This for those of you critical of the Bernie supporters who are not likely to support Biden.

FearlessFly comments on Apr 15, 2020:

. . . nothing wrong with OPINIONs, but . . . This wordpress (ANYONE can have their own site) BLOG (ANYONE can post/comment) is not what I would call a credible source, just sayin'.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

This is a very Dude response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

This for those of you critical of the Bernie supporters who are not likely to support Biden.

1of5 comments on Apr 15, 2020:

* “As for the obscene racial inequalities that plague the U.S. economy, which preceded the pandemic and have only been magnified in recent months, all Biden promises is to “focus like a laser” on “the racial disparities in Covid-19 cases”—as if those disparities are themselves not caused...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

I think his connection with Obama has a little bit to do with it.

Obama endorses Joe Biden. 4/14/2020 [axios.com]

mtnhome comments on Apr 15, 2020:

Well, I hope he gets out there and campaigns for Biden like all hell. The opposition will make a very big deal about a lukewarm endorsement.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

He's going to need it. His connection with Obama is just about all that Joe has going for him.

Do you think Biden stands a chance of winning the election?

mtnhome comments on Apr 15, 2020:

We just finished a long round of primaries, so this question is behind us now. Smart people are looking forward to spending our energies with trying to dig ourselves out of the huge assortment of shit-pits we've been thrown into by the current resident of the WH. I believe most of us have already ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

Far from it.

Do you think Biden stands a chance of winning the election?

SpikeTalon comments on Apr 15, 2020:

The recent sexual assault allegations against Biden will come back to haunt him later...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

As well as his terrible record and mental decline.

What if ALL drugs were legal?

mtnhome comments on Apr 15, 2020:

I think those with addictive personalities would kill themselves off pretty quickly. I've been a supporter of this idea (eliminate recreational drug restrictions) for most of my life. Let them do what they want. The rest of us will be fine.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

When drugs are legal, people with addictions have a much lower death rate. They tend to get help rather than punishment in societies that don't shame them. Their lives are much better because they don't have the stigma of being criminals and they are able to function much more regularly. Because their lives are better, they don;t abuse the drugs as much and their health is better because of it. Prohibition is the worst thing for addicts and the best thing for criminal enterprises.

What if ALL drugs were legal?

Green_Chile_Type comments on Apr 15, 2020:

I used to believe that libertarian approach would be best for all. Now I think it naive. Losing someone to addiction convinced me that some drugs need to be controlled. I'm not sure prohibition is the way control should be maintained; I don't know if Portugal's model, or the Swiss model, would work ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

Yes there needs to be some control for sure. I think a more compassionate approach would work much better than the war on drugs strategy that we have been using.

What if ALL drugs were legal?

Cutiebeauty comments on Apr 15, 2020:

Alcohol is legal... That has many problems associated with it... Making drugs legal would increase the problem significantly...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

That's true, there are many problems with alcohol, and all of those problems were much worse during prohibition with some new problems added in.

To the Biden Supporters.

1of5 comments on Apr 13, 2020:

*...understand that the best way to do that would be to get behind a candidate which the entire party can be satisfied with.* Good god you're an idiot. The Democratic party is a conglomeration of factions, not some unified whole. Thinking there's a canidate all of the dems will magically get ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

@1of5 Fucking idiocy. The electoral college benefits the other side. Yes candidates have won without winning the popular vote and it has been their side, not ours. Again, we have to over-win because it is systemically imbalanced, all the small rural red states have outsized representation. Democrats live in cities moron. Unless your strategy is to go after these small rural states? Is that what you want? To turn the party into a totally conservative party in order to win the EC without getting the popular vote because that's what it would take. You are advocating for a retarded strategy one would expect to have been thought up by drunk children. The republicans have this tactic on lock down, you are not going to win Arkansas and and Wyoming no matter which shitty conservative democrat you run. So you want to go after moderate republicans then? As I told you before, Trump has the republican party devoted to him. He has a 92% favoribility rating with them. It is a fools errand. And to go down that road, you have to adopt policies which appeal to them. Which means you are taking the party further right. There already is a right wing party and it's horrible, why turn our party right wing as well? You moderates claim to have the intention of creating slow incremental movement toward progress and yet you are willing to step right and pander to the people who are destroying this world. This is why progressives are viewing democrats as ideologically opposed to them. You are willing to turn your back on the people attempting to improve this country in order to court republicans, very stupid. Triggered is a term used on all sides. It seems to happen to you a lot. Perhaps some counseling would be good for you. This is a very stressful time with the election and pandemic and the all crazy stuff going on in the world right now. Feel better, and thanks for letting me have the last word on this one. It's quite a relief to know that I won't be encountering another of your angry rants. For a while at least.

Could this pandemic have been prevented if we did not rely on economists to run our society?

FearlessFly comments on Apr 14, 2020:

. . . really ? Your source for economic "expertise" is Putins' mouthpiece ? literally unbelievable :O

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

@Lorajay They cover the aspects related to Joe that the American corporate media mostly ignores. They mention his sexual assault allegations, his hawkish foreign policy record, his eagerness to cut social security and medicaid, his involvement in the creation of the crime bill which gave us mass incarceration, his cozy relationship with credit card companies and other large corporations, his declining mental state... It is refreshing to consume news which is free from the constraints places on the major networks.

I think I like being the pariah here, so I'm about to make another infamous post.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Where are you going find enough respirators and face shields for everyone? To allow the virus to spread freely, as you are advocating, will result in megadeath. A sudden significant drop in the global population will also cause economic hardship. The economy can recover, all of those dead people ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 15, 2020:

@Nunya These things always have second waves. I'm not saying that we should wait a while then send everyone back to work as if things have gone back to normal. Of course we need to take proper precautions when we do open the economy up again. The point I'm making is that we shouldn't do that until the curve has been flattened and hopefully by the time the restrictions are lifted and the economy re-opens, people and businesses will have the protections needed to go back to work safely because during this time of quarantine, we will be producing those things in large numbers.

