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I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
SethGerst comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Sounds to me like she thinks that is a human right to not be offended. That kind of thinking makes it very hard to make progress in society and have conversations that matter.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for your input.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
hankster comments on Jul 28, 2020:
I don't know whether or not you're a misogynist. it sounds like a kind of wasting your time thinking about this members disagreeable Behavior. maybe just move on?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
That's good advice. But it bothers me when someone accuses me of something and then blocks me immediately so I have no way to counter. This way, she can see my rebuttal.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
xenoview comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Sounds like you need to block her.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
I've got a feeling she will be the one doing the blocking as soon as she sees this post.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
oldFloyd comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Okay so I started to read this then I decided to go through the comments, then I went back and read the rest of this, in my opinion what it's worth it reminds me of a Monty Python DVD ROM it was called a complete waste of time, I believe others have said it's just somebody looking for an argument. ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
I feel the exact same way.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
barjoe comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Once she blocks somebody, it's s done deal. She's a neurotic. Why should she care? She could always unblock him to read the thread and block him again. If she had approached me with this. I'd have told her to do that. If she persisted I'd block her. I don't have time for nutcases. You're not a ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
Yes, exactly. Why not just unblock and then go and see the message herself if she was so curious about it. It was her decision to block which made this mess. Thanks for confirming I'm not a misogynist. It was rather ridiculous of her to make that allegation having such limited contact with me prior. I won't block her. I don't block anyone. But I'm sure she will absolutely block me as soon as she sees this post.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
Bobbyzen comments on Jul 28, 2020:
There are two possibilities here, IMHO: 1) She’s always in ready-for-a-fight mode and wasn’t going to end the conversation with you until she got what she wanted — a fight, which she precipitated. 2) She’s on edge and took your opinion personally about not blocking. Either way, ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
Thanks Bobby. It's as accurate as can be minus a name I took out. I copied and pasted directly from the message. I think it's probably number 2 because I've had other conversations with her in which she wasn't itching for a fight. She didn't expect me to be critical of her decision to block on a whim and that got her upset. Thing is, I'm always critical of anyone who does that.
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
FearlessFly comments on Jul 28, 2020:
I would consider her misogynist comment as ad hominem. I have had similar experience(s), two resulting in my removal from group (one was rescinded after the moderator was persuaded to just block me). In both cases, I was engaging in (what I consider to be) Critical Thinking, which was labeled ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
There are some people, even nonbelievers, who focus too much on the critical part of CT. I'm not going to limit my comments just because some people can't tell the difference between CT and being rude. I'm glad you take the same stance on blocking as I do. How can we have rational discourse if people have to be worried about being blocked by others who can't control their emotions?
I had a conversation with a member today which I found to be rather odd.
dermot235 comments on Jul 28, 2020:
No you are not a misogynist from what I have read in your post. Sounds like she does not want to debate but just vent. I had someone who told me I must have been abused as a child and was venting my pain because I disagreed with them. And they are one of the people that commented on your post here. ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 28, 2020:
Thanks, yeah I bet she was just upset and venting. I've had other conversations with her that went quite differently.
Are prison phone rates too high ? why/not ?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
It's clear that profit is the priority, not rehabilitation. It would be beneficial for the prisoners and their families if prisoners could more easily keep in contact. Prison is a fantasy come true for capitalists. A captive population which has very little option but to work constantly for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 27, 2020:
@TheInterlooper That's a tall order since I know of no free markets completely free of intervention.
Biden Tells Wall St. He Won't Crack Down On Them - YouTube
LovinLarge comments on Jul 25, 2020:
In your unsourced, undated clip where the moderator stresses the importance of "truth", he also says there are strong arguments that favor voting for Biden and acknowledges that Biden is the better candidate.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 26, 2020:
The date is July 25th, the source is Secular Talk You don't have to trust his "alleged" facts. You can hear it straight from Joe himself during an MSNBC interview. He clearly says that he plans to veto Med4All if it were to somehow get passed through Congress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8yuaM5Fd8
Are prison phone rates too high ? why/not ?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
It's clear that profit is the priority, not rehabilitation. It would be beneficial for the prisoners and their families if prisoners could more easily keep in contact. Prison is a fantasy come true for capitalists. A captive population which has very little option but to work constantly for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@TheInterlooper I assume you disagree. Do you have a rebuttal?
