I tend to be overly honest; that often makes people uncomfortable.

stinkeye_a comments on Jan 13, 2018:

I have gone from completely open to completely closed. Who and how I want to be causes repercussions that I can't deal with. It's not my fault. I've done my best to be myself and be kind, and that catalyzes some really bad behavior in some other people. It breaks my heart. I just can't stand to...

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

@stinkeye_a Hi. I just have things to deal with in a million different directions- it is driving me nuts! That is just it.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

azzow2 comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Think we need someone like a Colan Powell to run Ophra has skeletons in her closets.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

"Colon" Powell, ya sure; maybe he will give another demonstration of how the coloured water in the vial was really one of Iraq's chemical weapons.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

sassygirl3869 comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Thanks for sharing. Had no idea-will re-evaluate

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

Never was too interested in Oprah, one way or another. If I had not made a preferred selection of the channel and she was just on, I never paid attention. I too may have to "re-evaluate.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

KKGator comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Forget Oprah. She's just another arrogant religutard who assumes she knows anything about atheists. She'll see no support from me. I feel awe and wonder all the time. I don't need any silly god to supply it for me.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

@btroje Ya, and it fills me with shit too.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

GreenAtheist comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Carl Sagan Neil deGrasse Tyson biologists all sell awe and wonder observing the universe. ...Oprah is selling religious bigotry against Atheists in her talk show cult = fear and belief NOT THE AWE of Atheist Einstein or the wonder of inventions Atheist Edison

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

Yes, certainly.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

resserts comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Yep, she's been a practitioner and promoter of woo for decades. She's in the spiritual-but-not-religious camp, and she likely contributed significantly to Deepak Chopra's popularity through her praise and promotion of him on her show. I don't actually dislike Oprah Winfrey, but I'm not a fan either,...

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

Yep. Good point

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

GipsyOfNewSpain comments on Jan 12, 2018:

Is not like, she knows what she is talking about.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

Maybe, but my guess is that at least that she has enough on the ball to appoint secretaries who 'do' have the abilities. Can't know everything about everything. Trump's only agenda is to empower the next sycophant and crook.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

TommyMeador comments on Jan 12, 2018:

I haven't really given it any thought, but she ain't Trump.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

But Trump is "brilliant"- the world's only 'talking' vegetable.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

Marz comments on Jan 13, 2018:

yeah, it was a bigoted thing to say. i'm not surprised that she couldn't even grasp that it was a bigoted opinion. I just feel pity for her. The irony of a black woman shitting on another minority could not be greater.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

Another point, I didn't read Oprah's comment- but I would tend to disagree with her, totally. When I threw off religious fantasies, many decades ago, and started to live in a world of reality, a whole world of "awh and wonderment" presented itself.

Apparently in 2013 Oprah made the comment that Athists cannot feel awe and wonder.

Marz comments on Jan 13, 2018:

yeah, it was a bigoted thing to say. i'm not surprised that she couldn't even grasp that it was a bigoted opinion. I just feel pity for her. The irony of a black woman shitting on another minority could not be greater.

Diogenes replies on Jan 13, 2018:

What has "black" have to do with anything? And "woman" too. I happen to be Caucasian- but I would prefer to be any other colour than the present POTUS. I believe a thinking person would enjoy a conversation with Barrack Obama- two seconds with 'Donald James' would certainly lite my fire. I believe Michele Obama would make a perfect choice because of experience (even though it wasn't directly in government) and 'education'; unlike Trump, at least she has one.

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

KevinD872 comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I asked a very religious acquaintance how he could possibly support Trump given how he his and his reply was that "Sometimes God uses imperfect people to achieve his perfect plan." Considering he doesn't like the current pope, I asked if that applied to him as well but apparently in the pope's ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 12, 2018:

@GreenAtheist All religions have a very long history of evil. I would not want to be the person that had to wrestle the multi headed evil out of the Catholic Church.

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Tomas comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I don’t recall religion ever having such influence (negative) on american politics. Our “political leaders” use Christianity (bible) as their guide in making decisions from healthcare, welfare and warfare. The last thing trump considers is kindness, personal gains, tax reduction for the top ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 12, 2018:

@GreenAtheist good morning. I am in Canada. Many years ago, my former 'true-love' in Nederland said, "You complain about the crooks in Canada, but it is happening all over the world." She made a wise move though, social services in Holland are some of the best in the world. -----I have read that Trump's tax break for the rich will add $1.5 trillion (another way to look at that number $ one thousand, five hundred billion) to the US debt in 10 years

I think we couple as a cultural habit that insists on it because of paternity assurance and heredity...

Diogenes comments on Jan 8, 2018:

Brigitta, sorry, I'm losing you on this one; I don't know what you are trying to say. Married once, and at my age, I will never marry again. But two people who are not 'bound together', by marriage, and are free to live a decent life because they want to, I feel are much happier.

Diogenes replies on Jan 10, 2018:

@BrigittaCuadros Sorry to hear that.

I'm reading Michael Wolff's "The Fire and Fury," the expose of the workings of the Trump White ...

DJVJ311 comments on Jan 9, 2018:

A reporter was allowed unfettered access to the Whitehouse. This alone is irrefutable evidence that the Trump administration is absolutely incompetent. I can't think of a president I liked(while they were in office) but I can't recall one being incompetent enough to allow a reporter to be present ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 10, 2018:

@silverotter11 Trump is doing everything he said he was going to do, given enough time, WHEN ONE READS BETWEEN THE LINES: creates massive unemployment, start a nuke war if he can, ramp up pollution and global warming, shut down dissention by putting a strangle hold on the internet..... on and on, forever! To the 'whole world' these are very dangerous criminals.