To be clear, the United States Supreme Court in Gibbons v.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 14, 2020:

This president doesn't give a damn about the constitution. And the Congress showes no interest in challenging his power.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@lerlo Fair enough

To the Biden Supporters.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Drop the "royal we"

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@MarkiusMahamius Some see it that way. Others don't, and those others are the "we" I'm talking about.

Could this pandemic have been prevented if we did not rely on economists to run our society?

FearlessFly comments on Apr 14, 2020:

. . . really ? Your source for economic "expertise" is Putins' mouthpiece ? literally unbelievable :O

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@FearlessFly That is a valid concern. But RT America is produced here where there is freedom of press.

Could this pandemic have been prevented if we did not rely on economists to run our society?

FearlessFly comments on Apr 14, 2020:

. . . really ? Your source for economic "expertise" is Putins' mouthpiece ? literally unbelievable :O

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@FearlessFly I like RT because it provides newd without American bias. All news sources have their flaws. It's best to balance it out with a wide variety. I'm sure RT is far from perfect but at least it's a difference perspective.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Bierbasstard It is very scary. Which is why I'm so disappointed with their pick of nominee.

Could this pandemic have been prevented if we did not rely on economists to run our society?

FearlessFly comments on Apr 14, 2020:

. . . really ? Your source for economic "expertise" is Putins' mouthpiece ? literally unbelievable :O

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@FearlessFly America has demonstrated not just intent to attack but has actually done plenty of attacking all over the world. So do you consider American sources invalid as well?

To be clear, the United States Supreme Court in Gibbons v.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 14, 2020:

This president doesn't give a damn about the constitution. And the Congress showes no interest in challenging his power.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@lerlo You disagree but you have no counterpoint. Sounds good to me.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Yes indeed. For the record, I am rooting for Joe, he is the lesser evil.

To be clear, the United States Supreme Court in Gibbons v.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 14, 2020:

This president doesn't give a damn about the constitution. And the Congress showes no interest in challenging his power.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@lerlo Impeachment was political theater. As she was impeaching him, pelosi and the house democrats approved his historically enormous military budget, his space force, and wall money. They renewed the Patriot act for him and haven't actually challenged him on anything significant. How does it make sense that they are resisting him by impeaching him when they know full well that it will die in the Senate, and increasing his power as noted above while arguing that he has abused his power and obstructed justice? Impeachment was a distraction to make it appear that they are resisting him while actually going along with his agenda.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Buddha Oh for sure. His negatives far outweigh his positives. I don't think he is as bad as Trump but he is certainly not a good man.

I was talking to my cousin on the phone yesterday, and I expressed some consternation at our ...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 13, 2020:

After each primary, the democrats nominate a centrists who puts his middle finger up to the progressive base in favor of courting conservatives and it shifts the party's ideology a bit right each cycle. Only Obama had the sense to run a progressive hope and change campaign and reveal his centrism ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@William_Mary Good choice

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Bierbasstard It will be the same as last time. Bernie will campaign harder than the candidate him/her-self and Trump will win anyway. No one is inspired by status quo Joe.

I was talking to my cousin on the phone yesterday, and I expressed some consternation at our ...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 13, 2020:

After each primary, the democrats nominate a centrists who puts his middle finger up to the progressive base in favor of courting conservatives and it shifts the party's ideology a bit right each cycle. Only Obama had the sense to run a progressive hope and change campaign and reveal his centrism ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@William_Mary Biden would be slightly better than Trump. He would slow that movement toward fascism but will still be moving us in the wrong direction. Point is, never vote for either for them.

To the Biden Supporters.

Cutiebeauty comments on Apr 13, 2020:

I generally respected you. Before this post..

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Cutiebeauty The lesser evil is still evil. Even if Joe Biden were to somehow win, we will still have crappy policy from an unprincipled president. I'm sorry but choosing the rapist with the slightly less right wing policies is not something I can do.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Many of us said that we would vote blue no matter who, meaning we will vote for a democrat no matter what, and that democrat is Bernie Sanders.

To the Biden Supporters.

Cutiebeauty comments on Apr 13, 2020:

I generally respected you. Before this post..

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

You don't respect people who disagree with you, got it.

To the Biden Supporters.

St-Sinner comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Get behind the candidate? After all this stupidity?? The damage is done. It now cannot be undone. The extreme polarization by Sanders in the Democratic Party in the last 6 years cannot be undone. It is widely written about since the last 2016 election how Sanders supporters sat 2016 out. It is ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

You called it alright. You were more aware of how corrupt and despicable the part is than I was. Great job

To the Biden Supporters.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 13, 2020:

I agree Robo, but I think you give too much credit to that first group you refer to, the ones who will supposedly vote Dem no matter who the nominee is. Most of them won't admit it, but I think the majority of them were never going to support or vote for Bernie if he had gotten the nomination last ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@TomMcGiverin When did you give up on the democrats?

To the Biden Supporters.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Drop the "royal we"

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

I would if I were referring to myself just, but I'm not, I'm referring to us.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Buddha Not sure what you are referring to as a misconception.

I think I like being the pariah here, so I'm about to make another infamous post.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Where are you going find enough respirators and face shields for everyone? To allow the virus to spread freely, as you are advocating, will result in megadeath. A sudden significant drop in the global population will also cause economic hardship. The economy can recover, all of those dead people ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 14, 2020:

@Nunya Of course it won't be over in a few months but the curve will be flattened by then. That's the entire point of doing this shut down.