Are there any Republican Atheists that still support Trump?
LovinLarge comments on Jul 25, 2020:
Good question. I would also like to know if there are any conservative atheists that support Trump, and if so, on what basis?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@LovinLarge Most of them are too cowardly to participate with the general population. Some will post something asinine occasionally and then retreat when people start challenging them on it.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@jorj Sure, for those who are being detained for suspicion of damaging federal property, it's fine. But the agents are taking people in areas far from any federal buildings. There aren't very many federal buildings in Portland so their purview is small, yet they are inserting themselves beyond the areas where they belong. It is also very worrying that they have no identification because, for the people being snatched, there's no way to know if they are legit. So some people are being intimidated into not exercising their right to protest for fear that they may surrender to thugs masquerading as federal agents. And that is exactly why they are doing this. It's all about intimidation. Trump is desperate to get things under control, but if you look at the how the demonstrations are growing, it's having the opposite effect. Here's a video that I think breaks it down pretty well- https://agnostic.com/post/518450/lets-break-down-the-legality-of-the-actions-of-the-federal-agents-who-have-been-sent-to-portland-to
I don’t think I’ll soon forget this expression of terror on the face of a Portland protester.
hankster comments on Jul 25, 2020:
whatever the f*** that is that's latched onto that lady is no American.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
That thing is a fascist thug. The opposite of an American.
Naked Athena, Portland
bobwjr comments on Jul 24, 2020:
Wish I was there
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
Same here
Naked Athena, Portland
Cutiebeauty comments on Jul 25, 2020:
She's disturbed.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 25, 2020:
There are many adjectives that come to my mind when I think of her. Courageous, selfless, brave, beautiful... but disturbed is certainly not one of them.
Let's break down the legality of the actions of the federal agents who have been sent to Portland to...
FearlessFly comments on Jul 24, 2020:
. . . thanks for the 'break-down', I think the feds "legality" is going to break down :)
RoboGraham replies on Jul 24, 2020:
For sure They are standing in legal quick sand
Stacey Abrams’s Record Is Not as Progressive as She Wants You to Think
RoboGraham comments on Jul 24, 2020:
Is she progressive at all?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 24, 2020:
@Blackatheist1985 That's what I thought. She is a Joe Biden Democrat
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 24, 2020:
@jorj Right, if we buy into that logic, we will never have the right circumstances to vote for what's right rather than the lesser evil. I do think Trump is more dangerous than others because he is having federal agents detain protestors in violation of their constitutional rights, but still, they are all dangerous and I won't be voting for harm reduction anymore. Glad to hear it. I think voting is very important and is the bare minimum of civic duty. And I whole heartedly agree. If you don't exercise your right to vote, you have no right to complain about the results. I've never missed an opportunity to vote, although admittedly, I had been doing it wrong up until now. I won't be voting for any bribe takers either.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@jorj I know exactly what you mean. Do you think you'll bother to vote at all?
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@jorj He's officially a democrat. That's all they need. republicans are so heavily propagandized that they see that D in front of the name and it is automatically associated with communism.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@jorj They don't know who they're fucking with
Are prison phone rates too high ? why/not ?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
It's clear that profit is the priority, not rehabilitation. It would be beneficial for the prisoners and their families if prisoners could more easily keep in contact. Prison is a fantasy come true for capitalists. A captive population which has very little option but to work constantly for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@TheInterlooper Sure, I'm painting with broad strokes. Not getting into the nitty gritty details. Any free market. Competition on a free market leads to one, or a small group, of organizations putting the others out of business. It's inevitable, some will be more efficient, more ruthless, or be better connected than the others and will pull ahead becoming a juggernaut which the others can no longer compete with so they will be absorbed into the monopoly. This is why we we regulate.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe I've seen people on the left get angry about what Israel is doing and people mistake that for anti-Semitism, but never have I come across an actual leftie antisemite. Of course there are people like that on the right, they hate everybody.
