To all agnostic users, My time here on agnostic has come to an end.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 13, 2018:

Whilst I may not have always agreed with your political views, you were one of the relatively few members on here that I've come across that explained your stance(s) in deeper detail and shared with this community information/knowledge that was very useful for everyone across the board, and you ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 13, 2018:

I'm not fond of social media myself, never was. I do know of another site you may be interested in or that could be useful to you in the future, and if you are interested I could message you the name of that site.

Hey! Look what I found down in Lebanon today at Southern Ohio Gun (SOG)! A crate of 6 still in ...

TheInterlooper comments on Jul 12, 2018:

I don't like Mike's odds.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 13, 2018:

@TheInterlooper That's a good way of putting it.

Hey! Look what I found down in Lebanon today at Southern Ohio Gun (SOG)! A crate of 6 still in ...

MikeFlora comments on Jul 12, 2018:

I'll let spike go first if he survives then I'll give it a try

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 13, 2018:

You're far too kind Mike...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@MikeFlora How many rounds a gun holds is another trivial issue. Any experienced shooter who say uses a six round revolver and has a few speed loaders on hand could do serious damage, just saying. Putting limits on the number of rounds a gun can hold is a sad joke, certainly ways around that and any said laws would not be too effective. After awhile guns with ten rounds would be considered dangerous and face bans, then six shooters would eventually face the same etc. that's why those of us gun rights supporters are against the idea in the first place, it wouldn't work. I need to get back to sleep now...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@MikeFlora I understand your concern, but said concern does not trump due process, you must prove beyond a doubt someone is incapable. That's how it works in this country when it comes to our Constitutional rights. Now, how to prevent tragedies is another story and a point I think we may be able to agree upon. While it may not be simple to determine who is and isn't responsible directly, the law could prosecute those who have been found to be negligent in their actions. However, I still don't think all "potential" accidents can be avoided. Accidents can occur with multiple different objects and tools, I can't help but think you are needlessly stressing yourself out over what could be, what could happen. Perhaps in the future a topic for discussion could be safety measures one could take like gun safes, locks etc?

This gypsy of new Spain guy was complaining about how racist America is, then called me a cracker.

TheInterlooper comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I've come to the conclusion that liberals are projecting when they accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, etc.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@TheInterlooper Not to mention her deplorables comment. I can't stand that woman...

This gypsy of new Spain guy was complaining about how racist America is, then called me a cracker.

TheInterlooper comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I've come to the conclusion that liberals are projecting when they accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, etc.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@Beach_slim We need to do what we can to keep liberal progressive politicians out of office, and this November is critical. Healthcare is a lingering concern, but I think Trump is going to do some more damage to obabblecare yet.

What's are you're thoughts on modern libertarianism vs democratic socialism

Captain_Feelgood comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I once was a Libertarian, or at least l thought l was, then l found out they're for open borders to any and all, and l realized they're just as fucked up as the Socialists and progressive Liberals.. Now l'm an unaffiliated free market Capitalist that leans EVER SO SLIGHTLY Libertarian.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@BBliberty I agree. It's not just a matter of where and how it's applied, but who exactly are the individual(s) behind such?

This gypsy of new Spain guy was complaining about how racist America is, then called me a cracker.

TheInterlooper comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I've come to the conclusion that liberals are projecting when they accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, etc.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@MikeFlora Eh, who cares, let them laugh. That's just me of course, but then again I never went through life worrying about what others thought about me. For what it's worth, at the very least some of those countries who point the finger at us and laugh have plenty of their own troubles to worry about.

This gypsy of new Spain guy was complaining about how racist America is, then called me a cracker.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I had that idiot blocked for some time now, he's a member of the gun control group. Another typical example of how intolerant those on the left are.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@MikeFlora Indeed...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 12, 2018:

@MikeFlora It got them to surrender (quicker anyway), and given the fact they attacked us first, yes. Just my opinion.

What's are you're thoughts on modern libertarianism vs democratic socialism

Captain_Feelgood comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I once was a Libertarian, or at least l thought l was, then l found out they're for open borders to any and all, and l realized they're just as fucked up as the Socialists and progressive Liberals.. Now l'm an unaffiliated free market Capitalist that leans EVER SO SLIGHTLY Libertarian.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

Pretty much the same here. I'm borderlined libertarian, but are registered as Independent. With that said sir....would you at all be surprised if I told you my overall political views are...dare I say it...conservative? ;)

@Captain_Feelgood Thanks for sharing that video on the public threads, I did not know about the ...

bigpawbullets comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Interesting article. I wonder what percentage of the democratic party these folks are.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

@Captain_Feelgood I didn't receive any messages from you in awhile...