I'm reading Michael Wolff's "The Fire and Fury," the expose of the workings of the Trump White ...

shockwaverider comments on Jan 9, 2018:

I think things are that bad... Trump is, like, really stupid. His narcissism knows no bounds. His insecurity may very well start a war and on and on... He is undermining free speech and freedom of the press as well as the independence of the judiciary. He is dangerous and should be removed from ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 9, 2018:

"Corporal Hitler" (First World War) managed to terrorize the world- he read into the foolish tendencies of an educated population. How much easier it would be to derail an uneducated population, whose main entertainment is watching the Jerry Springer show or listening to some TV evangelist!

I'm reading Michael Wolff's "The Fire and Fury," the expose of the workings of the Trump White ...

DJVJ311 comments on Jan 9, 2018:

A reporter was allowed unfettered access to the Whitehouse. This alone is irrefutable evidence that the Trump administration is absolutely incompetent. I can't think of a president I liked(while they were in office) but I can't recall one being incompetent enough to allow a reporter to be present ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 9, 2018:

If I remember correctly, "Pence" was elected Governor of Indiana in 2015 and his approval rating was already falling injust one year. What difference will it make if Trump is gone; his cabal of incompetents and thieves will still be there to carry on the corruption.

Trump's "fake news" is total bullshit.

Rudy1962 comments on Jan 7, 2018:

Being that he settled a law suit for a fraudulent university, a few months before being elected POTUS, should have been a clue that he is a con man. That along with many other past incidents. Give him credit where credit is due. He has moved on to his biggest con of all, the entire country.

Diogenes replies on Jan 8, 2018:

@Rudy1962 Yep, probably!

Who agrees with the theory of multiverse?

JosephHarrison comments on Nov 4, 2017:

There's no way to determine if it's correct at this time, but it's certainly an interesting theory... the problem is, we don't understand enough about the origins of our own universe to really investigate the possibility of there being others. From what we understand, our universe has expanded ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 8, 2018:

Excuse me if I add a little 'serious humour' to this. We can send rockets to Mars, but we can't even understand what some of the other residence of this place have to say, such as a 'frog'.

Who agrees with the theory of multiverse?

invictus0x0 comments on Nov 4, 2017:

There are a number of different multiverse hypotheses, none have been elevated to the status of theory. And while they are interesting to speculate about, until there is a way to test these different ideas, I will reserve judgement personally.

Diogenes replies on Jan 8, 2018:

Yep- of course; that is what a thinking person would do

Trump's "fake news" is total bullshit.

Rudy1962 comments on Jan 7, 2018:

Being that he settled a law suit for a fraudulent university, a few months before being elected POTUS, should have been a clue that he is a con man. That along with many other past incidents. Give him credit where credit is due. He has moved on to his biggest con of all, the entire country.

Diogenes replies on Jan 8, 2018:

@Rudy1962 Ya, I knew that university scam was just one of his many scams. There is a question about his own university degree, how can a person that couldn't pass a basic, elementary school, grammar exam, get a university degree. Obviously, he had someone write his papers, but how did he do his final exams?

Are we alone in the universe?

Sarcasm comments on Oct 9, 2017:

dunno if its worse if we are, or if we aren't and were really dumb compared to them

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

Gotta love the non-reality and inventiveness of most sci-fi movies. How many centuries back have they had hand held pistols, 17th? And yet 200 years hence they are still firing their "lasers" with hand-held pistols- instead of waving a finger, or blinking an eye. "Really dumb" -----at least as movie producers. LOL

Are we alone in the universe?

CS60 comments on Oct 8, 2017:

There could be other intelligent species out there, but they haven't made contact or did and ran away in horror.

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

"Ran away in horror"- gotta love that one.

Are we alone in the universe?

Poitter comments on Oct 9, 2017:

'Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.' - Arthur C. Clarke

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

@KLMFTFW The universe is "SO vast"! Really? Compared to what? My question: How small is it? How many hours does it take an aircraft to cross the Atlantic Ocean? How long would it take a flea to swim the same distance? There are so many things we do not know.

Trump's "fake news" is total bullshit.

Rudy1962 comments on Jan 7, 2018:

Being that he settled a law suit for a fraudulent university, a few months before being elected POTUS, should have been a clue that he is a con man. That along with many other past incidents. Give him credit where credit is due. He has moved on to his biggest con of all, the entire country.

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

First, I am in Canada- here the same BS, maybe a different agenda. You are right on the mark with what Trump is doing- but the US being a large consumer nation, what happens there effects the whole world. He has had about four successful bankruptcies- but the big one is going to be the US economy. And just how does one have a "successful bankruptcy"? He cheated the investors and walked away with the profits under Chapter 11 I think you were trying to say, "fraudulent university degree". I have never read anything about this; but it is most likely. There have been parodies done on him and he talks in circles; loquaciously saying nothing. Apparently, he has never read anything, whether American, Mark Twain, or world-wide: Virginia Wolf, Ayn Rand... There is a total disconnect.(and yes, Rand died in US)

Trading addictions, 12 steps for religion

carlyhorton comments on Jan 7, 2018:

I did AA at the beginning of my road to sobriety (14 years now). I didn't like some of the 12 steps, but I was so lost and so desperate, and my mind was so scrambled, that rationality went out the window and I just let it be a balm. I think the biggest benefit was just being around others like me....

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

Made a typo- meant to say "cigarette smoke". But a further point is that if I am going to trade addictions, I will at least 'upgrade'. Get out to fitness more; make better use of my hiking membership; read more--- the whole bit.

Trading addictions, 12 steps for religion

carlyhorton comments on Jan 7, 2018:

I did AA at the beginning of my road to sobriety (14 years now). I didn't like some of the 12 steps, but I was so lost and so desperate, and my mind was so scrambled, that rationality went out the window and I just let it be a balm. I think the biggest benefit was just being around others like me....