Are prison phone rates too high ? why/not ?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
It's clear that profit is the priority, not rehabilitation. It would be beneficial for the prisoners and their families if prisoners could more easily keep in contact. Prison is a fantasy come true for capitalists. A captive population which has very little option but to work constantly for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@TheInterlooper Monopolies are inevitable in a truly free market. That's why we regulate them and break up corporations that get too big. If capitalist have an issue with the prohibition of drugs and sex work, why have all the capitalist countries outlawed those industries?
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe I haven't come across that but I'll take your word for it. I heard the same from st sinner but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. It is very odd that people still have that hatred.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe They will red bait whoever they go up against. Right now, with this crazy pandemic and economic downturn, people would be much more open to social democratic policies. In fact it's exactly what we need and I bet if there were a major candidate advocating for it right now, that person would be immensely popular but that's not happening because the donors won't allow it. I think that the people who have a problem with Jews, will be voting Trump regardless.
Are prison phone rates too high ? why/not ?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
It's clear that profit is the priority, not rehabilitation. It would be beneficial for the prisoners and their families if prisoners could more easily keep in contact. Prison is a fantasy come true for capitalists. A captive population which has very little option but to work constantly for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@TheInterlooper How you figure?
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@jorj Very true. If Joe wins, democracy has triumphed. If Trump wins, well it's because of the Russians, the racists, the deplorables, the Bernie Bros, probably the Chinese somehow, the greens, and of course, you and I because we are just so influencal.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe The fact that the worst you can say about the guy is that he's old really tells me that, yes, he would be a much better candidate. If I were to list the issues with Biden, it would take all day. And seriously, he's old, you know Biden's age? He's unappealing to just about everyone. I have yet to come across an enthusiastic Biden supporter. I'm sure there are some cops and CEOs and lobbyist who love him but as far as regular people go, yeah, he's unappealing. People are getting behind him because they hate Trump, not because they believe Joe is the best choice.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe They are trying to blow it by nominating an unappealing candidate who has to be hid away from cameras so he doesn't blow it with his jumbled words. Clinton got 3 million more votes. Lets not go inflating numbers. And if he were to win an electoral victory again, that's not stealing it, that's how it works here.
Trump Loves Dictators. Hates Democracies Show Me That Is Wrong
RoboGraham comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Democracy is coming for him November.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@barjoe Likewise. The democrats are trying to blow it again but considering the poor state that the country is in currently, maybe people will decide they have had enough winning.
Defund and dismantle the police! [youtube.com]
Storm1752 comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Defunding the police is a total libertarian nightmare. Biden wants to more intelligently fund the police. That's more like it. And yes, that'll cost a lot of money, another reason to redistribute wealth from the super rich to the lower socioeconomic classes.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd He's so intelligent that he has to rely on plagiarism for his speeches.
Defund and dismantle the police! [youtube.com]
Storm1752 comments on Jul 23, 2020:
Defunding the police is a total libertarian nightmare. Biden wants to more intelligently fund the police. That's more like it. And yes, that'll cost a lot of money, another reason to redistribute wealth from the super rich to the lower socioeconomic classes.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
They already have way too much funding. That's part of the problem. What we need to do is take some of that funding and put it elsewhere to improve public services. Defund doesn't mean abolish.
[youtu.be] I haven't followed this guy but he had some interesting things to say.
Storm1752 comments on Jul 22, 2020:
His premise is Trump is not stupid and/or incompetent. Do we know this for a fact?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@Storm1752 Yes, that is his strategy but Beau's point is that it is not going to work. Repression and the trampling of people's liberty creates sympathy for those being wronged by the government and antagonism toward the administration responsible for it. What he is doing is the exact opposite of what is advised because it turns people of neutral opinion away from the authorities and bolters support for those resisting. Do you truly believe that he will face prosecution after leaving office? Obama declined to go after Bush for war crimes, what makes you think that Biden will bother to try and hold Trump accountable for his wrong doing? They are all in the same club, they protect their own.
More loss of faith in the USA as a decent country.
p-nullifidian comments on Jul 22, 2020:
While I am confident that our republic is stronger than any one administration with senatorial lapdogs, it is nonetheless incredible how much damage one determinedly destructive president can do in the span of (let us hope) a mere 4 years!
RoboGraham replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@yvilletom Yes, there are many shameful moments that can pointed to as the beginning of the downward tend. Maybe it was when the founders wrote the bill of rights granting unprecedented freedoms to citizens but at the same time allowed slavery to continue.