@Captain_Feelgood Thanks for sharing that video on the public threads, I did not know about the ...

bigpawbullets comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Interesting article. I wonder what percentage of the democratic party these folks are.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

@Captain_Feelgood So in other words, said wave is getting bigger and bigger... Indeed, hope springs eternal.

I remember some folks talking about this while Obabble was still President, but I sure didn't hear ...

DUCHESSA comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Ja...I am being belted in the general section for posting the meme. juassssssss

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

I saw. The one guy in particular didn't like what you had shared, but you corrected his crude assumption. That guy is a typical radical lefty, if you say something he doesn't agree with you're just a troll in his narrow-minded opinion.

Testing out the new website colors! After a lot of work, we are rolling out the ability to change ...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Dark Night.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

@cmadler Yeah, only Android for me, I like a platform that allows for after market customization.

Testing out the new website colors! After a lot of work, we are rolling out the ability to change ...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Dark Night.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

You will eventually implement the colors option in the mobile app, correct?

Let us count heads....

jeshuey comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Department of Health and Human Services' (HHS) Administration for Children and Families spokesperson Kenneth Wolfe told Newsweek on Wednesday that it had as many as 10,852 undocumented children in its custody—a significant jump from the 8,886 that were in the agency's custody on April 29, ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

No excuses were made, the point of the meme above was to show how little outrage there was during the Obama years as compared to now. Read that meme very carefully, only a comparison was illustrated, no excuses. Are such actions justifiable, would be another topic of discussion...

This gypsy of new Spain guy was complaining about how racist America is, then called me a cracker.

TheInterlooper comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I've come to the conclusion that liberals are projecting when they accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, etc.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

Solid conclusion there, I agree.

I remember some folks talking about this while Obabble was still President, but I sure didn't hear ...

DUCHESSA comments on Jul 11, 2018:

Can I steal the meme and post it in the general section?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

Sure.

The liberal progressives are such a tolerant and forgiving bunch.

LEPeff comments on Jul 11, 2018:

I think that is a great idea!

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 11, 2018:

Thank you for the feedback, LEPeff. The history of the Federalist Party is fascinating, and that group I have in mind could accomodate both those who may be interested in advocacy efforts or for those who would only be interested in the historical part, a dual purpose group. The two-party system isn't cutting it, and as much as I like them I have a feeling the Libertarian Party won't be able to gain enough traction to be able to make a difference. The views of the new Federalist Party lean heavily to the right, and the Constitution is their guide, sure sounds promising to me.

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora I get ya on that, nuclear warheads are an even bigger concern though...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora There is this thing called due process, you cannot conveniently bypass that based on suspicion or unique circumstances, you must prove I am unfit to own certain firearms as you are the one making the claim. A history teacher would be better, and there are ample quotes/other sources from various Founding Fathers that suggested all citizens have the right to own the same weapons their government has, just because times change does not mean that changes. You still didn't answer my question, why do Democrats by large go after private citizens and tell them certain guns they cannot own and yet have nothing to say about the arsenal our government possesses, including weapons that don't just kill from a mile away like guns do but rather warheads that could travel half way around the world. Does that not concern you? I'm telling ya Mike, you really should worry more about the arsenal our government has as opposed to what us private citizens own. To answer your question (although you somewhat answered it on your own), there might not be a way to prove such responsibility, but in the meantime due process cannot by circumvented based on what could be, there are alot of scenarios that could be. If we regulate one thing, then before you know it other things start getting regulated, and that's not what this country needs. Do you have any idea how dangerous a lighter is in the hands of a child? Yet, I don't hear democrats talking about that. If it's about saving lives, then be fair and name/regulate all the potential things that could harm innocents, but regulating everything is absurd. As a teenager I became repulsed at the Democrat's ways always wanting to regulate things they don't like or trust, we don't live in a nanny state.

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

DarrelScott comments on Jul 10, 2018:

That's the best news I've heard lately

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@DUCHESSA That's a good point...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora I wouldn't say that, alot of families back then were rather large in size and children were conceivably present often, and there is no telling how many accidents there were back then because no records were kept for the most part. The part that gets me is folks who cry over gun related deaths but often never have anything to say over deaths that resulted by other weapons. If saving lives from guns is the goal, why not have the same concern about deaths from other sources that could be preventable. If your only argument is that guns are uniquely dangerous, you need another argument, and that tells me an agenda is in play there and concern over human fatalities would at best be a secondary consideration. Of course, I'm not for excess regulations because they by and large would not make enough difference as some folks out there have no regards for the laws and find ways to get around said laws. I've been trying to explain just that to the gun control crowd now for years, but for some reason that point never seems to be understood by them.