Diogenes replies on Jan 7, 2018:

"Trading addictions"! I went off to AA a few times. Some of these characters may have been trying to lay off the booze (which is commendable)- but step out the door and the cloud of cigarette was unbelievable. I quit the cigarettes many decades ago, and I drastically slowed down on the booze at about the same time. Now I have decided to quit the booze altogether because of the cost- and the bar crowd are really a boring group. Another form of addiction is to quit religion and go to something that is just as ridiculous, self-righteous political correctness.

Does ANYONE on here listen to classic music?

BrianPhraner comments on Dec 22, 2017:

I have listened to this station. Another great classical music station you can stream on line is Classic King FM in Seattle. They are publicly funded so there are the periodic fund raising times of the year. I myself have been writing symphony music for the last 15 years or so.

Diogenes replies on Jan 6, 2018:

Brian, I finally listened to Classic King; it is an interesting station.

Vegans

Mantra comments on Nov 4, 2017:

Although I believe in a balanced diet I can probably transition into a vegerarian easily as my favorites are fruit, veggies and nuts. Not sure about vegan though considering how much I like eggs and honey. Ok I'll think about giving up meat completely. I rarely eat it anyway.

Diogenes replies on Jan 6, 2018:

@Mantra and Hope. Another very good site is Happy Cow. Because of my age I doubt if I would fit in with their young ages, but they have restaurant reviews, from all over the world, river cruises... so many things!

Vegans

Squirrellglider comments on Nov 2, 2017:

I was raised a strict vegetarian by strict god bothering parents, and since I decided to escape the church at the same time as I left home, I changed my diet as well. The diet change was mostly a matter of convenience I will admit. After a strict vegetarian diet while growing up one ends up with a ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 6, 2018:

Strange, that you had such parents; at least they put you on track for one thing. I don't have all the stats on this, but people that think: humanists, agnostics, tend to view the other residence of this rock with more respect than the religious: "God gave me this pork chop."

Do any of you have holiday traditions?

CeciRosane60 comments on Dec 25, 2017:

your post finally showed..strange...well mine is to have a meal with my kids on the evie of the 24th...most we do is watch old videos and pictures and talk about our life journey ...since there is only 3 of us here all our family are back in Brazil. By the way loved the video, you guys rock!

Diogenes replies on Jan 5, 2018:

I 'always' like to hear about people with a happy family. "Good news" is good news. There is way too much bad news.

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

KevinD872 comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I asked a very religious acquaintance how he could possibly support Trump given how he his and his reply was that "Sometimes God uses imperfect people to achieve his perfect plan." Considering he doesn't like the current pope, I asked if that applied to him as well but apparently in the pope's ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 5, 2018:

Last night PBS had the film about David 'Karesh' (sp). It fit in with the remark by your acquaintance, about "imperfect people". And we 'sure as hell', LOL, have enough imperfect people around now. I have no interest in religion or popes. But I think that some South American Catholics practice Liberation Catholicism, which does service to the poor. Cardinal Oscar Romero was murdered because he wouldn't suck up to the hierarchy in El Salvador. And possibly I am naïve, but I do believe that the current pope is a humanist; he has seen the poverty around him in Argentina.

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Okiedog comments on Dec 17, 2017:

We could tax the church the way they do their sheeple.

Diogenes replies on Jan 5, 2018:

Yep, but the "sheeple" should be charged 'more' taxes because they are "sheeple". I have seen pictures of cows being trucked to the slaughter house- even they do not go willingly.

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Diarmaede comments on Dec 17, 2017:

People create gods in their own image, so the god of bigoted, hateful people will be a bigoted, hateful god.

Diogenes replies on Jan 5, 2018:

Yep

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Tomas comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I don’t recall religion ever having such influence (negative) on american politics. Our “political leaders” use Christianity (bible) as their guide in making decisions from healthcare, welfare and warfare. The last thing trump considers is kindness, personal gains, tax reduction for the top ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 5, 2018:

I suppose I could call myself a 'socialist'- but there has to be one qualification- it must be 'responsible socialism'. Anyone too lazy to work, at a 'just wage', are too lazy to eat. Having said that, it is long past the time, when the fat greasy slobs, in their hundreds of dollar shirts and thousands of dollar shoes, represented by the likes of Trump, world-wide, were stopped.

Regarding the bible, the ultimate problem is that the pious insist even the errors of the many ...

BrigittaCuadros comments on Jan 3, 2018:

Personally, there is no point in arguing about imaginary beings. But the point is that religion is a fraud, which leaves people with a an unimaginable void that is not there. It is a condition named Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Maybe we should look at the ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 4, 2018:

@BrigittaCuadros I am well past religion many decades ago. The bible stories are for children--- but they should be told at a young age that these are just fairy tales. For example, Daniel did not come out of a hungry lions den- if he did, it was as leftover Danielburger. LOL------- Back to the discussion. A person should 'always' investigate any of these charities- but I hope that I am right about this one being decent. To their credit there was no big, long rant about gods- and there was NO specific church that was collecting money. Adios

I believe in the power of faith.

JohnnyThorazine comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I think faith and willpower are very closely related. Faith is willpower externalized. Willpower is internalized. I have never had faith, so I only see it in action. I think Faith fails more often than willpower, because willpower has no fall back. No one to blame but yourself. But I have seen ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 4, 2018:

@JohnnyThorazine Hi again. Sorry to hear you have a hernia. That ain't good. Now that I am older than god, I am finding some body parts over inflated (belly) and pieces falling off here and there- I am just a regular junk yard on feet. But I won the rowing contest at fitness last spring 2017. Just goes to show- don't dis a geezer. LOL. Life takes work. I want to quit the bars this year. Na, I have about two pints- but throwing in a tip, and a few coffees, around here, and that is $15--- for a 30 day month that is $450. And I had my first day of non-smoking----- many decades ago. Well right now I am doing "my first few days" of non-drinking. When I was in the Air Force, one of the guys said, "Remember to smile, it will drive your enemies nuts." LOL.

I believe in the power of faith.