[youtu.be] I haven't followed this guy but he had some interesting things to say.
Fred_Snerd comments on Jul 22, 2020:
Beau feels like a best friend.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 22, 2020:
I second that.
[youtu.be] I haven't followed this guy but he had some interesting things to say.
Storm1752 comments on Jul 22, 2020:
His premise is Trump is not stupid and/or incompetent. Do we know this for a fact?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 22, 2020:
@Storm1752 I don't follow what you are trying to express here.
More loss of faith in the USA as a decent country.
p-nullifidian comments on Jul 22, 2020:
While I am confident that our republic is stronger than any one administration with senatorial lapdogs, it is nonetheless incredible how much damage one determinedly destructive president can do in the span of (let us hope) a mere 4 years!
RoboGraham replies on Jul 22, 2020:
@powder I think the decent began with Reagan.
Question about Ben Shapiro
RoboGraham comments on Jul 22, 2020:
He seems to be intelligent and he is definitely a smooth talker but he does not think logically. His morals are questionable and I find him to be generally a very punchable person.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 22, 2020:
@powder His positions are derived from his religious belief. Religious belief is dependent upon faith-based reasoning which is in direct opposition to logic. So, I don't see how his reasoning can be logical. I'd certainly agree that he lacks empathy.
[youtu.be] I haven't followed this guy but he had some interesting things to say.
Storm1752 comments on Jul 22, 2020:
His premise is Trump is not stupid and/or incompetent. Do we know this for a fact?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 22, 2020:
He's arguing that Trump's decision to allow unidentified federal agents to detain peaceful protestors is both stupid and incompetent.
Republican John Kasich To Speak In Favor Of Biden At Dem Convention - YouTube
St-Sinner comments on Jul 21, 2020:
This is a very good news indeed! If Biden can sway the moderate and independent votes lost because of Hillary and Bernie in 2016, there is a chance of beating Trump. But undoing our own damage by Hillary and Bernie is a tall order. Books are being written about it. Wait for the history to reflect it...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@Blackatheist1985 And that's just the short list.
Schools Reopen?
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
If you were still teaching, would you be in the classroom everyday if they reopen?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@Grecio Well, there's your answer.
By what mechanisms does a nation that is sliding into fascism recover its democratic footing, other ...
kensmile4u comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Compulsory voting might help.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
Or at least ranked choice voting
By what mechanisms does a nation that is sliding into fascism recover its democratic footing, other ...
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
General strike, mass civil disobedience, and if all else fails, revolution.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@skado For those who aren't yet angry about it, it's because they are complacent and don't believe this effects them. It will take a major, negative shift in their lives, such as, losing their housing, job, healthcare... They will need to experience some suffering or be in close proximity to suffering of friends, family, and neighbors. And they will need someone there to direct the resulting anger, to explain that it's because of the leaders that this is happening. Otherwise, that anger will push them in a dangerous direction.
By what mechanisms does a nation that is sliding into fascism recover its democratic footing, other ...
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
General strike, mass civil disobedience, and if all else fails, revolution.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@skado We can do what we have been doing, talking to others and helping them to understand. We can hit the streets but that's tricky because of the virus. We can support leaders who are outside of the two party duopoly. And, unfortunately, I think more of us will need to be martyred like George Floyd.
US charges two Chinese spies for a global hacking campaign that targeted COVID- research ...
RoboGraham comments on Jul 21, 2020:
I don't understand why COVID research is classified. Shouldn't we all be sharing our information in an effort to solve the puzzle and create the vaccine as soon as possible for the good of all human kind? What's the point in keeping secrets on this issue?
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@FearlessFly Because the vaccine will arrive sooner rather than later and fewer Americans will die. Oh but that means that other countries get that benefit too and we can't have that.
For the visual learners, here's a an informative graphic to explain defundthepolice
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Works well! "Defund the Police" is frightening to people who've no experience with communities who've done it. We can't blame them for being concerned.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@LucyLoohoo I like it. Less threatening than defund but gets the message across.