To the Biden Supporters.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 13, 2020:

I agree Robo, but I think you give too much credit to that first group you refer to, the ones who will supposedly vote Dem no matter who the nominee is. Most of them won't admit it, but I think the majority of them were never going to support or vote for Bernie if he had gotten the nomination last ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@TomMcGiverin This will be the first time I've ever not voted democrat and I've always voted. Have you ever voted 3rd party before?

To the Biden Supporters.

1of5 comments on Apr 13, 2020:

*...understand that the best way to do that would be to get behind a candidate which the entire party can be satisfied with.* Good god you're an idiot. The Democratic party is a conglomeration of factions, not some unified whole. Thinking there's a canidate all of the dems will magically get ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Excuse me, conservatives then. Regardless of who on the right you go after, to do so, you have to cater to their preferences and those conservative preferences are not what the democratic party is supposed to stand for and not what's good for the country. This is what has been happening for decades. The democrats nominate a centrists who puts his middle finger up to the progressive base in favor of courting conservatives and it shifts the party's ideology a bit right each cycle. Only Obama had the sense to run a progressive hope and change campaign and reveal his centrism later. Over time, the democratic party is becoming a conservative party and that is why so many on the left are disillusioned and disgruntled. It should come as no surprise that so many of us are ready and willing to jump ship.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA What makes Biden a good man?

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Mofo1953 You've got to be repetitive when the person you are talking to has a difficult time processing simple concepts. Just because only two parties win doesn't mean voters have only two options. That line of thinking, that those two are the only two, is what causes those two to win every time and allows the corrupt elites of the two corporate parties to keep their stranglehold on power. If both candidates from the corporate parties are trash, vote for someone who isn't. If enough people do, some other party can win. "yet based on your stupid position of not supporting the blue wave just because you think Biden would be as bad for America" You speak about the blue wave as though it is a foregone conclusion. My position of not supporting this blue wave, which you are claiming will come, is stupid, you say.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Bierbasstard They're all imperfect. Bernie is the least imperfect. Now that this virus is upon us, it looks to me like Americans are chomping at the bit for those radical progressive policies. UBI, healthcare paid for by government, student loan relief... This moment was tailor made for Bernie but he handed it off to his good friend Joe.

To the Biden Supporters.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You and I both know there are many people who usually vote Dem in presidential elections that would rather lose with a centrist than win with a progressive, esp. members of the DNC, but getting them to admit it is another thing....

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

For sure, it's great for their fund raising and it assures that nothing changes. The status quo is great if it's working for you. They don't want to rock the boat just because millions of people don't have healthcare and half a million are homeless, and the climate crisis is fast approaching.... none of that matters to them.

To the Biden Supporters.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 13, 2020:

I agree Robo, but I think you give too much credit to that first group you refer to, the ones who will supposedly vote Dem no matter who the nominee is. Most of them won't admit it, but I think the majority of them were never going to support or vote for Bernie if he had gotten the nomination last ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

That's true. I'm sure many are hypocrites. But I think most would have voted for Sanders. They don't vote based on policy, that is abundantly clear. They hate Trump and Bernie is decent and authentic, people like that. He could have won over most of them. For them, its the fact that this is the person the party has nominated and the one who has a chance at beating Trump, that's all they care about. As I've been arguing with these people, I notice that none of them try to counter my assertions. They don't try to stand up for Biden and talk about how he actually is a good leader, and didn't do all that horrible stuff. They just accept that he is a shit sandwich but they believe that he is the shit sandwich that they believe can beat Trump somehow, so it's full steam ahead on the Biden train and if you don't jump onboard you're a traitor. It's crazy how they think.

To the Biden Supporters.

1of5 comments on Apr 13, 2020:

*...understand that the best way to do that would be to get behind a candidate which the entire party can be satisfied with.* Good god you're an idiot. The Democratic party is a conglomeration of factions, not some unified whole. Thinking there's a canidate all of the dems will magically get ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

Aww snap, 1/5 is triggered again. What makes you think anyone can win over voters in the other party? Trump is at 92% favorability with republicans. We win by having high turn out, not going after conservatives who will never flip no matter who we run. We get high turnout with progressive policy and youth energy as Obama did. Biden doesn't have that and never will. Of course there is no candidate who can satisfy everyone. But when there is a situation in which one side says they will vote for the party nominee no matter what and the other side says we won't accept another shitty corporate centrists, you'd think it would be smart not to nominate the shittiest corporate democrat of the bunch. Biden was selected in conditions extremely favorable to Biden. A media that was so abundantly on his side he didn't really have to campaign, his people hid him away and let the talking heads do the work for him and they hardly ever covered any of the negative stories related to him. An establishment which was so opposed to his main rival that they put every obstacle available in front of the opponent and pulled all the necessary strings to clinch victory for Biden. State democratic parties which had no scruples with closing polling places in poor and urban areas which tended to vote for Bernie, counting incorrectly and then saying corrections can't be made in order to protect the integrity of the caucus, and setting things up so that all the moderates drop out at the critical moment and the one other progressive remains in to to split the vote.Not to mention that the primary itself is favorable to Joe because most states have closed races so independents can't vote and Bernie does very well with independents, he's been one for most of his career. they are the largest voting block so it's kind of important to get them. And of course there's the youth vote. Yes they are fickle indeed. It's difficult to get them out for the general and very difficult to get them to give a shit about a primary. It's even more difficult when the establishment goes around shutting down polling places that happen to be located near college campuses. How do you think you can win the electoral college without winning the most votes? Last time the democrats won the most votes and still didn't win the college. You need to not just win the most votes but over-win, by millions. Your diatribe makes no sense. Good luck courting those conservatives. How are you planning to convince them to vote Biden? Biden is the more principled rapist? Biden is a right winger so it's pretty much like you are voting republican anyway? Biden is basically the same as Trump but the things he says are a little less crazy and he is a bit more presentable? Let me know how it goes.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Right, it didn't work in 16. more is required than just telling everyone to vote for your party no matter what to win a presidential election. Biden and Sanders are both blue so what's your point?