JohnnyThorazine comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I think faith and willpower are very closely related. Faith is willpower externalized. Willpower is internalized. I have never had faith, so I only see it in action. I think Faith fails more often than willpower, because willpower has no fall back. No one to blame but yourself. But I have seen ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 4, 2018:

I don't know what happened there- my last post was in agreement with Jonny Thorazine.

I believe in the power of faith.

JohnnyThorazine comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I think faith and willpower are very closely related. Faith is willpower externalized. Willpower is internalized. I have never had faith, so I only see it in action. I think Faith fails more often than willpower, because willpower has no fall back. No one to blame but yourself. But I have seen ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 4, 2018:

Yes, I agree with you, about taking advantage of the person and sell them something they don't want or need. There's an advertisement on TV about an exercise machine and if you just use it for 14 min. (they even have it down to the minute) you will be the most fantastic hunk on the beach. At fitness there is the usual New Years crowd, who have resolved to be beach bunnies or hunks. They are all usually gone by about Feb 1. Actual planning and actual hard work will get the job done. I keep a journal and I am down five pounds from Jan 1, 2017. Anybody who buys into some sales pitch about a magic health machine will have a piece of junk to dust off in the basement. And yes "manipulation" is the correct word.

Regarding the bible, the ultimate problem is that the pious insist even the errors of the many ...

BrigittaCuadros comments on Jan 3, 2018:

Personally, there is no point in arguing about imaginary beings. But the point is that religion is a fraud, which leaves people with a an unimaginable void that is not there. It is a condition named Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Maybe we should look at the ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 3, 2018:

A point: all religious people, or people under a religious umbrella, are not the epitome of evil. They are not the warped and twisted TV evangelists.

Regarding the bible, the ultimate problem is that the pious insist even the errors of the many ...

BrigittaCuadros comments on Jan 3, 2018:

Personally, there is no point in arguing about imaginary beings. But the point is that religion is a fraud, which leaves people with a an unimaginable void that is not there. It is a condition named Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome Maybe we should look at the ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 3, 2018:

There is an advertisement that I often see on TV about "Mercy Ships". Before I say much about this, I am NOT a religious troll. Part of the advert says that all the doctors and nurses pay for all their own expenses. Yes, they do have film/pictures of some of the horrendous diseases that no living 'thing' should have. And they do have film of the happy faces after the cures. Another "yes", they talk a bit about "god". I don't care what they talk about- as long as this work is being done. Would the average person take time off a well-paying job to do free work with people that they had never met?

I believe in the power of faith.

HippieChick58 comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I don't know if I would call that faith, confidence maybe. I would ask faith in WHAT? Is it God giving you that sale? Or is it your preparation, your personality, charisma? Or your BS? :)

Diogenes replies on Jan 3, 2018:

@DonCoryon If being truthful is being "angry"- then 'yep, angry a whole lot'. And not to forget, the truthfulness of truth is that it will not set one free- it will probably depress. My misfortune is that I have met too many 'fast talkers'- they do get tedious after a while.

I believe in the power of faith.

Kojaksmom comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I have nothing against prayer, it's giving yourself a pep talk. No harm no foul.

Diogenes replies on Jan 3, 2018:

If I have a situation come up that needs some thought, I 'talk to myself' LOL- no not like going down the street mumbling away. And I don't "meditate". I do 'contemplate' listing all the faults and positives of an idea. I do NOT pray.

I believe in the power of faith.

HippieChick58 comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I don't know if I would call that faith, confidence maybe. I would ask faith in WHAT? Is it God giving you that sale? Or is it your preparation, your personality, charisma? Or your BS? :)

Diogenes replies on Jan 3, 2018:

Chick, you already know it's his BS. And what has this dude achieved from his lies or near lies. He probably treats the rest of his life in the same way.

What, not who, makes life worth living?

DharmaBum50 comments on Dec 31, 2017:

Traveling and seeing as much of nature and the planet as possible. As far as I can determine, that's the only reason it's there.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

@btroje Ya, some joke. Go somewhere, and see nothing- then sit on the patio and drink beer for a week or two. Must not forget to complain about all the Japanese food: "Don't they have any 'real' food here?"

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

carlyhorton comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I wouldn't call it fear, but I do think it's a bummer that I won't be able to experience the future. I'm so curious about it! I really wish I could be a ghost and observe everything.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

@RoboGraham and if you got your wish- I don't see much so-called "enjoyment" without a body. Might be a good idea to be careful about what you wish.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

carlyhorton comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I wouldn't call it fear, but I do think it's a bummer that I won't be able to experience the future. I'm so curious about it! I really wish I could be a ghost and observe everything.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

@carlyhorton, first and foremost, thanks for the conversation- and have a productive 2018. I can not claim to know that which is 'unknowable'- even by people much smarter than me. (It wouldn't be hard to be smarter than me) A question: most of us have had a pet, if being a dog is the current life, what was the dog in the former life? There are smart, brave and loyal dogs, who live more worthwhile lives than many humans, why are they dogs?

Quick poll.

SusieQ420 comments on Jan 2, 2018:

the only anger I feel is towards the systematic brainwashing of children and adults looking for reason to life. but that is life.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

Susie good morning. Yes, it makes me angry to see 'systematic' brainwashing of children. I don't agree with the other part though. I always found the adults were, NOT, looking for the meaning of life.

Quick poll.

TheMiddleWay comments on Jan 2, 2018:

If you stayed angry longer than a few days, please seek medical attention.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

Well it appears that I should have looked for psychiatric help. I am ashamed that I slobbered such a large portion of my life away on such a moronic pastime.

Quick poll.

LeighShelton comments on Jan 2, 2018:

I never believed the lies in the first place

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

Then you must have had intelligent parents to teach you- so don't take all the credit.

Quick poll.

Mojefro comments on Jan 2, 2018:

Never angry, I think this shit is quite comical.

Diogenes replies on Jan 2, 2018:

Certainly comical.