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora Who makes english teachers experts on that topic? Just because it included the militia part does not change the goal for it, and on the contrary nothing about limitations is explicitly mentioned. In the very beginning there was no organized military/militia branches, only citizen soldiers who eventually organized into a fighting force. This is supposed to be a free country, and no where in the Constitution does it specifically say about limitations on what people can or cannot own, please to point out to me otherwise. As a free man I resent anyone telling me what I can and cannot own (and that means anything) as long as I'm not bothering anyone, because they may have fears that are unfounded. Also, our government was never meant to be a regulating force that is has become nowadays, we have far too many regulations as it is while big brother gets away with just about everything. How is that balanced? Why can someone in government have more rights than I, especially knowing what screwballs some of them are? That's the problem I have, too many folks think the answer to our problems is to regulate it out of existence, and doing so does not automatically solve said issues.

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

DarrelScott comments on Jul 10, 2018:

That's the best news I've heard lately

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@DUCHESSA The religious men for sure would love to abolish abortion. It figures the church would be getting in the way of passing the bill, one of the many reasons why religion should never be allowed to interfere in politics. I too hope Trajan is right about that much.

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

DarrelScott comments on Jul 10, 2018:

That's the best news I've heard lately

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@DUCHESSA It would be a mess, one could only hope they are smart enough not to mess around with such foolish notions, but that may be asking for too much...

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

DarrelScott comments on Jul 10, 2018:

That's the best news I've heard lately

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@DUCHESSA I meant personal choices for everyone, not just abortion, the government has no right to interfere with personal decisions. I strayed a little off topic there, when it comes to abortion only that is strictly a woman's choice in the end.

I really want to move to canada.

bigpawbullets comments on Jul 10, 2018:

We're here to assist!

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

We'll need more than one truck though...

Something for our friends over on Mike's page to contemplate:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

70 plus million gun nuts wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind. It is because of twisting their words that made this happen. When they put their words to paper there were only 13 states, and they were using flintlock muskets.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

The only people who have distorted what the 2A states are those in favor of amending it. Flintlocks were not the only technology at that time-http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/07/logan-metesh/founding-fathers-knew-repeating-rifles-bill-rights-drafted/amp/ This is why people need to do independent research. Semi-auto firearm technology was a concept the Founders were well aware of that could be improved upon down the road in the future. The 2A does not in any way state the type of guns citizens can and cannot own, but it does say the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, and arms is another word for guns and actually weapons in general. @Captain_Feelgood @bigpawbullets

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Virtually no vetting process is a total lie, besides the fact that trying to kill someone with a illegal alien is really hard to do. They make up 3% of the population, and are doing the same thing most of our ancestors did when they came here. How about worrying about the other 97% for a change?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora Mike, I'm not too keen on censoring people here unless something criminal is suggested, but all the same that means anyone else in this group is entitled to their opinions and I will not stop them, and some will not be eager to coddle others. Just keep that in mind, when you interact in this group you will be around everyone in the group who is active. I have no problem for the most part with you commenting on my posts, and I have no problem with Buck commenting either and are glad he is active on here, and this was one of my posts. Just saying...

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Virtually no vetting process is a total lie, besides the fact that trying to kill someone with a illegal alien is really hard to do. They make up 3% of the population, and are doing the same thing most of our ancestors did when they came here. How about worrying about the other 97% for a change?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora I don't think any President in recent times for that matter had instilled confidence in other countries, and for what it's worth alot of the leaders in other countries are two-faced as well, such is politics...

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

DarrelScott comments on Jul 10, 2018:

That's the best news I've heard lately

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@DUCHESSA https://amp.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-roe-vs-wade-abortion-case-undocumented-teen-2018-7 While I do agree with and like what the Federalist Society believes in and does, I do find myself at odds with them over reproductive rights. As one who believes in individual liberty, I think reproductive choices should be strictly made by couples themselves and government should keep their noses out of "bedroom business". An attack on reproductive choices, is an attack on individual liberty as I see it.

Trumps new Supreme Court nominee should be a good one, especially for the 2nd amendment.

MikeFlora comments on Jul 10, 2018:

What about Roe v Wade?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

https://amp.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-roe-vs-wade-abortion-case-undocumented-teen-2018-7

The right wing often forgets...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Not all of us on the right go by that horrid book... Some of us conservatives believe in logic and reasoning.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@snytiger6 I'm doing just that, it may take time but will be worth it in the end.

The thought process of some of our non-conservative acquaintances:

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 10, 2018:

I think someone else had posted this...seems to be true though.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@bigpawbullets All good.

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buck1977 comments on Jul 9, 2018:

You mistakenly assume their agenda would involve protecting freedom, opportunity and safety...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

I'm inclined to agree with this...

So, a new Supreme Court justice is in the making.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 10, 2018:

Indeed, and I am one of those who is on the political right, however I do fully support reproductive rights for all.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MissaDixon ...Totally.

Face palm anyone?

MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

More guns will just get people killed on both sides of the room.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora Right again, too many people these days do not want to communicate with each other because in doing so may not always be easy to accomplish at times. The last part of your comment is what we as a whole, as a society, need to work on. I just left a rather long reply on the other post and I'm tired now, tomorrow is another day, later.

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Virtually no vetting process is a total lie, besides the fact that trying to kill someone with a illegal alien is really hard to do. They make up 3% of the population, and are doing the same thing most of our ancestors did when they came here. How about worrying about the other 97% for a change?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora That's the thing though, not all of them who have been living here for years have been filing taxes, but again that's another part of the story as a whole. You also have to keep in mind the times we live in, in particular terrorism, which our ancestors did not have to worry about for the most part. We can't just let anyone in, some could mean us serious harm, but most Democrats do not take that into consideration. We don't have alot of difficulty with Europeans, but we do with those from the middle east/Mexican and south american drug cartels/and certain diseases that come from Africa, please keep that in mind as to why we scrutinize some countries more than others because some pose a larger immediate threat. Building a wall on the border does not mean we won't accept others into the country, it only means we will defend said borders from those with ill intentions. Besides, that with the Statue of Liberty always sounded like a bunch or religious sounding nonsense to me. I forgot to mention something on my other post, so I'll bring it up here real quick. Another problem we face these days is not only a lack of communication, but emotions running high which can cloud better judgment. One of the many reasons I abandoned religion is that emotions tend to take over all too often and common sense along with deep thinking go out the window. I understand this may be difficult to do sometimes Mike, but you've got to fight your emotions and put deeper thinking to the front of the line so to speak. Too many people these days get dictated by their first emotions, which more often than not has led to some bad decision making. I know what I'm talking about there, as a kid who didn't know better I used to let emotions do the thinking for me, but I snapped out of it eventually and to this day my life is better because of it. You and anyone else could do the same if I can, fight it Mike, let independent thinking lead your way in life. I'm tired now, later.

Face palm anyone?

MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

More guns will just get people killed on both sides of the room.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora Bingo Mike, the problems we face in this country go way beyond gun control. If we want to get to the root of the problem, we need to all come to a general understanding, and in particular we need to work on ways to reach out to those who may suffer from mental illness and or depression etc. No amount of gun control measures the Democrats currently propose would directly deal with such situations, which is why I do not buy into gun control measures. Understanding human nature is key, and keeping communication open to everyone. Now we might be getting somewhere...

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Virtually no vetting process is a total lie, besides the fact that trying to kill someone with a illegal alien is really hard to do. They make up 3% of the population, and are doing the same thing most of our ancestors did when they came here. How about worrying about the other 97% for a change?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora That's the thing, too many of them do and have committed crimes, and the financial toll on this country from undocumented workers is a whole other story for another time. It does matter to have the proper credentials to enter our country, why is that such a hardship for some? When my ancestors came to the US from Italy Germany and a few other places, they made sure they did everything they had to according to the law, including the right paperwork, and most of them did not even speak good english.

Face palm anyone?

MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

More guns will just get people killed on both sides of the room.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 10, 2018:

@MikeFlora That would be ideal to keep lunatics away from innocent people, but not always practical in all circumstances. I know there's a difference between a live and inanimate target, and personally I wouldn't find it too difficult to shoot back at someone who wants to see me dead. There are alot of potential situations that could involve people getting seriously injured or killed, and we as a whole cannot dwell on that. Take the Maryland Gazette shooting a few weeks back, no one was prepared for a shooting and no one in the building was armed not even one, and five people were killed because of that. If just one person was armed there the story may have turned out different and the shooter six feet under. I have no need to live my life in fear as I'm prepared for worst case scenarios, and life is pretty good.

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

Virtually no vetting process is a total lie, besides the fact that trying to kill someone with a illegal alien is really hard to do. They make up 3% of the population, and are doing the same thing most of our ancestors did when they came here. How about worrying about the other 97% for a change?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

If you feel one life lost to a gun is one life too many, than just one life lost at the hands of an illegal immigrant is too much, what's fair is fair, and that meme didn't even delve into how illegals are a hardship to our country financially speaking. The mainstream medias cover the fact that the issue over immigration is because there is a huge problem with undocumented folks coming across our borders, and alot of Democrats have openly stated they do not want borders for our country which not only violates the laws but is also an insane idea. A good friend of mine came here to our country from Mexico, but he did it legally, and thus faced no difficulty from the Feds. If all immigrants sought to come here legally, then there would be no problem. Right back to square one...

Face palm anyone?

Omen6Actual comments on Jul 9, 2018:

I'll remember that the next time I'm in a firefight.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

I sincerely hope if Mr Ulibarri ever finds himself in such an unfortunate scenario that he takes his own advice.

Face palm anyone?

