consequentially, for the good of society) is the same as JW or Mormons is the same type of argument as saying hating racists is as bad as racism.

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racocn8 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

It would be nice if we could allow people to stew in their own stupidity. The problem comes when the stew starts to boil and they feel compelled to not just spread their delusions, but to insist that others bow down to their god. And, if you don't, they will kill you. If people are to be given ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

@racocn8 I did. And I absolutely agree that things like murder, war, rape, honor killings, and genital mutilation are all very good reasons to not allow people to believe in their delusions. I was simply stating that it doesn't even need to be that extreme. I am for denying people the ability to continue to believe in their delusions for something as simple as them enacting laws that prevent me from buying alcohol on Sunday. Any thing that religious people do that negatively impacts others is a good enough reason to try to take their delusions from them. Hell, supporting a business that eats up property that doesn't contribute to their community because of the tax free status is a good enough reason to try to turn everyone atheist.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

Cyklone comments on Oct 17, 2020:

Not everyone wants to take the red pill. Even in the matrix there were those that wished they hadn't.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

If taking the blue pill meant they would vote against equal rights for their fellow citizens, they shouldn't care whether or not they wanted the red pill.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

xenoview comments on Oct 17, 2020:

It's fine to talk about no god, but you can't make someone give up religion or god. The person has to give up god or religion on their own terms. You can lead a theist to reason, but you can't make him/her think.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

It's a theoretical. There are people that you can be pretty sure would abandon their belief. In those cases, your claim wouldn't really apply.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

glennlab comments on Oct 17, 2020:

That would make you no different than the Jehova Witnesses or Mormons. You have no duty to share your faith or lack of faith.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

This is not true at all. This is the same argument as people saying hating racists is just as bad as being a racist.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

mischl comments on Oct 17, 2020:

It has long been known: Never mess with peoples' religion. They will hate you for it. Instead, you must wait until they get ready to make the exploration themselves.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

I'm my experience, the people that realized they were wrong didn't end up hating me.

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

HippieChick58 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

For many, leaving religion is like a death, would you force that on anyone? When I was a believer it gave me great comfort to think my mom was in heaven and I would see her again. She died when I was 14, and events that followed were a huge blight on my life. Then I lost my first baby, and it gave ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

What if you could get them when they're young enough so they only have to mourn once??

Once I said to a dear Christian friend: “Suppose there really is no God, and suppose I had it ...

racocn8 comments on Oct 17, 2020:

It would be nice if we could allow people to stew in their own stupidity. The problem comes when the stew starts to boil and they feel compelled to not just spread their delusions, but to insist that others bow down to their god. And, if you don't, they will kill you. If people are to be given ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

This. If I could add or clarify one bit though. I don't think it needs to get very far (like the example of a body count, though I don't think you meant that to be the start but rather a clear example everyone should be able to grasp). One's delusion preventing me from buying birth control or even alcohol on Sunday is a bridge too far. Tooth Fairy is probably a good example of the extent we should allow false beliefs to go. I can't think of a possible negative effect on others that results from children believing in the Tooth Fairy.

I keep hearing politicians bitching about "partisanship", all from the Republicans, the people that ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 12, 2020:

That's what elections are for, and I must say I'm disappointed in Republicans, whom I thought in the past had many valid points, but because of the "vast right wing conspiracy" including AM Radio (often overlooked), Fox News, and countless less obvious echo chambers, they've lost all credibility ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 17, 2020:

@Storm1752 Cool response.

I’d like to get members opinions and thoughts and feelings about agnostic theists; of which I am ...

Word comments on Oct 15, 2020:

Agnostic theist? Might work? You do not know if gods exist, but you would consider it true that they do exist but agnosticly it could never be known? I have no ideal what Kalam is. I know "There is good and there is evil."

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 16, 2020:

@Storm1752 I like when people type "SP?" Just look it up...

I want to say clearly in the public record that as far as I’m concerned anyone supporting Trump is...

Varn comments on Oct 15, 2020:

It’s always a tragic footnote to such times that there were a significant portion of opposition to the powers having led or allowed it. I’ve appreciated and noted your righteous concern, and you’re not alone. I’ve also noted an almost silent respect, if not pity ..from our contributors ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 16, 2020:

@prometheus Exactly. I was hoping Bill Maher would plead with well off Democrats in NY and CA to have summer homes in the Dakotas and such that they could use as little as possible to count.