What, not who, makes life worth living?

DharmaBum50 comments on Dec 31, 2017:

Traveling and seeing as much of nature and the planet as possible. As far as I can determine, that's the only reason it's there.

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

@BikerDude50 Congrats! Way to go! I know a bit of Europe- but I would like to see a little more of other cultures. It has been about 15 years since I have been in Kentucky.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

carlyhorton comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I wouldn't call it fear, but I do think it's a bummer that I won't be able to experience the future. I'm so curious about it! I really wish I could be a ghost and observe everything.

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

@carlyhorton Ya, LOL. But Nature has never sent any messengers to tell us what this puzzle is about- so all options are open- maybe we just "fade to black" too.

Are you bothered that we count time based on when Jesus was supposedly born?

ripcurldane comments on Jan 1, 2018:

Yes it bothers me a lot. What alternatives. We kind of need an exact date! IT'S THE YEAR 7 000 018 :-) This is for those who take the start point from where evolution turned to create humans. Scientists say that it was about 7000000 years ago? Start of the human lineage, following a split with ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

Yep, that's a good idea too.

Are you bothered that we count time based on when Jesus was supposedly born?

MsOliver comments on Jan 1, 2018:

Historical scholars and others in academia stopped using BC and AD decades ago in favor of the more inclusive BCE and CE (before common era and after common era) and given that Jesus was allegedly born in 4 BCE, not 1 CE the system has been off by four years since the beginning. The only real ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

@MsOliver Hi, that interests me and there are other subjects that I would like to pursue- but before I get to any of them, I must take care of a 'list' of 'yesterdays'. ....and someone should have actually assassinated Constantine; this fiction might have faded away if he had not been involved.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

carlyhorton comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I wouldn't call it fear, but I do think it's a bummer that I won't be able to experience the future. I'm so curious about it! I really wish I could be a ghost and observe everything.

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

@carlyhorton Hi, sorry I did not make myself clear. My point was, if there is a life after death' we may come back as anything- and that includes something as 'insignificant' as a bug or mouse.----And have an interesting 2018

Are you bothered that we count time based on when Jesus was supposedly born?

MsOliver comments on Jan 1, 2018:

Historical scholars and others in academia stopped using BC and AD decades ago in favor of the more inclusive BCE and CE (before common era and after common era) and given that Jesus was allegedly born in 4 BCE, not 1 CE the system has been off by four years since the beginning. The only real ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

MsOliver, yes. I didn't see your comment before I wrote mine. Looks like you have put more study into this. Yes, and I knew that it was four years off- but what difference does it make to a fictional birth? It could be a hundred years off, who cares?

What, not who, makes life worth living?

DharmaBum50 comments on Dec 31, 2017:

Traveling and seeing as much of nature and the planet as possible. As far as I can determine, that's the only reason it's there.

Diogenes replies on Jan 1, 2018:

As far as travelling around the world on a huge aircraft- and then staying in a five-star resort where the room temp would be the 'comfortable' same, no matter if it was on the equator or arctic, I see no progress. If you see nothing of interest in your own neighbourhood, you may not see anything away. A few miles away, U of T were doing a dig, and I asked, what they were doing. He said, "There was a Huron village here." He showed me where the posts supporting the long house had been. The spots were black from the post decay.

Was I a tad out of line?

Tomas comments on Dec 15, 2017:

Rude.. not at all ! I’d seen that same “news article” a few months back, the statement was made by a “fundamentalists christian” congressman or senator... (KS, OK) he was ridiculed by FB folks... anyway, he was rightly shot down by media.

Diogenes replies on Dec 31, 2017:

Ya, I saw it too. It was a while back. There are so many nutters though. It is not possible to keep track of them all.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

carlyhorton comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I wouldn't call it fear, but I do think it's a bummer that I won't be able to experience the future. I'm so curious about it! I really wish I could be a ghost and observe everything.

Diogenes replies on Dec 31, 2017:

I do not like to kill anything. (The mice have chewed the water pipes till they leak) carlyhorton maybe you will be one of the mice that are killed in mouse traps.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

AMGT comments on Dec 30, 2017:

I find comfort in the fact that my time here will end and that I won’t be at all aware of the aftermath. “I” will be no more.. Finally.

Diogenes replies on Dec 31, 2017:

You do not know that

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

jwm03h comments on Dec 30, 2017:

You are assuming there is no after life. Which is an unknown for me, certainly there isn't a heaven or hell, but I have no idea how I got here , and before I was born I didn't exist, so if I got here when I didn't exist before, how do we know it can't happen again?

Diogenes replies on Dec 31, 2017:

JWM-yes all the possibilities! I wonder what it would be like to be a bird and fly. And to give a little credit to birds, crows are not the derogatory termed "bird brained"; they have the ability to use tools and think. Another point: what makes anyone think they are going to come back (if there is a second life) the same colour, or in the same place? Maybe as we eat gluttonous amount of food while watching the profound amount of misery on TV- we could end up that way.

Does the lack of beleif in an afterlife bring you fear or comfort?

IndySent comments on Dec 30, 2017:

Coming from a religious “fire and brimstone” childhood, I would have to say that the realization that I wasn’t going to burn for eternity for being exactly what some creator made me, really brought me comfort. It also opened my eyes as to how abusive a “relationship with God” really was....

Diogenes replies on Dec 31, 2017:

IndySent, ya, when a person finally gets "the religious message"- there isn't enough contempt to heap on that message.

Although I find religion too foolish to even comment on- I still find some religious people, so ...

SKH78 comments on Dec 26, 2017:

Liberal religious people are okay with me. A couple of my friends are religious. They believe in separation of religion and state and they give support to human rights issues. They know I am a non-believer and they are okay with that. It is the Religious Right that scares the stew out of me.

Diogenes replies on Dec 28, 2017:

Yep, the, "my god can kick the shit out of your god", crowd are a scary bunch.

