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The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
BitFlipper comments on Jun 27, 2022:
That coach is using his position to push his religious fantasies on his subordinates. He gets to decide who plays and who doesn't. He gets to decide who gets encouraged and who doesn't. It's the essence of American Christianity.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 28, 2022:
I bet if that school is in some area where open enrollment is available for players to transfer to other nearby schools, the better players and the less religious ones, are getting the hell out of there to play somewhere else, rather than put up with this horseshit...
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creative51 comments on Jun 27, 2022:
That is very unfortunate you have to deal with that. I usually go to bars (rarely) in the college town 17 miles from my small town. It is much more liberal and I have not had such experiences there. Not all college towns are liberal and I do not know if you have any liberal college towns in Iowa. I ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 28, 2022:
There is a lot of truth to that last sentence. As far as college towns and bars that are higher class, and less likely to have redneck bullies in them, I do have two karaoke shows each week, each at a different bar, that attract a higher class crowd for the most part, and they are more liberal. I can still safely go to those two weekly shows. But as for the other two bars where I was bullied last weekend, it would be a risk, esp. if I go by myself and don't hang with anyone. The bullies always like to pick on the loner men, esp. libs like me. They are less likely to if you have a companion with you to witness it and tell the guy to fuck off as well, since these guys never hit or pick on women, since, as I noted elsewhere on here, they know the bars do want to protect women from male assholes and keep a safe rep.. So the bullies know that messing with a woman victim will get them barred from there. Guys are mostly on their own as far as anyone getting barred for bullying them, it seems. It wasn't always that way around my metro area, but these days, karaoke shows are mostly a blue collar working class crowd that is into country music and politically conservative. So I am an outlier and not the typical karaoke customer. There used to be more educated middle class people like me at karaoke shows a couple decades ago, but those people have mostly aged out of the scene or retreated to buying a home karaoke machine or system and just having private karaoke parties, so they don't have to deal with or mix with lower class people. Sort of the karaoke version of gated communities... Most of my friends are very highly educated and middle class and married. They almost never go to bars, probably mostly because they feel bars are for lower class and single people, so they stay away from them and don't want to be exposed to any of that, tho they probably aren't even conscious of that bias..
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BitFlipper comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Bullies just like to intimidate people, and they want to be seen by the group as intimidating. It's how they keep their shallow egos inflated.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
True, I just wish that bars wouldn't keep siding with them, no matter what their behavior. The classy ones don't, but those are usually not the ones having karaoke around here. The bars only try to police or punish the bullies after violence has occurred or in the moment to prevent violence in their bar. Because it is bad for their rep, it is a hassle for them if the police are called, and because they don't want to get sued by a customer who is attacked. Otherwise, they don't care at all if a customer is verbally bullied and harassed, as long as the customer is not a woman, a big spender, someone with friends who are regular customers,, etc. I fit the profile of the disposable customer: only show up one or two nights a week, don't spend more than about ten bucks, usually by myself, not friends with any regulars. The don't want women bullied or harassed, esp. by men, because that really hurts a bar's rep if it becomes common knowledge that women are not safe there, because then the men quit coming, since many men at bars are just there to chase sex. Something I learned from a bar owner when I was a young man. Bars sell booze and the prospect of sex, at least the successful ones seem to.
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rainmanjr comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I had more or less taken for granted that they will become more hostile and feel justified. As I say, I've started carrying my gun, this week. America doesn't get better. We just go downhill at different speeds and this roll is accelerating.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
What kind of places are you allowed to carry your gun in LV?
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rainmanjr comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I had more or less taken for granted that they will become more hostile and feel justified. As I say, I've started carrying my gun, this week. America doesn't get better. We just go downhill at different speeds and this roll is accelerating.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@rainmanjr I hear you. I hope that these two guys leave me alone and that it ends with them, at least. But at the same time, I think you're right, their type will still be around and they will continue to feel more emboldened, thus, it will probably be an ongoing problem, with new bullies popping up from time to time to bully me, as long as they think most people agree with them and that they will not suffer any consequences for bullying people like me. You might say that even as a privileged white male, I am getting a regular taste of what queer people have been dealing with for decades, even tho I was already aware of it, just hadn't been experiencing it. Of course for them, it has usually been worse and more violent.