I keep hearing politicians bitching about "partisanship", all from the Republicans, the people that ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 12, 2020:

That's what elections are for, and I must say I'm disappointed in Republicans, whom I thought in the past had many valid points, but because of the "vast right wing conspiracy" including AM Radio (often overlooked), Fox News, and countless less obvious echo chambers, they've lost all credibility ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 15, 2020:

@Storm1752 I do, only because there isn't a natural progression of those things. The US, along with many other nations, are regressing, some all the way into authoritarian governments. I'm not saying I don't want your beliefs to come true, I'm just saying I see no evidence to suggest it will. There's a group that measures democratic health of nations with the help of many of participants' input on tons of metrics. In the process of democratic nations' partial or complete downfalls into authoritarian control over the past several decades, they all followed very similar patterns. In comparing where the US is now to those other examples, only 20 percent of countries that reached this point maintained a democracy. So since I didn't mean anything by magical thinking, let me apologize and rephrase to optimistic or wishful thinking. It is very optimistic to think our democracy will survive and as optimistic as you can possibly be to think what has happened this far won't at least cause permanent damage.

Watching Rachel Maddow Tuesday the 12th, talking about how the current " leadership" has decided ...

Flowerwall comments on Oct 14, 2020:

How do you feel the Harris/Biren team will improve the covid response?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 15, 2020:

@Flowerwall Are you fuckin' putting me on right now?

I want to say clearly in the public record that as far as I’m concerned anyone supporting Trump is...

Varn comments on Oct 15, 2020:

It’s always a tragic footnote to such times that there were a significant portion of opposition to the powers having led or allowed it. I’ve appreciated and noted your righteous concern, and you’re not alone. I’ve also noted an almost silent respect, if not pity ..from our contributors ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 15, 2020:

@Varn Part of the problem is that while you require a majority of senators, it doesn't require a majority of people to get them.

Watching Rachel Maddow Tuesday the 12th, talking about how the current " leadership" has decided ...

Flowerwall comments on Oct 14, 2020:

How do you feel the Harris/Biren team will improve the covid response?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 15, 2020:

@Flowerwall Ooh, I see where the disconnect is now. You think the Republicans care what people want and what people think of them. They don't. All they want to do is provide benefits for the rich people that support them. They don't need to be in power every cycle to do that. The richest of the rich made so much money the past 4 years it's insane. So they may lose. But it won't be for ever. It probably won't even be for long. And they'll get back in and fuck over the little guy again to provide more huge gains for the rich. "The Biden Plan to Combat Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Prepare for Future Global Health Threats | Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website" https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/ But like I said multiple times, no plan is still infinitely better than Trump's plan.

Watching Rachel Maddow Tuesday the 12th, talking about how the current " leadership" has decided ...

Flowerwall comments on Oct 14, 2020:

How do you feel the Harris/Biren team will improve the covid response?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 14, 2020:

@Flowerwall Like I said simply doing nothing at all is immensely more beneficial than what the Trump administration is doing. Not denying science, not arguing with experts, not actively running on a platform of telling everyone (incorrectly) they should get infected to "gain immunity" is so vastly different than anything any rational person would do sets Biden/Harris apart from him so much I couldn't imagine a greater contrast. And your claim that this topic and this topic alone should require one's full time is a No True Scotsman fallacy. There is nothing inherently different about this than say the topic of differing death rates of like nations or maintaining health coverage for those with preexisting conditions which threatens the health, life, and economic livelihood of tens of millions of Americans.

Watching Rachel Maddow Tuesday the 12th, talking about how the current " leadership" has decided ...

Flowerwall comments on Oct 14, 2020:

How do you feel the Harris/Biren team will improve the covid response?