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Mofo1953 "your opinion is not a fact" You said that too me. Well neither is yours. You are the one claiming that there will be a blue wave, your opinion is not fact. It's not a binary choice, there are many options. It was never in doubt that Bernie would be loyal to the party and endorse the DNC selection, just as he did in 16. That's an obvious call. The naive assumption is that there will be a blue wave with status quo Joe leading the party.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA I have no doubt that you will survive. It's the people who have no healthcare, who have been kicked out of their homes, who can't afford their medications, who can't get out of debt, they are the ones who may not survive this mess.

To the Biden Supporters.

Burner comments on Apr 13, 2020:

The DNC chose Biden, not whatever individuals you think youre talking to.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

That's very true, however, there are now many people who are demanding loyalty to Biden and attempting to shame anyone who decides that it's unacceptable to vote for a creepy right wing sex offender. Those are the people I'm talking to.

To the Biden Supporters.

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

You are still assuming that people who didn't support Sanders would have voted for him. I guarantee you would be have been proven wrong and a fair share would have stayed home. Why won't you follow Sanders' pledge and request of his followers to support whomever gets the nomination? It's what he ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

That assumption is based on the vote blue no matter who strategy which the democrats have based all of their hopes on. I heard it nonstop since Trump got in there so I assume that the people who have been yelling it the loudest would stick to it, unless they are hypocrites. I don't blindly follow anyone. Sanders is a very imperfect leader and I'm not going to allow him to persuade me to do something unreasonable.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Mofo1953 What blue wave? Your opinion is not fact. how do expect to create a blue wave with Biden at the top of the ticket?

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA I notice that, whenever I bring this stuff up, the Biden supporter I'm talking to doesn't bother to attempt to defend Joe or counter what I'm saying in anyway. You guys have just accepted that you have a terrible candidate and then you demand that we all vote for him without providing any persuasive arguments to do so. When we say we won't do it, you dismiss us and tell us to go vote for someone else, just like Joe himself does. It's really not a good strategy.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Mofo1953 I totally agree, Trump needs to be kicked out. Your method of kicking him out though is extremely naive. Biden, or a slug, is not good enough. Trump is an incumbent now and he will be even tougher to beat this time around. The party has nominated a very similar candidate to Hillary, who lost to him. And Biden is even worse than Hillary was. He has sexual assault allegation which are believable because of his creepy touching of women and girls. He is in cognitive decline and it is very apparent. His record is horrendous. He has very very little support with the youth and he is offering nothing but status quo. This is the worst case scenario and Trump will benefit from it. I hope you boomers are happy with what you have created.

To the Biden Supporters.

Fred_Snerd comments on Apr 13, 2020:

To me, the vote is a joke. Politicians will make arrangements to get what they personally want. The citizen has long been left behind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

So True. The fact that both parties are engaged in this behavior is a very important detail which is too often overlooked. So many people see it in black and white. Republicans are corrupt but democrats are good guys. Until we reject both of these corrupt institutions, we will continue to be screwed by both of them.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA Good men don't touch women and girls inappropriately. Good men don't stand with segregationists during the civil rights movement. Good men don't write bills that cause mass incarceration and tear apart minority communities. Good men don't enthusiastically argue in favor of an illegal war of aggression. good men don't craft legislation which makes it impossible for people to get debt relief through bankruptcy. Good men don't lie and plagiarize constantly. Good men don't vow to veto a rational healthcare system if the legislation reaches his desk. Good men don't lead in favor of wealthy donors and special interests at the expense of the people. Good men don't attempt to cut medicare and social security. Good men don't use their power and influence for personal gain and nepotism. The list goes on and on. This is not a good man, this a man somewhat less evil than Trump himself and we will never support him. I'd sooner shit on your kitchen floor than give this crook my vote.

All of the Biden supporters telling Sanders supporters how wrong Sanders is or was and telling them ...

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Oh? Like they have been telling any other democrat supporter for the past 14 months? Or those giving Biden a list of "demands"? Hypocrites.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Well, we shall see if the moderates are able to get it done with others doing their job for them.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Mofo1953 I'd say the person who needs to do some "maturin" is the guy who isn't able to bring anything of real substance to the discussion and instead tells people to fuck off when he has lost the debate.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA Democrats who selected Biden as nominee deserve to be shamed. He is the worst possible challenger to Trump and his nomination essentially ensures a Trump Victory. You can scapegoat us all you want. The result will be the same. A weak democratic candidate in cognitive decline will be eviscerated by Trump. We could have settled on someone who both sides can get behind but instead you all chose status quo Joe, a completely intolerable candidate and anyone with a functioning set of morals will find it difficult to support him.

All of the Biden supporters telling Sanders supporters how wrong Sanders is or was and telling them ...

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Oh? Like they have been telling any other democrat supporter for the past 14 months? Or those giving Biden a list of "demands"? Hypocrites.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Bierbasstard No, if Trump is re-elected I will continue to complain that the party chose the worst possible candidate and now we have Trump again. It will be a repeat of what happened last time but worse because Trump is now an incumbent and Biden is an even weaker candidate than Hillary. Does it not make sense to choose a candidate who the progressives are willing to vote for? There are vote blue no matter who folks who don't care which candidate it is, they just want a democrat. Then there are progressives and anti-establishment folks who are voting based on policy and values rather than simply voting against Trump. So if you select a candidate that appeals to them, that candidate will get their enthusiastic support as well as the vote blue no matter who people. But they chose the candidate least tolerable to us and then that candidate's pathetic attempt to appeal to us was practically a spit in the face so here we are.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Haemish1 Biden has made it abundantly clear that he loathes progressivism. I suspect that attempting to form him into a modern day FDR would be a fool's errand.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Mofo1953 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

GOTTA VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT! BLUE WAVE IN NOVEMBER!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

And you expect to make that blue wave happen with Biden at the head of the ticket?