MikeFlora comments on Jul 9, 2018:

More guns will just get people killed on both sides of the room.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

So, in other words you actually agree with the guy above? Also, how do you automatically know for sure that people being armed (as suggested in scenario in meme) would equate to more people getting killed. Curiosity abounds Mike, if faced with such a situation like that, would you just stand around waiting for help to arrive and hope not to get killed in the process? Serious question there, self defense is instictual, organic life is wired to preserve their/its life. The victim mentality from the left baffles me to no end, and I'm honestly not trying to be mean or condescending, just baffled is all.

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buck1977 comments on Jul 9, 2018:

You mistakenly assume their agenda would involve protecting freedom, opportunity and safety...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

Neither of which they are for of course... criminals helping criminals.

Do you guys believe that Trump supporters should be treated with civility?

snytiger6 comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Only if they also treat others with the same civility they want for themselves... Of cours epeopel who act civil are seldom Trump supporters.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

@snytiger6 There is a group called Repubatheists that is trying to pushback against the religious influence currently in the GOP. I hope someday they are successful, religion does not belong in our politics, never.

Have a great week my friends

McVinegar comments on Jul 9, 2018:

What's Monday? ;)

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

It's that despicable day that reminds us every weekend eventually comes to an end.

If you do facebook, this is a fun page. [facebook.com]

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 8, 2018:

Eh, no FB for me...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

@Captain_Feelgood I might have to go that route.

If you do facebook, this is a fun page. [facebook.com]

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 8, 2018:

Eh, no FB for me...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

@Captain_Feelgood I did a post in the Senate, hopefully he will clear it up and calm that dude down before he has a freaking aneurysm. I came to this site to interact with rational skeptics, not conspiracy central.

If you do facebook, this is a fun page. [facebook.com]

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 8, 2018:

Eh, no FB for me...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 9, 2018:

@Captain_Feelgood In due time I'm sure. One of the lefties on here is publicly accusing me of conspiring to send funds to Admin, which is bs. I'm into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general, and Admin on here wants to delve into it too so I offered to send him a little to help get him started with trading and all. The creep accusing me misunderstood my comment and is making a big deal over nothing. The lefties on here crack me up, I'm waiting for this site to turn into conspiracy central now, some folks take things to the extreme.

I am a little bit country.[youtu.be]

Shelton comments on Jul 8, 2018:

https://youtu.be/etr7UtnUflM

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

Hootie and the Blowfish...

I thought about going the private message route for this, but figured it was easier just posting ...

mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

@mosuper "Libertarian Agnostics Group"

I thought about going the private message route for this, but figured it was easier just posting ...

mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

@mosuper That they are. I think Libertarians are not against going to war just so long as it is for justifiable reasons. While I do lean heavily to the right politically speaking, I'm registered Independent. Those were some of the main differences between the two parties, and obviously there is far less corruption in the LP than the GOP. If you wanted to learn more about the LP, check out this site- https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ You could also ask this fellow community member here about the LP @SkotlandSkye , she is a registered Libertarian and knows more about the LP than I do, or lastly you could head over to the Libertarian Agnostics group on here. Hope that helps some. Quite a few of us in this group are either Independent or Libertarian.

I'd say it's worth it.

MrLink comments on Jul 8, 2018:

ok, sure. But honestly, I really have never heard many people call for the confiscation of all guns. In fact - while I am sure somebody somewhere has - I don't think i have heard anybody seriously suggest this. Is there some breaking story on this that i missed?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

I cannot speak for any fellow gun rights advocates, but the direct issue where I'm concerned is not about some wanting an all out ban on private gun ownership, but rather certain gun control measures that have been proposed in which I am not convinced do anything to curb potentially violent thugs. As an atheist I go by evidence and firsthand observation, and the evidence I have seen indicates that most said gun control measures do not and have not worked for the most part.

I'd say it's worth it.

MrLink comments on Jul 8, 2018:

ok, sure. But honestly, I really have never heard many people call for the confiscation of all guns. In fact - while I am sure somebody somewhere has - I don't think i have heard anybody seriously suggest this. Is there some breaking story on this that i missed?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

Just spend some time in the gun control now group on this site, you'll cross paths with some of those who desire to abolish all private gun ownership. While the host of that group may not be as radical as some are in said group (he actually is a member of this group and the pro 2A group I host as well), I have observed some questionable albeit radical comments made within that group. You asked about a breaking story you missed? If you get an opportunity to do some research, look up the march for our lives movement, quite a few of their members are radical and have called for an end to private gun ownership. Hope that helped some.

No free speech allowed in New Zealand.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 8, 2018:

Islam is as toxic as christianity and judaism, and perhaps worse. Sorry to hear socialist scum has taken over your country.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

@Seriousreason I thank you for joining the group. In regards to criticizing Islam, same here in the US. The far left politically correct crowd goes through great lengths to defend muslims, and that makes me want to barf, that among many other things the looney left promotes that I disdain.