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 14, 2020:

@Flowerwall You're not comparing them by the same set of standards. Pence straight out refused to answer several questions, and you're getting all bent up that she didn't use the entirety of her time to lay out plans?! The fact of the matter is even if they had NO plans, it would still be better than the GOP's plan of actively denying science and advice from experts. Literally doing nothing would be immensely more beneficial than what Trump is doing. And to say that Trump does not disapprove is disingenuous at best but borders on complicity. The overwhelming majority of his actions and words shows his disapproval. Just because he has on very few occasions said masks could be good (even though he generally undercuts those statements in subsequent sentences) does not absolve him of the reprehensible behavior he has exhibited on the issue. That's like telling a child, "Do as I say, not as I do... or say most of the rest of the time."

I keep hearing politicians bitching about "partisanship", all from the Republicans, the people that ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 12, 2020:

That's what elections are for, and I must say I'm disappointed in Republicans, whom I thought in the past had many valid points, but because of the "vast right wing conspiracy" including AM Radio (often overlooked), Fox News, and countless less obvious echo chambers, they've lost all credibility ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 13, 2020:

@Storm1752 Are we taking about the same country? I'm referring to the one that's poised to take away marriage equality and reproductive rights.

I keep hearing politicians bitching about "partisanship", all from the Republicans, the people that ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 12, 2020:

That's what elections are for, and I must say I'm disappointed in Republicans, whom I thought in the past had many valid points, but because of the "vast right wing conspiracy" including AM Radio (often overlooked), Fox News, and countless less obvious echo chambers, they've lost all credibility ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 12, 2020:

@Storm1752 There's a pattern forming. That's like thinking Trump will still turn his thoughts and actions around regarding Covid. He caught the shit and needed the best medical care in the world to be okay and it only made him worse. The GOP is using their power to solidify their ability to cheat and hold on to/gain more power. Thinking it's going to magically turn itself around is wishful thinking.

I keep hearing politicians bitching about "partisanship", all from the Republicans, the people that ...

Storm1752 comments on Oct 12, 2020:

That's what elections are for, and I must say I'm disappointed in Republicans, whom I thought in the past had many valid points, but because of the "vast right wing conspiracy" including AM Radio (often overlooked), Fox News, and countless less obvious echo chambers, they've lost all credibility ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 12, 2020:

Just because the majority wants something doesn't mean it's going to happen...

One-third of Americans believe the coronavirus was sent by God, poll finds | TheHill

of-the-mountain comments on Oct 10, 2020:

Yes, especially since this Coronavirus pandemic has been partially instigated by the wealthy and their corporations out of greed and pure profit off our backs!!! Just part of the big Reset they are forcing upon us without our consent!!! They use religious dogma to push this misaligned forced ...

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 11, 2020:

@rainmanjr Yet there was a huge debate here recently about whether or not to try to convert people of faith.

One-third of Americans believe the coronavirus was sent by God, poll finds | TheHill

KKGator comments on Oct 11, 2020:

One third of Americans are fucking idiots.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 11, 2020:

Low balling.

One-third of Americans believe the coronavirus was sent by God, poll finds | TheHill

Leelu comments on Oct 11, 2020:

And yet their gawd never takes the opportunity to wipe out the non-believers. He always throws out the baby with the bathwater. Funny how that works... just like there's no all powerful overseer at all. :D

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 11, 2020:

HIV kind of does. Near 70% of infections are in men who have sex with men. Since they don't believe in science or logic, that their book says it's a sin is the perfect explanation and confirmation for them.

One-third of Americans believe the coronavirus was sent by God, poll finds | TheHill

evergreen comments on Oct 11, 2020:

And then they pray to that same nasty god to cure them ! Or they preach that if you are a TRUE believer , (whatever the fuck that is), that you needn't take precautions ... Go figure.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 11, 2020:

Bathed in the blood of Jesus. Technically, though, if you believe in an all loving God, the rest of those beliefs follow logically. It's the only thing to respect about Christian Scientists.

I don’t know about you guys but I’m sick to death of people that see admitting they were wrong ...

AmyTheBruce comments on Oct 11, 2020:

I don't understand people who think that admitting that they were wrong about something is a sign of weakness! It's a sign of strength and courage to admit mistakes! Our beliefs and opinions SHOULD change as circumstances change, or we learn more, or we grow as individuals.

ChestRockfield replies on Oct 11, 2020:

"The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday, that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. Events can change, this man's beliefs never will." It sounds like someone taking about Trump, but it wasn't. Sad we keep getting "leaders" from the GOP that can be so accurately described with the same quotes.