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Buddha comments on Apr 12, 2020:

you're correct, our country will never be the same. And, even if biden wins, he isn't sharp enough or committed to the progressive movement. I have no faith in him.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@FrankA The party is helping to re-elect Trump by nominating the worst candidate available. You vote blue no matter who folks seem to forget that a leader must earn support and votes. If he fails to earn them, that's on him. Shaming the people who have reservations about him is the worst way to go about attempting to convince them to get onboard and is a great strategy to ensure a Trump victory again.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

racocn8 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

Trump promised that the Country was going to re-open today. What a good idea that was! He'd have done it too, if the adults hadn't stopped him. Now we learn that he wanted to let Covid "wash" through the country, kill a couple million Americans, and not do anything at all. He's a genius ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Captain_Feelgood I take them diligently. Do you have any sort of rational argument to dispute what I have said or are you just going to rely on corny responses which are totally meaningless?

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Specman comments on Apr 12, 2020:

Incredible all the Trump haters out there. The country was doing just fine until the Chinese virus hit . SinSTFU

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

Yes, everything was just fine until a natural disaster came along and revealed how unprepared and lacking of leadership Trump is.

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

racocn8 comments on Apr 12, 2020:

Trump promised that the Country was going to re-open today. What a good idea that was! He'd have done it too, if the adults hadn't stopped him. Now we learn that he wanted to let Covid "wash" through the country, kill a couple million Americans, and not do anything at all. He's a genius ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Captain_Feelgood The fact that Trump said he hopes the economy would be open by easter shows his ignorance and poor leadership. Anyone who knows anything about how pandemics work would know better than to have any hope that it would be over so quickly. To even say that it could happen publicly is dangerous because it encourages people to not take it seriously and go about their business as usual which spreads the virus further. A truly good and decent leader would be doing the opposite. He would be using all of his air time and influence to encourage people to stay inside and take precautions. Trump does not care about people. He only cares about his own image and he has tied his legacy to a booming economy so he is willing to put people in danger for the sake of his own political optics. He didn't take it seriously until it was too late, he dismissed the pandemic response team, and now the USA has more COVID-19 deaths than any other country. USA #1, Make America Great, highest death toll in the world! Wooohooo America Fuck Yeah!

We may never un-do what Republican law makers are doing, and getting away with doing, during this ...

Chickenwing comments on Apr 12, 2020:

I vehemently disagree with you. The right to peacefully assemble is a citizens right.Besides mega churches there are far more people at Walmart than local religious places.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

Going to a store to get needed items must be done. Going to a church service is totally unnecessary and puts people in danger for no good reason.

All of the Biden supporters telling Sanders supporters how wrong Sanders is or was and telling them ...

Bierbasstard comments on Apr 13, 2020:

Oh? Like they have been telling any other democrat supporter for the past 14 months? Or those giving Biden a list of "demands"? Hypocrites.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

It's been the establishment democrats who have been pushing the vote blue no matter who mantra the whole time.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The majority of your info seems to come from bloggers and opinion peices on social media. Its amazing to me, that you feel comfortable drawing the conclusions you do. Cognitive dissonance? *my info must be right, so the majority of people must be wrong* And no, im not volunteering to help you ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@MarkiusMahamius What is the thought trap?

We have a country to save.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

The country does indeed need saving. So why did they select the candidate least capable of saving it?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 13, 2020:

@Varn I think you're dazed and confused. 😵

I think I like being the pariah here, so I'm about to make another infamous post.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Where are you going find enough respirators and face shields for everyone? To allow the virus to spread freely, as you are advocating, will result in megadeath. A sudden significant drop in the global population will also cause economic hardship. The economy can recover, all of those dead people ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 12, 2020:

@Nunya That sounds like a recipe for disaster. People are taking it much more seriously here in MD. Some businesses remain open but many won't allow people inside, they bring the stuff you buy to your car. Others keep track of how many people are inside and won't allow more than 5 or 10 or 15 people in depending on the size of the building. There are lines drawn 6 feet apart at check out and people are meant to stay spread out. The majority of people you see out and about are wearing face masks. Despite all of these precautions, our numbers are much higher than yours in Kentucky. I assume that is because we have a much higher population density and it reached us sooner. If people are behaving so cavalier about it as you described, I bet it will hit your state hard too before long. People will start to take it more seriously then. It was like that here at first too. I went to home depot two weeks ago and the cashier said she wanted to wear a mask but management won't allow it because they don't want to scare customers away. I went back yesterday and all of the employees were wearing masks. At this point, pretty much everybody knows somebody who has it so it has become much more real. My best friends brother has it as well as a coworker of mine. As far as flattening the curve goes, as far as I can tell, the precautions we are taking are working. We haven't seen the worst of it yet but so far, our medical system has not been overwhelmed. Apparently, the hospitals have been less busy than usual because people are staying home rather going out and about getting injured and many non-emergency procedures have been postponed. That's a good thing, it mostly frees up the system to deal with COVID. I think the longer we keep these precautions in place, the better off we will be. Sure work places can be made safer but really, if it's not essential work, why risk it? All that stuff can wait a couple more months until all of this danger blows over.