For the visual learners, here's a an informative graphic to explain defundthepolice
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Works well! "Defund the Police" is frightening to people who've no experience with communities who've done it. We can't blame them for being concerned.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
Yes, especially when the word defund can easily be interpreted as taking away all money for police and abolishing it completely. I think it's not a good choice of words. Sounds better than, reallocate resources away from police and into programs that will increase the wellbeing of the public, though.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@AnneWimsey Do you actually consider Bernie Sanders' policies to be far left? And no that doesn't prove your point. It proves that you were wrong when you said "and you think there was a time in this country (any country!) When far-any-side positions had a chance to be adopted. & implemented?" There are many examples, both in this country and around the world, of radical policies being implemented.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@AnneWimsey And if you want to talk about other countries, the far right Nazi's took over in Germany, the far left Bolsheviks took over during the Russian Revolution, The far left Jacobins ended Feudalism in France, The far left Khmer Rouge took over in Cambodia, The Vietnamese went communist despite the best efforts of both the USA and the Frenchies. The list goes on and on.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@AnneWimsey Well yes, there have been times when radical policies have gone mainstream and become legislation. For instance, The New Deal, The Reagan Revolution, The Reconstruction Period following the Civil War which gave us the 13th and 14thAmedments, and the original Revolution itself which founded the country was extremely radical for the time.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@jorj Yes, the voting record is the best way to judge politicians because it is the most important thing that they do and reveals everything relevant to who they are and where their priorities lie. I don't care what comes out of their mouths. The voting record and donor list is all that matters. I was blind to what Bernie truly is until recently. You tried to warn me but I was all in. He was the shepherd herding us back into the establishment fold. He captured the political excitement and energy of the left and purposefully squandered it in order to keep the establishment powerful and satisfied. Then they turn around and use him as one of their convenient scapegoats when they fail to beat Trump. I won't trust any democrats anymore. I've left the party.
For the visual learners, here's a an informative graphic to explain defundthepolice
Bobbyzen comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Yes! That's what #DefundThePolice means! costofpolice.org shows percent of budget spent on police for the largest 300 cities. Overland Park, KS is where I live.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@Bobbyzen And the worst part is, sometimes they go looking for a reason to confiscate. I saw a video just yesterday about a marine and his wife being arrested in Tennessee because pot flakes were found on the floor of their car. Turns out it was dirt but that ruse allowed the officers to search and confiscate thousands of dollars which the guy happened to have on him because he had just closed his bank account and was on his way to open a new account at a different bank. After a year of court battling, he got his money back.
For the visual learners, here's a an informative graphic to explain defundthepolice
Bobbyzen comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Yes! That's what #DefundThePolice means! costofpolice.org shows percent of budget spent on police for the largest 300 cities. Overland Park, KS is where I live.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
It's absurd how much money we give them, and the vast array of issue that we expect them to handle.It is a stupid, bull headed approach. And the cops get even more money through donation, confiscations, and fines.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@AnneWimsey Here's the thing about that combined effort, it was the progressive leaders selling out and capitulating to the establishment. Many of us are able to see that clear as day and will not cooperate.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd Yes, and we are very far from true equality so protection is most definitely needed. Police are necessary. I don't think communism has to be the outcome of socialism. It is an ideology that can stand on it's own.
Watch and Let Me Know Your Thoughts... It's called Requiem for the American Dream
powder comments on Jul 21, 2020:
video unavailable in Australia according to youtube. Interesting
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
Perhaps you can watch it here- https://www.facebook.com/ExtinctionRebellion/videos/602798760321565/?v=602798760321565
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@jorj What you say is an unfortunate truth.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@jorj Totally Defund it's not a good choice of phrasing. It leads people to believe that it does mean defund completely. Not the best messaging. And of course I agree that they should drop Biden. He has little to offer.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
@jorj I've seen that reallocation of resources definition, in varying degrees. I've only seen the actually defund and abolish the police completely definition from people way out on the fringe, true communists. They don't represent the movement so to use their definition is to straw man the movement.
Wow.
RoboGraham comments on Jul 20, 2020:
And you reveal that you don't understand what defund the police means.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
@FearlessFly Maybe he is in Moscow
The Trump campaign's strategy to win in November and why it's a problem. [youtube.com]
Fred_Snerd comments on Jul 20, 2020:
Mao hated teachers too.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
Most authoritarians do. Teachers, intellectuals, professors, artists, students... anyone likely to see through the bullshit with use of critical thinking.