One of the things I don't like about this universal healthcare/Obamacare crap is that it's basically...

buck1977 comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Obscene profit from human suffering is immoral. - Health insurance companies need to be phased out of the loop because they add no value. - Trump administration needs to negotiate contracts with healthcare providers. - People need to pay a federal healthcare tax on income with your rate ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 8, 2018:

@Yakoi Geez, sad to hear such. You made the best choice it sounds like, as hard as it was I'm sure. I think quite a few of us in this group are pro choice friendly.

So yeah. I can't cook.... I'm going to starve to death.

onlyduh comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Two Words: Fucking Big Mac

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

Damn, now I'm hungry...

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mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

@mosuper There appears to be relatively few differences between Libertarians and Republicans. A few differences would be- Libertarians accept and defend the rights of the LGBTQ community along with reproductive rights, whereas most Republicans do not. The LP believes in keeping religion out of our politics, and the GOP is infested with religious fanatics. LP wants minimal to no regulations on recreational marijuana usage, and lesser regulations in general. Those are a few differences off the top of my head.

One of the things I don't like about this universal healthcare/Obamacare crap is that it's basically...

bigpawbullets comments on Jul 7, 2018:

I'm on Medicare+ and my wife is on Anthem.. Our medical insurance costs almost doubled with the Affordable Care Act. Plus, I had to find two new specialists who were "in plan". The cost went up, the medical options went down, and I've not met a doctor who thinks this is a better way.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

Some folks are just oblivious to what constitutes reality. The ACA was among one of the biggest screw jobs ever committed on Americans.

Good morning troops! I'm still mulling over, and jotting down notes for a post on firearms ...

Trajan61 comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Federal law Trumps state law but some states like California, New York and Illinois definitely have stricter laws pertaining to guns. I think California’s concealed carry permit law that leaves it up to the Sherrif on whether you can get a concealed carry permit should be unconstitutional as it ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

I agree, there should be nation wide conceal carry available to law abiding citizens. I'm organizing a gun rights advocacy group on another site, and that is one point we would like to focus on and spread that idea around.

Share this one with your liberal friends (assuming you have any lib friends that is), remind them ...

Trajan61 comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Trump gives those idiots the fits and I love it!!

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

All they could do is yell at the sky, like the looney tune in the meme.

Do you guys believe that Trump supporters should be treated with civility?

snytiger6 comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Only if they also treat others with the same civility they want for themselves... Of cours epeopel who act civil are seldom Trump supporters.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

I try to be fair with everyone regardless of their views...and I voted for Trump. Most of my fellow conservatives on this site believe in doing the same.

@Admin.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 7, 2018:

Not a bad idea Richard. Some fellow members had asked me to add some photos/pics to my profile once the addition was made to vote on profile uploads. The only thing is, since then no one has even bothered voting on anything I had uploaded, despite receiving many visitors to my profile, and it kind ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 7, 2018:

@FrayedBear Eh, who knows? I try not to let it bother me, and I'm certainly not concerned about points. Being able to interact with some interesting like-minded members is what keeps me coming back here. Later Richard, take care, and again good idea you had there.

I just posted this in trump pinata.

Captain_Feelgood comments on Jul 6, 2018:

Holy shit... I'm just getting back on here to see what a damn shit storm this whole thing has turned into..lmfao... Good ole Mike Flora had the whole thing taken down after spending who knows how long trying to explain to them it wasn't true... Dear Odin, how do those people dress themselves in the ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Haha, unreal...

Police arrested the jackass who heckled a sixteen year old Trump supporter, good! ...

Captain_Feelgood comments on Jul 6, 2018:

Gotta love it....

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Sure do.

Police arrested the jackass who heckled a sixteen year old Trump supporter, good! ...

Beach_slim comments on Jul 6, 2018:

Liberal garbage

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Quite so.

Police arrested the jackass who heckled a sixteen year old Trump supporter, good! ...

Leutrelle comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The extreme left have become what they hate; fascism.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Indeed they have, the irony of it all.

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Leutrelle comments on Jul 6, 2018:

I appreciate your diligence.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Thank you, and I appreciate your contributions to this group. Speaking of groups, I started another if you are interested- "Pro Gun Rights Group"

Another classic example of how intolerant those on the left/Trump bashers are, and in this case also...

Leutrelle comments on Jul 6, 2018:

I am a conservative, but I have some liberal views. I probably am a libertarian.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

That's all good my friend. I'm a conservative leaning registered Independent. Good to see you are still active on here.

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mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

@mosuper I estimate about roughly 85% on this site identify as liberal/progressive, while about maybe 10% identify as Libertarian/not affiliated, and the rest conservative.