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 11, 2020:

Bernie is great but he didn't have the cojones to fight these bullies. He was way too nice to them as they bent him over. I wish a decent man like Sanders could win in this corrupt system but it just isn't possible. We need someone with his policies and the no holds barred political strategy of ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn Good luck. You'll need it. I do hope you can pull it off.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The majority of your info seems to come from bloggers and opinion peices on social media. Its amazing to me, that you feel comfortable drawing the conclusions you do. Cognitive dissonance? *my info must be right, so the majority of people must be wrong* And no, im not volunteering to help you ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@MarkiusMahamius Well, I could define "us" as people who support Bernie. I know that he reached a million individual donors back somewhere around November so I'd assume it's much more now. And then there's the people who favor him but didn't donate so that's several million at least. If we are talking about all the people who don't support Biden's return to normal policy, which is what the post is about, we can add a big chunk of the Trump voters in as well. Then there's the people who don't support it and don't bother to vote at all and who knows how many of them there are. So I'd say we are talking at least tens of millions of Americans and maybe over a hundred million.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The majority of your info seems to come from bloggers and opinion peices on social media. Its amazing to me, that you feel comfortable drawing the conclusions you do. Cognitive dissonance? *my info must be right, so the majority of people must be wrong* And no, im not volunteering to help you ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@MarkiusMahamius I said that millions of Americans agree with us. You said that Americans don't agree with us. You made it a blanket statement as if all of them don't agree. Who is more unreasonable here?

Should Prostitution be Legal?

TattedIrishXx comments on Apr 11, 2020:

As a survivor of human trafficking, absolutely not. I’ve been beaten, robbed, held in cars, woken up to being smacked in the face for falling asleep, and I’ve had a anally raped with a broomstick!! If you want a crazier story than mine, look up my late Survivor Sister, Jennifer Kempton, she was ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

Wow, that's horrible! I'm sorry you and others had to endure such evil treatment. I hope the people responsible were caught and punished appropriately. The point I would like to make is that, the crimes which you have described, trafficking, robbery, beating, rape... would all still be illegal under a legalized system of prostitution. In fact, prostitutes who are being treated that way would have a better chance at getting out of that situation because their profession would be legal so they would be able to seek help from the authorities. Currently, prostitutes work outside the boundaries of the law so they are unable to go to the police for help if they are abused. The police persecute them as criminals rather than help those who are victims. Sex workers have more power and protection under a legal and regulated system. They would also be entitled to the benefits associated with legitimate work like social security, minimum wage, and worker safety protections. I get that your experience was extremely traumatic and I thank you for expressing and sharing it with us.

The Battle of the Oligarchs is under way.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 11, 2020:

We need to replace the democratic party with a new non-corrupt party.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@FearlessFly I'd call you practical. Most people are far too complacent and ill informed to put in the effort it would take to first realize that a new party is necessary and then work to bring it to fruition.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

Storm1752 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The "youth" don't vote, usually, so it doesn't matter. I can never get over this inference Biden has to "earn" their vote. Like Obama "earned" the black vote? Like Hillary "earned" the female vote? Are they expecting Biden to become someone else to kiss up to them? Voting is a right AND a ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Storm1752 A person who not only voted for the Iraq disaster but enthusiastically argued in favor of it alongside republicans, who teamed up with segregationists during civil rights, who has repeatedly advocated for cutting medicare, medicaid, and social security, who wrote the crime bill which caused mass incarceration, who wrote legislation which disqualified people from declaring bankruptcy due to student loan debt, who said just weeks ago that he would veto med4all, who is against cannabis legalization... yes I would label a person who did those things as a right winger. Did I say there is "no difference"? What I said was this- " the establishment democrats are doing it too. To a lesser extent but they too are mainly concerned with the profits of corporation rather than the well being of the people. " The difference is that the republicans are hardcore fascist while the establishment democrats are moderate right wingers. I think that you are correct that all, or at least most, democratic candidates are for the eventual implementation of the policies that Obama and Sanders are in favor of, on the surface. It seems to me that most aren't willing to actually fight to get those things and more often buckle to the interests of the powerful elites. I think their support for those things which will actually improve the lives of working class people is mostly political theater to gain support. There is a big difference between what they say they stand for and what they actually are willing to fight for. Yes Obama and democrats managed to get Romneycare through the democratically controlled congress. What a massive accomplishment. Don't get me wrong, it was a step in the right direction but with the majorities they had, they could have done much better, if they had been willing to fight for it. But they weren't, because that would have upset their donors. There are plenty of things wrong with me but blind loyalty to a party that doesn't care about me and does not represent me is not one of them.

The Battle of the Oligarchs is under way.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 11, 2020:

We need to replace the democratic party with a new non-corrupt party.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@FearlessFly I think 0% corruption in any party anywhere is an impossibility but at least with a fresh start, there would be an opportunity to create something less corrupt.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The majority of your info seems to come from bloggers and opinion peices on social media. Its amazing to me, that you feel comfortable drawing the conclusions you do. Cognitive dissonance? *my info must be right, so the majority of people must be wrong* And no, im not volunteering to help you ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

Americans do agree with him, millions of us.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

Storm1752 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The "youth" don't vote, usually, so it doesn't matter. I can never get over this inference Biden has to "earn" their vote. Like Obama "earned" the black vote? Like Hillary "earned" the female vote? Are they expecting Biden to become someone else to kiss up to them? Voting is a right AND a ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Storm1752 Right, It's 2020 and in that 20 years, only Obama has managed to win. Sure it was partially because of the black vote, but democrats always get the black vote. He motivated the fickle youth to come out for him with a progressive message and that's what put him over the top. The reason he won is because he promised hope and change, not status quo business as usual like the moderates. It's no coincidence that Obama was the only democratic nominee to run as a progressive and he was also the only one to win in this century. Progressive policy wins because it's popular and it motivates people to vote. Of course the republicans are deceiving working class people into voting against their own interest. That's not a vast conspiracy, it's common knowledge. What you are not understanding is that the establishment democrats are doing it too. To a lesser extent but they too are mainly concerned with the profits of corporation rather than the well being of the people. If you don't open your eyes to this and resist it, they will continue to do it and we will continue to have no opposition to the fascist republicans. I'm note sure how you have come to the conclusion that the people energetically fighting for med4all, a living wage, affordable college, an end to the wars, reduction of wealth inequality, renewable energy... are " deeply cynical about human nature your idea of a solution is some kind of anarchist, nihilistic chaos from which will spring some kind of 'rebirth.' " We are attempting to improve our society and voting for right wing candidates is not an effective way to do that. I'm not going anywhere buddy. At your age, you will be "long gone" much sooner than I and it will be up to my generation to clean up the mess that your generation is leaving us with. Fortunately, we are better informed and more motivated to improve this world than you are.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