Do any of you have holiday traditions?

CeciRosane60 comments on Dec 25, 2017:

your post finally showed..strange...well mine is to have a meal with my kids on the evie of the 24th...most we do is watch old videos and pictures and talk about our life journey ...since there is only 3 of us here all our family are back in Brazil. By the way loved the video, you guys rock!

Diogenes replies on Dec 27, 2017:

Sorry. I didn't watch the video- maybe I missed something great. It wasn't an intentional omission. I have NOTHING against happy events.

Okay, on this site, the topic is being an agnostic; is there more?

JHeyoka comments on Nov 19, 2017:

When I found this site, i quickly became very excited that i can talk about personal and societal philosophy without immediate ignorance and hate. But yeah, i see more of the 'i just quit religion' support group type discussion more than progressive philosophy. I personally welcome it.

Diogenes replies on Dec 27, 2017:

Yes, who in "hell" (another of my Freudian slips) cares about religion? Can there ever be a more moronic topic?

Who on here has heard of the White Rose Movement?

SKH78 comments on Dec 26, 2017:

I have heard of the White Rose Movement. I read about Sophie Scholl, one of the leaders of WR. I read that she got executed at age 21. I thought, there is a person with Moral Courage. She surely must have known she would get killed, but fought the Nazi movement the best that she could. I have ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 27, 2017:

Yep.

Who on here has heard of the White Rose Movement?

SKH78 comments on Dec 26, 2017:

Takes awhile for the courageous ones to wake up. There are some signs that people are stirring and coming to life. At least Roy Moore did not get elected Senator. The race was VERY close, though. But Moore, who is an Upfront Bigot and Proud of it, did not go to the U.S. Senate. In North ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 27, 2017:

Yes. It takes guts to stand against religious nonsense in a bible belt state.

Persons that must be different- like all the other ones that are "different"?

SKH78 comments on Dec 26, 2017:

I guess I am "different". I am of a Liberal bent, but there are Liberals who I do not get along with. The Conservatives, I have my strong disagreements with them but if they are nice and courteous on a personal basis, I get along with them. I don't really follow any party line. My friends call ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 27, 2017:

I didn't write my remark correctly- as usual. LOL. I will have to go back and look at it; find it even. What I wanted to say was, "Being different by being the same as all the other people who are different..." Yes, I agree with you. I am going to vote Conservative, not because I particularly agree with them- but I see them as the only choice. My views tend to be socialist- if there was a 'responsible socialist' party in Canada. "Too lazy to work (at an honest wage)- then too lazy to eat", is the way I look at it. The 'hard and nasty' of it is that it takes money to fund social programs and that takes work and planning. But this is off topic from what my point was. All these clowns who are willing to "seek justice"- "to be different", by mouthing stupid nonsense. My 'good' friends (not my 'token' friends, used to make a point) are of all colours: some, so-called "white", black, brown... It appears they are all "people of colour". What would be the second choice- besides being invisible? Ya, and just watch, someone on here will tag me as a racist.

If religion wasn't here, what would atheists bitch about?

mash_tatoes comments on Dec 24, 2017:

It would just be another Facebook. The reason there is so much religion/god talk on here is because most of us have not had so many similar minds in one place to share all of the ideas that we can't discuss with people, even if they are not strongly religious. I normally just get on Facebook for ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 26, 2017:

Getting rid of religion is the first step---- but a person doesn't walk very far on "one step". If a person is not going to do something with their life, why bother? Stick with religion, what difference is there going to be?

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Thomas3 comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I am not religious any more, but I voted for and support Trump. Do I make you angry. Who is going to pay for everyone to have a place to live and food to eat. What raise my taxes. I have to work to pay my rent and buy my food. It is my responsibility not anybody else.

Diogenes replies on Dec 25, 2017:

When a person READS BETWEEN THE LINES, Trump is doing exactly what he has done in business and what he is going to do now. He has had four or five 'successful' bankruptcies. Now just how does anyone have a "successful bankruptcy"? He takes Chapter 11, and the investors take the loss. The next one will be the biggie. Right now the stock market is going wild---- just like it was doing in the summer of 1929, where everybody was getting rich, buying stock on margin. Then in November, came the depression and that stock was worth nothing. This time it may be much worse than 'just' a financial crisis--- there is a loony with his thumb on the nuke button.

Bright side of the religions

LeighShelton comments on Dec 5, 2017:

I know it saves people who get messed up on drugs or in prison etc.

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

So they go from one addiction to, 'the next addiction', the god addiction- and that is being "saved"?

Vegans

Joanne comments on Nov 1, 2017:

I can see myself at some point going vegetarian; but as someone with low blood sugar issues, I need to make sure I have adequate protein in my diet. I am now what I call a pescafowlatarian. I eat only some seafood--I don't like most so that is limited--and fowl (mostly chicken, but some turkey). ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

Yes

Vegans

SarahSiddons comments on Nov 1, 2017:

I probably only eat animal protein once or twice a week more for environmental reasons. I have zero plans to give it up completely. Generally I won’t eat ground beef, non organic chicken or eggs are out of the question, as are non-kosher hotdogs. My eating habits/diet have nothing to do with my ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

A while back, I asked a person, "If there was a cow in the pasture would you take a sharp stick and poke its eye out?" The answer was, "Of course not."---- but chewing on another resident of this rock is okay????

Vegans

IntoTheMist comments on Nov 1, 2017:

I was vegetarian for about 10 years and then vegan for 2----long story short, I made myself extremely ill, and I'll not try either diet again.

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

I keep missing to state my magor point. I VERY seldom eat meat- if I do I get depressed after. To me a veggie diet makes sense.

Vegans

IntoTheMist comments on Nov 1, 2017:

I was vegetarian for about 10 years and then vegan for 2----long story short, I made myself extremely ill, and I'll not try either diet again.