Anyone else by chance notice the mainstream medias are not talking about/keeping in the news the ...

Omen6Actual comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The libtards are anti-Americans. It isn't about safety, it's about control.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

Control freaks the left are.

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mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

It's come to a point where I mostly stick to the groups now and don't even bother much with the public feeds. This group is good, rational people here.

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mosuper comments on Jul 6, 2018:

The tolerance of the athiests....... I think I have given up on athiests being tolerant. Sure, the hyper-religious are not tolerant, but generally speaking, I think the religious are much more tolerant than atheists. And, I am quite sure that the militant atheists are much worse than the militant ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

The liberal progressive atheists are surely intolerant.

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Beach_slim comments on Jul 6, 2018:

Interesting instead of attacking the group they go after individuals, change of strategy.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

@MikeFlora Eh, you're right, I'm no better than anyone else, and I have the tendency to call people out on the carpet. In fact, I've got the sudden urge to call someone out....Mike Flora. See, I just called you out, again. I'm such a terrible guy now, aren't I?

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

The problem I had with Capt. was he laughed at us, and commented on how stupid we are. The post itself wasn't all that bad, doing it so he could call us stupid, is not acceptable.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

@MikeFlora I don't recall picking on anyone for being naive, and I wouldn't exactly say the progressive crowd on here is a benign bunch. Following others blindly is no good either, we need more freethinkers, but I get your point though.

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

The problem I had with Capt. was he laughed at us, and commented on how stupid we are. The post itself wasn't all that bad, doing it so he could call us stupid, is not acceptable.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

@MikeFlora Regarding the group members, being that close to ninety percent of those on this site lean heavily to the left, it should come as no surprise that there will obviously be more drawn to the liberal progressive groups than any other. The mere fact the CA group has over 90 members is saying something considering conservative atheists appear to be somewhat rare, at least on this site anyway. Group membership on here doesn't concern me much as I've been focusing my advocacy efforts on another site where I have a couple thousand supporters not just a few hundred, and that's not counting the contacts I still have on other sites. Big plans for the future is all I can say at the moment...

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

The problem I had with Capt. was he laughed at us, and commented on how stupid we are. The post itself wasn't all that bad, doing it so he could call us stupid, is not acceptable.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

@MikeFlora It's not so much about them not knowing better (I'm under the impression only adults use this site), but rather a lack of deeper thinking that was in play there. See though, what we are doing right now is the civil and mature route to go, someone asks questions and the other side answers, and no accusations get hurled around. Now, if only we can get the rest of this site aboard with that concept, referring to those who enjoy calling names to those who may not agree with their world views. I don't relish the thought of laughing at anyone, but some folks make it too easy though...

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azzow2 comments on Jul 5, 2018:

I have said this before and I will say it again the bullies in this world are the most ignorant and for someone to be so hate filled with their delusions are equated to terrorist. They try and force their views down everyone else's thoughts and when they feel resistance to their ideas. They are not ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

I agree, and couldn't have said it better.

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

The problem I had with Capt. was he laughed at us, and commented on how stupid we are. The post itself wasn't all that bad, doing it so he could call us stupid, is not acceptable.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 6, 2018:

At times I just sit back in absolute amazement at some of the things/issues people on this site get upset and offended at. I've been on a few other social media sites (which shall remain unnamed) one of which I am still very active on, and that site truly does respect freedom of speech. I tell ya Mike, about ninety something percent of those on this site would not last nine seconds on the one I'm talking about, not without going into spasms over getting offended anyway. Those that complain about what amounts to a few trolls on here don't even realize just how tame Agnostic.com truly is.

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MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

The problem I had with Capt. was he laughed at us, and commented on how stupid we are. The post itself wasn't all that bad, doing it so he could call us stupid, is not acceptable.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

Well, I have no shred of sympathy for any of those who took that post seriously though. If someone does not think for themselves and gets tricked in the process and someone else makes fun of their ignorance, that is their own fault. It may not be right, but such things do occur in life. Perhaps some of those on the receiving end of his joke know what it feels like to get called names and be made fun of, and you know as well as I know quite a few folks from that group say some rather nasty and spiteful things about conservatives. Just saying...

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Being a Holocaust denier does not automatically equate to being anti semitic, and that definition strictly means unjust prejudice or hostility against Jewish individuals-https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism . The best way to deal with folks like that is to share facts, not ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@Davesnothere No, you're still wrong, simply disagreeing with or not believing something does not automatically equate to having any sort of agenda. Provide the facts when someone like that shows up, or simply ignore them.

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

IamNobody comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Are we getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here? I didn't read the whole thread, it's just too much. However, at least the way I see it, it did encorage the conversation and that should be good. It doesn't sound good to me asking to kick someone because his stance is not lined up with mine. ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

I too checked it out, an opinion is all I saw.