1of5 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

I think you understand American politics a lot less than you think you do. That's just me, though.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@1of5 I'll vote for others. I will not vote for a right wing sex offender though, which is what both of the major parties are currently offering. The hope is that, by voting for whichever candidate actually represents me and my values, the party will see that blind loyalty can not be expected and hopefully someday, they will do some reflecting rather than just scapegoating and shaming and perhaps they will realize that they can't treat their base this way and expect to win. What's your plan smart guy? How do expect to persuade people who aren't devoted MSNBC viewers to support Biden?

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

1of5 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

I think you understand American politics a lot less than you think you do. That's just me, though.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@1of5 Yes, give up when you are wrong. That's mature thing to do.

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

There were no bullies. Instead, there were enlightened candidates and millions of voters. Listening to Sanders, I felt bullied! Belligerent demands that we magically change reality ... and chastising those not handing him their vote. Earned him a heart attack in the process. It’s well ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn See what I mean about how attempting to have meaning discussions with you is a fools errand?

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

There were no bullies. Instead, there were enlightened candidates and millions of voters. Listening to Sanders, I felt bullied! Belligerent demands that we magically change reality ... and chastising those not handing him their vote. Earned him a heart attack in the process. It’s well ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn Wow, with intelligent responses like these, you give Chomsky a run for his money. I think it's hilarious that the subject of this post is that people like you did quite a lot of bullying and here you are engaging in immature name calling. Thanks for proving the point.

Why his re-electrician would be a disaster. [youtube.com]

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

Too bad his twist was the ‘lack of anything done by Obama,’ or ‘how much good’ the Sanders campaign did. That guy’s so eager to chase conspiracy theories he’s lost track of reality.. Sanders gave us what we’ve got, then kept our most talented moderates from entering this race. ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn ...

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

There were no bullies. Instead, there were enlightened candidates and millions of voters. Listening to Sanders, I felt bullied! Belligerent demands that we magically change reality ... and chastising those not handing him their vote. Earned him a heart attack in the process. It’s well ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn Shit stinks, yes. Got any other brilliant insights?

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 11, 2020:

Bernie is great but he didn't have the cojones to fight these bullies. He was way too nice to them as they bent him over. I wish a decent man like Sanders could win in this corrupt system but it just isn't possible. We need someone with his policies and the no holds barred political strategy of ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@WilliamCharles Bernie beat Joe on every issue except electability because the corporate news has been hammering it into people's heads that Biden is electable and a "socialist" is not. Bernie needed to make the case that Biden doesn't have much of a chance against Trump but instead he reluctantly told the nation that Joe can win. That was the moment he lost. He dutiful started campaigning for Joe before the primary was even over. He accepted his fate rather than fighting.

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

There were no bullies. Instead, there were enlightened candidates and millions of voters. Listening to Sanders, I felt bullied! Belligerent demands that we magically change reality ... and chastising those not handing him their vote. Earned him a heart attack in the process. It’s well ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn As I said before, meaningful discourse with you isn't possible so I'm not going to attempt it.

Why his re-electrician would be a disaster. [youtube.com]

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

Too bad his twist was the ‘lack of anything done by Obama,’ or ‘how much good’ the Sanders campaign did. That guy’s so eager to chase conspiracy theories he’s lost track of reality.. Sanders gave us what we’ve got, then kept our most talented moderates from entering this race. ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

Sure thing Varn. You know better than one of the worlds leading intellectuals. Your wisdom must be legendary.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

Storm1752 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The "youth" don't vote, usually, so it doesn't matter. I can never get over this inference Biden has to "earn" their vote. Like Obama "earned" the black vote? Like Hillary "earned" the female vote? Are they expecting Biden to become someone else to kiss up to them? Voting is a right AND a ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

The youth will vote if a candidate makes it worth their while. Obama has been the only democrat to win this century. how did he do that, he motivated the youth to vote for him in large numbers. Why did they do that, because Obama ran a hope and change progressive campaign. If democrats want to win, they ought to have a look at recent history and try to learn from it rather than getting upset with people who choose not to participate because there aren't incentives to do so.

We have a country to save.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

The country does indeed need saving. So why did they select the candidate least capable of saving it?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn You misunderstood what I said. The meme says that the country needs saving. it does, so I said so. Then I asked why the party chose the candidate least able to do so. Why would you think I'm referring to Trump when clearly the meme is about the person selected to go against Trump?

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

1of5 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

I think you understand American politics a lot less than you think you do. That's just me, though.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

Well lets think this through. Every moderate the democrats have run this century lost. Gore- lost, Kerry- lost, Clinton- lost. Obama was a moderate but won by running on a progressive hope and change message which motivated the youth to support him in droves. The youth put Obama over the top. if this pattern continues, and it will, I'll be adding Biden to the list of moderates who alienated the youth and then lost.

There's a trope in many, many movies, where the bullies cause the nice person to run off in tears as...

Varn comments on Apr 11, 2020:

There were no bullies. Instead, there were enlightened candidates and millions of voters. Listening to Sanders, I felt bullied! Belligerent demands that we magically change reality ... and chastising those not handing him their vote. Earned him a heart attack in the process. It’s well ...