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

Mist. I am 'just a bit over 35'---- LOL, and I won a fitness contest this year- against some in their 20s. I have no intention of being a slave to diet- but a person must be aware of what they eat. I have no intention of being vegan. If a person was starving, would they let fresh eggs rot. Just what would be the purpose of that?

[snotr.com] Hope this clears things up for people.

resserts comments on Dec 24, 2017:

This is how the entire Bible should be read. :D

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

"How the bible should be read"! It would make a great 'paper weight'- and that is just about how it should be "read".

Vegans

Mantra comments on Nov 4, 2017:

Although I believe in a balanced diet I can probably transition into a vegerarian easily as my favorites are fruit, veggies and nuts. Not sure about vegan though considering how much I like eggs and honey. Ok I'll think about giving up meat completely. I rarely eat it anyway.

Diogenes replies on Dec 24, 2017:

Mantra, I am not a "radical"- and I do nothing that will enable me 'to join the crowd'. Veggies taste good, which is a very good subjective reason for eating them. The objective reason for not killing something is overtly obvious- at least to me. Help! LOL. I got a good deal on some veggies. Although I stacked the carrots and put them in a cold room, they are turning bad. So as far as a "saving", there is none if a large portion turn bad. I thought about wrapping each veggie in cellophane. I will experiment till I find the answer. I am tired of talking about religion- something that has no bearing on my life.

Does ANYONE on here listen to classic music?

BrianPhraner comments on Dec 22, 2017:

I have listened to this station. Another great classical music station you can stream on line is Classic King FM in Seattle. They are publicly funded so there are the periodic fund raising times of the year. I myself have been writing symphony music for the last 15 years or so.

Diogenes replies on Dec 23, 2017:

Brian hi. Classic King must be a PBS station. I like to listen to PBS form Buffalo- besides their great music, the knowledgeable commentary is interesting. I am at the outer edge of their reception range, but reception from them is perfect on TV. When you become 'more' famous, than you already are, with your compositions, I am going to claim that I have 'talked' with you. LOL. All the best.

Does ANYONE on here listen to classic music?

Ruskie100 comments on Dec 22, 2017:

I am a retired Assoc. Professor Emeritus of Music education, classic/jazz pianist and bass baritone soloist having sung the great religious compositions with symphony orchestras along with leads in operas. Yes, at 88 I listen to classic music as well as good jazz.

Diogenes replies on Dec 23, 2017:

Ruskie, I should have paid more attention to the music classes in school- just one more thing that 'I should have paid attention to'. I like all kinds of music, especially early jazz.It must be MUSIC though; to me, dissonance is not music.

Who agrees with the theory of multiverse?

Squirrellglider comments on Nov 4, 2017:

I not long ago was reading a book called "Time Travel in Einstein's Universe" and by the time I was about 1/3rd of the way through, I was in such mental knots as to be finding the book beyond me. It had all sorts of theories including "String Theory", "Multiverses", and other equally bewildering ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 20, 2017:

Ya, I watched a TV, 'science' program- and it was way beyond me. There I am---- being honest. But one thing I did get out of it was these universes could be 'playing' at the same time, and occasionally crossed each others paths.

Who on here has heard of the White Rose Movement?

ZebZaman comments on Dec 19, 2017:

I sure have heard of them. There day of death, 22.2.43 , has other significance to me. One of the group who survived became the chief doctor in the hospital my father frequented. They are inspirational, but the warning is also: if bad people are in power, it is good people that get executed for ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 20, 2017:

Yep- in the 'movie' (it was only a "movie")- but I can imagine that the judge, in real life, carried on in the same way, railing about "high treason"- then the same characterless characters, only a few years later, probably blithered about how little they had to do with these executions. Trump has done lots of sacking- but look what he has set up. Getting rid of him will do nothing- the tangled rat's nest will still be there. And thanks for getting back to me and the info.. Religion is of no interest to me. If I am going to use time, it will be on something that I am interested in.

Exuse me, but the subject of religion is over, who feels the same way?

Dutchiedutch comments on Dec 19, 2017:

Dear Diogenes, I agree.

Diogenes replies on Dec 20, 2017:

Hoi, zoooo, bent je uit Nederland?

Seeing supposedly religious people support tRump has made me incredibly angry.

Thomas3 comments on Dec 18, 2017:

I am not religious any more, but I voted for and support Trump. Do I make you angry. Who is going to pay for everyone to have a place to live and food to eat. What raise my taxes. I have to work to pay my rent and buy my food. It is my responsibility not anybody else.

Diogenes replies on Dec 18, 2017:

Bob, ya "Trump made promises that made him shine"- -- but all his promises are lies. If you read between the lines, then he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do

How could the Holy Ghost impregnate Mary?

snytiger6 comments on Nov 25, 2017:

It didn't. There were several other religions that had stories of pregnancies and birth without sex at the time when Jesus was supposedly on earth. The "virgin birth" was added into the story at a later date, having been "borrowed" or plagiarized from another religion of the time.

Diogenes replies on Dec 17, 2017:

Yes, I have read many rulers of the period, a few thousand years ago, were deified- but- expressing such beliefs in the modern age is- 'just a wee bit silly'.

OK.

LeighShelton comments on Dec 15, 2017:

I don't know but then again there's endless things I can't explain on earth let alone out there. personally, i think people find it so much easier to say god did it so they can keep blinkers on and stay happy in their own little bubble.

Diogenes replies on Dec 16, 2017:

Yep, stupid and lazy.

OK.

twshield comments on Dec 15, 2017:

If you were able to visit another world, they would have no idea who God is. God is a creation of man and the idea is only here on earth. The universe is vast and we are merely a molecule inside it.

Diogenes replies on Dec 15, 2017:

Yep- and I expect Jeezuz-dude does not have a few billion billion brothers- one for every habitable planet in the universe.

OK.

Arasmuson comments on Dec 15, 2017:

Perhaps there are many other galaxies and we are a giant poop from a black hole.