The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
xenoview comments on Jun 27, 2022:
US Supreme Court: Should this coach have been punished for praying? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61224856
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Redheadedgammy He loves playing the martyr...
The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
Anabucerias comments on Jun 27, 2022:
A travesty to have to watch such a spectacle. Watch the ones that actbs9 damned pious. You are right TomMcGiverin
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
The biggest phonies are always the biggest showboaters in staying in the spotlight...
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rainmanjr comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I had more or less taken for granted that they will become more hostile and feel justified. As I say, I've started carrying my gun, this week. America doesn't get better. We just go downhill at different speeds and this roll is accelerating.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
I'm not afraid yet of them coming after me outside a bar after I leave, where they might have a gun in their car or truck, and they will never be able to carry inside a bar. But if I start getting stalked by any of them looking for me away from karaoke bars, yes, I may get a gun, learn to shoot and start carrying it in my car. That is only if one of them stalks me and seems to have a gun of their own. I may also consider changing my stance on having a smartphone so I could record someone stalking me and get a dashboard camera for my car if I think someone might come after my car to vandalize it at a karaoke bar, so I would have evidence if they trashed it. So far none of them know what my car looks like.
The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
Castlepaloma comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Many Christians love their football. Lots of alcohol and watching players get their heads smashed in. A bloody head smashing celebration for the lower IQ.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
That is why I have lost interest in football, both college and pro, decades ago, since the game seemed so grossly violent. Then the news came out about concussions and dementia, along with other brain damage, and I had even less interest in watching the modern version of gladiator fights... I think that latter discovery has also turned off a lot of people from the game, same as with boxing...
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silverotter11 comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Growing up in a really white suburb in NJ I was aware of hypocrisy, racism, wealthy folks have the control/power and the mafia. America's very fucked up, all attempts to un-fucked things have met with resistance from the hypocrites, ignorant redneck types, the wealthy, big corporate and the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@silverotter11 Thanks for the props, sad but true. I wish I were wrong about what is happening these days.. The fascist, bully type whites do seem to be emboldened, as do the racist haters. It won't be long before racist white cops go back to beating and executing black people and other hate crimes will continue to get more frequent as well. And yes, I do remember the way the racists and rednecks lost their shit when Obama was elected and the whole time he was in power..
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Redheadedgammy comments on Jun 26, 2022:
I went and had lunch with 2 friends that lived in my old neighborhood today. One of these ladies was a registered repub along with her husband. She has a transgender son who she loves with all her heart. She and her husband have left their hateful, bigoted church and are now Independents. Diane is ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Redheadedgammy The men's loss...
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Garban comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Are there security cameras in the bar? If so: Option 1: You get a few stitches and he gets a few weeks in jail and a restraining order. Option 2: You give up karaoke.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Garban I figured that was your intent and I agree with you. I have no intention of hitting back, just covering up and ducking, while waiting for the cops. I don't own a smartphone, but my friends I go to karaoke with do, and they would be at the ready to call the cops for me and record the bully as soon as they start hassling me. As for challenging their manhood, I am not interested in poking that bear. I am not going to call them names or challenge their brawn. I will simply tell them in advance that I will press charges, sue them, and get a restraining order, not that they may care. I may also point out, if a friend is there, that they will be calling the cops and recording them. If they are already recording them, I will make sure the guy knows that too. The second guy appeared from his clothing and grooming to have some money, so suing him would matter. The first guy was probably closer to white trash, so suing him would probably be fairly useless, but karaoke is probably most of his social life..
Half in new poll say Trump tried to stay in office through illegal means | The Hill
Leetx comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I am speechless. Anyone who watched any of the hearings knows that trump tried to stay illegally. I don't know what, but, something is wrong with these people.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
Sometimes, I don't know if it's more delusion or intellectual dishonesty, probably some of both..