The Trump campaign's strategy to win in November and why it's a problem. [youtube.com]
TomMcGiverin comments on Jul 20, 2020:
The good news is that his poll numbers so far are way worse than four years ago. Trump campaigning and acting as a fascist? Well, duh..
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
@TomMcGiverin I sure hope they replace him but I doubt they will. With the polls looking the way they are, I'd imagine they are happy with their choice of nominee.
One of the best prank ideas in the history of pranks. [youtube.com]
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 20, 2020:
That one guy is SCARY!
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
Muscle Man angry
The Trump campaign's strategy to win in November and why it's a problem. [youtube.com]
Fred_Snerd comments on Jul 20, 2020:
American symbols...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
They don't know the meaning of the subtle.
The Trump campaign's strategy to win in November and why it's a problem. [youtube.com]
TomMcGiverin comments on Jul 20, 2020:
The good news is that his poll numbers so far are way worse than four years ago. Trump campaigning and acting as a fascist? Well, duh..
RoboGraham replies on Jul 20, 2020:
My fear is that, after the debates, that could change.
Black Lives Matter, Blue Lives Matter Protesters Square off in Brooklyn | NBC New York ...
RoboGraham comments on Jul 19, 2020:
There seem to be lots of "unofficial" arrests happening lately.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@LovinLarge It is very scary but I think it is a major mistake that the administration is making. By doing this authoritarian stuff, he is creating massive outrage and it only serves to bolster the cause. People feel sympathetic for protestors being snatched randomly by unmarked paramilitary soldiers. It makes them more likely to support our side.
Policing in America, we are doing it wrong, and it has disastrous consequences.
Bierbasstard comments on Jul 18, 2020:
I discovered him last year. I like that he's not afraid to revisit his perspectives and admit when he has made a mistake. More people should be like that.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 18, 2020:
Yes, I like that too. I think he is very reasonable and informative and I like that he is a veteran, it adds a unique perspective to things.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge Totally understandable. I'm working too but I'm fortunate in that I'm able to chat while working
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge I don't know about that. The shift toward a militaristic surveillance state with rigged elections seems like a pretty big threat to democracy. I do agree that Trump is worse but I don't know why you consider him to be so much worse. Would go into a little detail about that?
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
Varn comments on Jul 16, 2020:
If you refuse to support the *least worst* of your supposed choices, and continue to use this platform to demean the same, then you’re supporting the worst choice. No? I think you need some **serious growing up..** The bulk of this nation will choose our next president, as it’s now chosen ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@Varn So that's where your mind wonders to when thinking of me? Pretty creepy Varn. Creepy indeed.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge Trump and the republicans have accelerated it but the dems engage in it too. The dems have been militarizing police forces, they voted to extend the patriot act once again while they were simultaneously impeaching the president for his abuse of power, and worst of all, they have undermined democracy in their own primary elections to ensure the results that they prefer.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd That's wonderful. If it can be done, it will be accomplished in that way. We need to combine the best parts of the two ideologies. Personal responsibility and independence from reliance on big daddy government from the right wing, plus collective labor and egalitarian living from the socialists. I have an eco village communist co-op type place near me in Virginia. It's pretty cool. I went and visited a few years back and even considered joining up. They seem to work together in relative harmony and share most things and because they live frugally and share so much, they don't need much money, so they don't have to work all that much. No wage slavery there. They do what needs doing and enjoy the rest of their time with their homies in the village. Playing music, games and activities, drinking around the bon fire... I think that's how humans are meant to live.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge Same here. I think we are on the same page about most things. Where we differ is that I don't view the establishment dems as all that much less dangerous than the MAGA. Those two groups are taking the country in the same direction, it's just that one is doing it blatantly and aggressively while the other is doing it slyly and incrementally. Civility is essential. Unless someone provokes me, I will be civil. Almost unbelievably, I've managed to keep up civil correspondence with a few right wingers and we have even found some common ground. There is nothing more satisfying than a person who you consider to be an ideological enemy admitting that you've changed their thinking on an important issue.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd "Socialism is a revolution we're legally allowed to have." I don't think the government will see it that way. It's a revolution we should have, but i highly doubt it can be done through legal channels.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge Okay, sure. If you choose to label everything as incremental, even change which occurs in a relatively short span of time compared to how things usualy progress, then of course you are right. At least we agree that revolution is not incremental.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