Another classic example of how intolerant those on the left/Trump bashers are, and in this case also...

Humanlove comments on Jul 5, 2018:

But some of these events happened during Obama, were they okay then?

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

Not in the least if they occured. I have nothing to go by however to form a basis for opinion, could you please cite an example that occured during the Obama Admin?

Another classic example of how intolerant those on the left/Trump bashers are, and in this case also...

DUCHESSA comments on Jul 5, 2018:

I can't f....g believe this.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@DUCHESSA Yup, same here.

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Being a Holocaust denier does not automatically equate to being anti semitic, and that definition strictly means unjust prejudice or hostility against Jewish individuals-https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism . The best way to deal with folks like that is to share facts, not ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@Davesnothere I also do not encourage stereotypes.

Guess a lot of them slept through American History class:

Trajan61 comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Unfortunately today a lot of the liberal idiots want to make us just like the British.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@Trajan61 Well said, I agree.

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Being a Holocaust denier does not automatically equate to being anti semitic, and that definition strictly means unjust prejudice or hostility against Jewish individuals-https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism . The best way to deal with folks like that is to share facts, not ...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@Davesnothere That may very well be, but that doesn't automatically mean that every Holocaust denier is a nazi, automatically assuming such would be erroneous.

Another classic example of how intolerant those on the left/Trump bashers are, and in this case also...

DUCHESSA comments on Jul 5, 2018:

I can't f....g believe this.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

Unreal, I know.

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

TheMiddleWay comments on Jul 5, 2018:

UGH! How many times must we have people single out other people merely because they disagree with their opinions? For one, there is nothing wrong with being a holocaust denier or a flat earther or a religious believer as long as you present your case and don't proselytize. I went to the thread in...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

Besides, the amount of Trump bashing and general intolerance towards conservative views on this site is ongoing, and hardly anyone speaks out against that obvious hatred...

@Admin I just encountered an Anti-Semite here.

TheMiddleWay comments on Jul 5, 2018:

UGH! How many times must we have people single out other people merely because they disagree with their opinions? For one, there is nothing wrong with being a holocaust denier or a flat earther or a religious believer as long as you present your case and don't proselytize. I went to the thread in...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

You're a level headed guy and I agree with you. Calling someone out in public who may have said something you don't agree with is wrong and immature and accomplishes absolutely zero.

Guess a lot of them slept through American History class:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

No, we are not. We are celebrating the day we decided that we had taken all the shit from England we were going to take, and we told them so. The war had already started.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@MikeFlora That's what I was referring to, the surrender of Gen Cornwallis, and I know it wasn't fully over until about two years later.

Another classic example of how intolerant those on the left/Trump bashers are, and in this case also...

bigpawbullets comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Wearing logo or message clothing is asking for it. Might as well paint a target on yourself. Same with bumper stickers. We live in the "Land of Unreasonable Rage" right now. Tread softly. Carry your sidearm.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

My thought exactly, for the most part I don't wear anything that could associate me with any group or political party, too many psychos out there itching for a confrontation. Oddly enough, another pseudonym I use while online is the Stealth Patriot, for the reason mentioned above. Still, that's not right what that guy did to that teenager, mister tough guy taking his frustration out on kids, and he did steal the kid's hat from him.

Guess a lot of them slept through American History class:

MikeFlora comments on Jul 5, 2018:

No, we are not. We are celebrating the day we decided that we had taken all the shit from England we were going to take, and we told them so. The war had already started.

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@MikeFlora By the end of 1781 the British had suffered a big defeat and for the last few years things drug out.

Captain feelgood's post about ice being the polls is not true, he's from the Conservative Atheist ...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Wouldn't it be ironic if ICE agents did go undercover at the polls though this November...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@MikeFlora I gotcha on that.

Captain feelgood's post about ice being the polls is not true, he's from the Conservative Atheist ...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Wouldn't it be ironic if ICE agents did go undercover at the polls though this November...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@MikeFlora I didn't realize this was your group, thought Hippiechick was the host of this group. Can't say I blame the Captain for doing what he did though, with all the jokes and insults some of the left leaning folks on this site do at times. Fair enough, but if your comments lead some of your fellow liberals to any groups I host, I reserve the right to kick them out if they troll. What's fair is fair. Yeah, two latinos I know off the top of my head approve of Trump so far.

Captain feelgood's post about ice being the polls is not true, he's from the Conservative Atheist ...

SpikeTalon comments on Jul 5, 2018:

Wouldn't it be ironic if ICE agents did go undercover at the polls though this November...

SpikeTalon replies on Jul 5, 2018:

@MikeFlora There are latinos out there who voted for him, I know a few personally. Indeed so. What did you do Mike, inform RavenCT of the post I did in the CA group, because I just saw she left the group now...how curious is that?