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

The saddest part is that, thanks to the party choosing Biden, regardless of which of them wins in November, evil wins.

We have a country to save.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

The country does indeed need saving. So why did they select the candidate least capable of saving it?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@Varn That's true. By selecting Biden as nominee, the party has chosen to allow Trump to win again.

We have a country to save.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

The country does indeed need saving. So why did they select the candidate least capable of saving it?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@MissKathleen I don't think Biden is a threat to their power. He is status quo Joe. The only thing he is a threat to is medicare and social security. And young women if left alone with him.

We have a country to save.

LenHazell53 comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Why is it, that in a country of 327.2 million people, the vast majority of who are eligible to stand for office the choice seems to ***always*** comes down to two lying, rich, dubious, spurious and seemingly corrupt, moronic arseholes? Are these really the best you have to offer your people?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 10, 2020:

If we had a functioning democracy, the two corrupt morons currently on offer wouldn't have made the top million in selection. They are the result of oligarchy.

It’s about the long term...

FearlessFly comments on Apr 10, 2020:

IMHO, your Bernie-love and Biden-hate is getting (way too) old.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 10, 2020:

There's a lot to love about Sanders and there's a lot to hate about Biden. If the expression of positivity toward the lovable one and criticism for the other is already old to you, it will become ancient before long because there will be quite a bit of it as this election progresses.

I had a discussion recently via email about similarities between 1929/30 and 2019/20.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

One big difference between then and now is that there has been a dangerous factor added to the mix. Nukes!

RoboGraham replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Redheadedgammy I think those are equally dangerous.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Paul4747 Well done Paul. That was the first well thought out and convincing argument in favor of Biden I've heard from anyone. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be enough. Biden is a tough turd to polish. His negatives outweigh his positives. Still I wish you the best of luck in getting him into the white house. We will sure as hell be better off with him rather than Trump.

I 100% support Mr.

yvilletom comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Hey, Bernie folk, without Democratic Socialists in Congress to pass bills he would sign into law, a President Sanders won’t be able to do what he has been saying he will do. Hero worship will fail, so let’s send allies to Congress, state legislatures and even city coucils.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@yvilletom I already did. I'm fallible, everyone is fallible. Can you get past this fallibility issue and move on to something substantive? I'll add your name to the growing list of anti-Sanders people who are incapable or unwilling to attempt provide a persuasive answer to the simple question of- How can Biden beat Trump?

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@Paul4747 I agree with you that the country would be in better shape had Hillary won (that's why I voted for her) and that we will be better off with a Biden victory. The issue here is that the party selected a terrible candidate who has no chance at winning. Why support a lost cause when that cause isn't even something you believe in? Saying that we will be better off with Biden than Trump is not a strong argument and it will not succeed. I notice you also didn't bother to answer the very simple question I asked. "Other than the fact that Trump is horrible and we need to replace him, why vote for Biden? " I'll add your name to the growing list of moderates who are incapable or unwilling to attempt to provide a persuasive argument in favor of Biden.

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yvilletom comments on Apr 9, 2020:

I’m looking too.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 9, 2020:

Have you been looking into your rationale of how Biden can win this election?

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@TomMcGiverin I find it laughable that these people think Biden can win. Trump has a fanatical following. Biden supporters don't even support him really. They are just prepared to vote for him out of a sense of duty and they are very adamant that we all should, but so many of us won't. I've been going at it with people about Biden for a year now and still no one has even attempted to form a persuasive argument in favor of Biden as a candidate. There's nothing there other than the fact that he is better than Trump. TBH, that's not even totally true, in some ways he is worse than Trump. When Biden's supporters run from the simple question of- what makes Joe a good choice?, you know that his campaign is dead on arrival. Yeah, you got that right, establishment democratic supreme court picks wouldn't be much better and that's pretty much the only substantive argument they have for Joe. I'm sure he would choose someone very agreeable to the Senate republicans the same as trump would do. Slightly better but still awful. And it looks like we shall again be the scapegoats for the inevitable loss coming for the establishment's terrible candidate. They have already started playing the blame game. That's another sign that this campaign is a lost cause.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Paul4747 Your mentality is that people on the left owe their votes to the democratic nominee. We don't. A vote for someone other than Clinton was not a vote for Trump. It was a vote for the person who was voted for. If Clinton was unable to get those people behind her, that's on her. This is why ranked choice is essential. We aren't morally pure.We are willing to be flexible. I would have voted for Warren, or Yang, or Gabbard, Maybe even Pete. But the party chose the worst option. My moral purity cannot be flexed far enough to vote for a creepy right wing sex offender who is opposed to my ideology and does not represent me just because the other guy is even worse. With Trump in the white house, we do no steering. With Biden in the white house, we also do no steering because Biden has made it abundantly clear that he is much more of a republican than a progressive. I do think that he would be better than Trump but not by enough to justify giving my vote to someone so undeserving. He has no chance of winning so why bother? I'd rather give my vote to someone who earns it and make it clear to the DNC that I do not have blind loyalty to their corrupt party. The result will be the same, 4 more years of Trump. I voted blue no matter who last time. It didn't work. I won't do it again. Maybe next time they will finally realize that they can't win without enthusiastic support from the base. I've been asking a question of many people who plan to vote for Biden lately. The question is this- Other than the fact that Trump is horrible and we need to replace him, why vote for Biden? I have yet to get an answer to this. The closest I got was that he will choose better SC picks. Not that he will have good picks, just that they will be better than Trump's. Other than that, they all dance around the question or ignore it completely. So, if you don't mind me asking, what's your answer to that question?

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FearlessFly comments on Apr 7, 2020:

Trying to open a can-o-worms ?

RoboGraham replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@FearlessFly Good strategy

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

RoboGraham replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Varn Nice try Varn