St-Sinner comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Feedback? sure I don't take anything coming out of Bernie's mouth seriously. He is a menace to Democracy, going on individual ambitions pretending to care about people. The most unelectable candidate I have seen in life.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@St-Sinner Your views on him are very biased, emotional, and often just flat out false. Your feedback was irrelevant because the topic of discussion was whether or not the argument being made to challenge the anti-VBNW is any good. You took that as solicitation to go on, once again, about how much you hate Bernie. Irrelevant.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
JackPedigo comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Just what we need. Trying to throw off a total scumbag dictator and people try to throw monkey wrenches in the whole process. Biden was vice president for Obama who was a nobel prize winner and one of the better presidents. If Biden had problems we would have seen them by now and Obama wouldn't have...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@AnneWimsey " to compare him to any decent human being is unimaginable, " I think you must be making the assumption that Joe Biden is a decent human being.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
JackPedigo comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Just what we need. Trying to throw off a total scumbag dictator and people try to throw monkey wrenches in the whole process. Biden was vice president for Obama who was a nobel prize winner and one of the better presidents. If Biden had problems we would have seen them by now and Obama wouldn't have...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@AnneWimsey I couldn't agree more, which is why I will be voting for a sane person.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I was just wondering if you will at least acknowledge that Biden is more progressive and less corrupt than Trump.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge Thank you, I'll do the same for you.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@LovinLarge I agree that everything suddenly becoming perfect is a fantasy. However, change does not necessary need to be incremental. There are periods of rapid change that we can point to in history. For instance, after the election of Roosevelt in 32, sweeping reform occurred because his party won not only the presidency but the Congress as well, big time. So, soon after his win, Roosevelt and his coalition began passing radical legislation as part of the New Deal. A similar situation occurred just after the civil war ended when the radical republicans gave us two new amendments to the Constitution, the 13th, and 14th. It is true that change is usually incremental but not always. During times of extreme circumstances, radical change is a possibility.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Worth watching, thank you. Movements motivate change is an important point. The point that wasn't as obvious is that third party supporters are overlooking the fact that change is incremental because they aren't satisfied with that. But even if a third party candidate won, change would still be...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
If a third party were to actually manage to win, that would mean that there was massive discontent with the two party duopoly and the running of the country generally. That win would occur in Congress as well. It would be a wave of new representatives from outside the establishment and sweeping reform would be the result.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
St-Sinner comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Feedback? sure I don't take anything coming out of Bernie's mouth seriously. He is a menace to Democracy, going on individual ambitions pretending to care about people. The most unelectable candidate I have seen in life.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
More Bernie bashing from St. Sleazy. Maybe try to let it go, all the hatred is not good for a person's health.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
RoboGraham comments on Jul 17, 2020:
I'd love to give you some feedback but I need to know what BNMW means
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@skado I felt the same way. His idea that we are voting for the guy who we want to be fighting with over the next four years makes sense. Which is why I do hope Biden wins if it has to come down to the two of them. Still, no way I'll ever vote for him.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
Lavergne comments on Jul 17, 2020:
How about we go back to where this problem really got out of hand - a big round of applause to Nancy Reagan and her "just say no" anti drug propaganda. She was sooooo sure if they just clamped down on all those young, pot smokers we would have a drug free America. HA! People clamored for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@AnneWimsey Exactly right, the final version of the bill was watered down, less draconian and less favorable to the cops. If he had his way, it would have been worse.