Diogenes replies on Dec 15, 2017:

Yep, even though there are photos from Mars- we must consider ourselves "primitives" with our knowledge of the universe.

OK.

JohnnyThorazine comments on Dec 15, 2017:

The first thing I enjoy about the word 'always' is that it is so temporary. Hehe...but there's the fun in life, questions questions questions. If you think you have an answer, you just haven't found the question yet.

Diogenes replies on Dec 15, 2017:

Yep, if we had all the answers, life would be rather boring.

OK.

MsOliver comments on Dec 15, 2017:

I don't know. Just as importantly, I don't care. There is no evidence at all that there is a being in charge of the rules of the universe, so I honestly do not care if the answer is literally "something came from nothing," (although I'm sure there is probably a better explanation for it, I simply ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 15, 2017:

Well dam it, MsOliver, you could create another "one-true god". LOL

OK.

Grim comments on Dec 15, 2017:

We are very young as inhabitants of this planet, and even younger when it comes to understanding yet the simplest of things, now explain quantum mechanics to me... No? Then how can we think we have the answer to the most complex of things? I think the realization of our lack of knowledge is why ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 15, 2017:

Yep, the stupid do not want to get out of their 'lazy comfy' zone.

How comfortable are you with the word "Atheist" ?

ags2 comments on Dec 12, 2017:

I prefer to describe myself as a Humanist. Call me chicken :)

Diogenes replies on Dec 14, 2017:

I have worn out the topic of "atheist". I refuse to comment on gods that do not exist, or have never existed- I am NOT an atheist. If I am going to waste time---- it's going to be on something that is pleasant- not profound foolishness. I don't care if Donald Duck wears rubber boots when he is swimming, so that his feet will not get wet. And I feel that the discussion about gods is even more absurd than the foregone premise.

Before being put under oath, should I inform that I am a non-believer?

Benthoven comments on Dec 12, 2017:

When they say, "Do you promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth," I like to argue the concept of "truth." What is truth anyway, and can we really know it? And even if we could know the truth, how could we possibly understand the "whole truth." Not sure it would get me ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 14, 2017:

I am in Canada. I had to be in court for something and the bible-bit came up. This has been a while back and I can't remember exactly what I said- but I did not swear anything on that book of fairy tales. Foolishness is carried just too far.

How do you communicate a refusal to donate to religious groups? (more inside)

EyesOnTheFuture comments on Dec 9, 2017:

You don't owe them an explanation. Besides only 33% of a charity donation ever actually makes it to the charity itself.

Diogenes replies on Dec 12, 2017:

Yes 33%- maybe much less, and with some of these organizations the criminals/directors are making huge salaries.I would never give to any evangelical organization. I heard that even Jimmy Carter broke away from the Southern Baptist. Carter is involved with Habitat for Humanity- and to me, he is a decent human being.

What is your response when people threaten you with religious punishments? (i.e. Hell/Jahannam)

LoveThyDog comments on Oct 25, 2017:

I laugh my ass off. I also love it when they ask, "don't you want to be saved?" "Hell freakin' no," I reply. "Saved from what? Logic, reason, critical thinking?!"

Diogenes replies on Dec 11, 2017:

Soooooo true!

What is your response when people threaten you with religious punishments? (i.e. Hell/Jahannam)

Rajmarax comments on Oct 11, 2017:

I have them read the sections of "Revelation" that describe heaven, and point out how fucking boring that sounds.

Diogenes replies on Dec 11, 2017:

Ya, but you can walk on streets of purest gold--- think even soft metal like gold would be hard on the boots- would rather see and walk on grass anyway.

Pushy Atheist?

DUCHESSA comments on Nov 24, 2017:

No, I haven't....and I haven't because I don't waste any time talking about Atheism with people whose brains are intoxicated with religion.

Diogenes replies on Dec 11, 2017:

Hi. A person can get over "intoxication" in a few hours; many "plagues" end life. This is not a confrontational point. I also do not have time to waste talking about religion- if I am going to waste time it's going to be on something pleasant. But the godsters have to be given points for their 'invisible god'- a great promotional foil where only the 'believers' can see it. I see the "believers" as the 'indoctrinated'. Obviously I have not been programed because I see no god-dude. And I was not speaking directly about you, 'not having a life'- peace!

So US WH occupant 45 has now recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.

sassygirl3869 comments on Dec 9, 2017:

I'm really upset about this faux pas. tRUMP is the biggest moron for setting this juggernaut in motion. I personally can't joke about such a party sorry.

Diogenes replies on Dec 11, 2017:

Yes, correct

Isn’t it funny that religious people from all religions think if you’re an atheist, you’re ...

Alexa comments on Dec 8, 2017:

A religious guy told me once that I look like the devils daughter because of my red hair. He said "Did you dye your hair this colour on purpose to be closer to the one you worship? You could be his daughter." Crazy crazy crazy

Diogenes replies on Dec 10, 2017:

Alexa- your hair- tell him to piss off.

Isn’t it funny that religious people from all religions think if you’re an atheist, you’re ...

Kcchrist comments on Dec 9, 2017:

It is hard for the believers to imagine the non-existence of a god and afterlife. It scares them. I've been told, "I'm going to hell!" I reply, " I do not believe in that either." It usually throws them into a awkward trance.

Diogenes replies on Dec 10, 2017:

Hey I'm a "believer"- I believe in reality. Shit, I guess I made a mistake; that's a "non-believer". LOL

As you know, the secular community is a marginalized one.

MsOliver comments on Dec 10, 2017:

I have no issue with my mental health. I am not at all afraid to keep my own counsel. I understand that some people need the company of others to feel fulfilled, especially for this season. I recommend reading philosophy, engaging in thoughtful debate with like minded people, and doing volunteer ...

Diogenes replies on Dec 10, 2017:

Just another bit- yes, right on about "doing volunteer work".