The best argument I've heard, so far, against my Anti-BNMW stance. Feedback, please. [youtu.be]
RoboGraham comments on Jul 17, 2020:
I'd love to give you some feedback but I need to know what BNMW means
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@skado Oh duh, thanks
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
JackPedigo comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Just what we need. Trying to throw off a total scumbag dictator and people try to throw monkey wrenches in the whole process. Biden was vice president for Obama who was a nobel prize winner and one of the better presidents. If Biden had problems we would have seen them by now and Obama wouldn't have...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@JackPedigo So much for that no longer responding to anything we have to say idea of yours. I agree with everything you said in that last comment but I'm not really sure how any of it is relevant to your stance on supporting Biden.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
Fred_Snerd comments on Jul 16, 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0qOaFZfoac
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
I almost can't believe the nominee is the crime bill guy as the country is rising up in protest against police brutality.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
JackPedigo comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Just what we need. Trying to throw off a total scumbag dictator and people try to throw monkey wrenches in the whole process. Biden was vice president for Obama who was a nobel prize winner and one of the better presidents. If Biden had problems we would have seen them by now and Obama wouldn't have...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@JackPedigo Sure, the MAGA people are very ignorant toward the dangers that their leader presents to the world. And it's the same for those who blindly support the establishment democrats and their destructive policies.
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RoboGraham comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I can see a lot of people on here getting upset about this. ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE ARE THE SAME AS THE MAGA CREATURES? I expect they will say. This should get interesting.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@MarkWD Same to ya.
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RoboGraham comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I can see a lot of people on here getting upset about this. ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE ARE THE SAME AS THE MAGA CREATURES? I expect they will say. This should get interesting.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@MarkWD How is that extortion? No one can force you to vote a certain way. Criticizing Biden with accurate information is not destruction of his chances. That's how politics works. That's how democracy works. We are all free to speak and point the flaws in candidates. If we are able to criticize him to the point that his chances are ruined, that's on him, that's him failing at politics and leadership. Who is demanding that people vote for Bernie? He isn't even on the ballot. On the other hand, the Biden Bros are being very aggressive about demanding that we all vote for their candidate.
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RoboGraham comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I can see a lot of people on here getting upset about this. ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE ARE THE SAME AS THE MAGA CREATURES? I expect they will say. This should get interesting.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@MarkWD How can your vote be extorted?
Joke Biden is kinda goofy and a DNC tool, but trump is a tiny handed facist.
p-nullifidian comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Even if Joe Biden were to drop dead the day after his inauguration, whoever he selects as his running mate would be a massive improvement over Trump, in terms of foreign policy / international relations, judicial appointments, environmental rollbacks, pro-science policies, ethnic inclusion and sheer...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@jorj Well said, People don't like to hear the negatives about the Obama/Biden administration but it is very relevant and important. The dempublicans are a single party divided into two wings. A far right wing and center right wing. They agree on most policy although it may not seem that way because the dem wing of the party pays lip service to issues that people on the left care about. The two wings serve the same set of constituents, and it ain't the people.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
Lavergne comments on Jul 17, 2020:
How about we go back to where this problem really got out of hand - a big round of applause to Nancy Reagan and her "just say no" anti drug propaganda. She was sooooo sure if they just clamped down on all those young, pot smokers we would have a drug free America. HA! People clamored for ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 17, 2020:
Very true But Biden is Mr. tough on crime, author of the crime bill. Of those who are still around today, he deserves more of the blame than any of the politicians who produced that regressive policy.
Do doctors and pharmacists use Gregg shorthand???
Cast1es comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I once picked up a prescription from the pharmacy , went home and took a pill , then got a phone call from the pharmacist that he'd given me the wrong medication . He'd noticed my age and the fact that I was female , so'd put together a prescription based on what he thought the doctor would have ...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 16, 2020:
Dang, that's scary.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
JackPedigo comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Just what we need. Trying to throw off a total scumbag dictator and people try to throw monkey wrenches in the whole process. Biden was vice president for Obama who was a nobel prize winner and one of the better presidents. If Biden had problems we would have seen them by now and Obama wouldn't have...
RoboGraham replies on Jul 16, 2020:
If you haven't seen the problems by now, you haven't been paying attention.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
LovinLarge comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I was just wondering if you will at least acknowledge that Biden is more progressive and less corrupt than Trump.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@LovinLarge Democracy is having the right to vote for whoever you wish. I plan to exercise it exactly as it is meant to be.
Joe Biden's America? Count me out. [youtube.com]
Storm1752 comments on Jul 16, 2020:
I really like Joe, always have. He'll be a great president.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@Storm1752 Yeah, no doubt about that.
richard wolffe [youtu.be]
Fred_Snerd comments on Jul 16, 2020:
Spot on.
RoboGraham replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@TheInterlooper What would you change about our capitalist system to make it better?

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