Half in new poll say Trump tried to stay in office through illegal means | The Hill
Barnie2years comments on Jun 27, 2022:
The idea that Republicans, and even more so Trumplicans, can be reasoned with is absolutely ludicrous. It is the equivalent of trying to explain how over the top religion is to a fundamentalist.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
Or like trying to talk to an inanimate object and expecting an answer.... It's a pity that these people were not at Jonestown and drinking the Kool-Aid there as well. It would greatly improve our politics, the same as the South and Midwest seceding from America..
Having lived in Malaysia I can see this being something that could catch on as a trend.
Garban comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I think litigation would be imminent. 🤣
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
Probably. I remember how decades ago bars used to have ladies nights, with drink discounts for women, but they got sued for sex discrimination and had to drop it.
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Garban comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Are there security cameras in the bar? If so: Option 1: You get a few stitches and he gets a few weeks in jail and a restraining order. Option 2: You give up karaoke.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
There were at the bar on Sat. night. To address your points, in order: One, I also hire a lawyer and sue him for attacking me, and I not only get some jail time for him, as well as a fine and a restraining order, I get some of his money. I know a few lawyers and could easily get some referrals. Two, I am not going to let them win by making me give up karaoke, even if I have to protect myself by always having a companion when I go there to be my witness and stick up for me., You either obviously don't understand that letting the bullies win never changes anything or them for that matter, and also that some principles are (figureatively) worth fighting for. I let a bully run me out of a bar when I was 30 years younger, I let another one run me out about fifteen years ago, so I am tired of being pushed around and I have felt ashamed and regretted it ever since, so I am not going to let them run my out of my hobby. Call me a fool, but I value my pride and self respect more than letting them run me out of karaoke. Three: The bully also gets barred from the bar where he attacked me and, if he is a karaoke singer, as the first one was, that is one less place that he can sing at, so there is also that penalty, plus, the restraining order would prevent him from going anywhere that I choose to sing at. Pretty quickly, he could become very limited in where he could still go sing karaoke. I think this last one would hit them where they live and they might become fairly socially isolated because of that. If they don't learn from that, then they are beyond learning, except maybe to not get caught... How ironic if this caused THEM to have to give up karaoke...... The second bully wouldn't care, since he hates karaoke, but he might get barred from his favorite bar, which would sting some. Sorry to be so sensitive, as I'm guessing you were just being honest and logical about it, but the suggestion of giving up my favorite hobby just seemed too dismissive to me.
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Redheadedgammy comments on Jun 26, 2022:
I went and had lunch with 2 friends that lived in my old neighborhood today. One of these ladies was a registered repub along with her husband. She has a transgender son who she loves with all her heart. She and her husband have left their hateful, bigoted church and are now Independents. Diane is ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Redheadedgammy I would say so. They would probably get a lot of quality interest from men if they were available and on a dating site with men their age.
It must be silly season! I put this under dating for real people only because I didn't know what ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 27, 2022:
First off, why is a man that much older contacting someone that much younger than himself? Secondly, he is either mentally ill, demented, or simply clueless to think that someone wants to be lectured for 25 min. by someone they just connected with on a dating site. He clearly has no social skills or...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Organist1 I think you indulged him more than enough..
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silverotter11 comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Growing up in a really white suburb in NJ I was aware of hypocrisy, racism, wealthy folks have the control/power and the mafia. America's very fucked up, all attempts to un-fucked things have met with resistance from the hypocrites, ignorant redneck types, the wealthy, big corporate and the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
Yup, not all country music fans are assholes or conservatives, but just about every asshole or conservative bully I've ever encountered was a country fan who preferred it to rock. So that's a big part of why I hate the genre, because it is such a hostile culture to me. Hearing it gives me the same discomfort and creepy feelings as someone hearing banjo music after watching the movie Deliverance... It's becoming like the movie Cabaret, and our American brownshirts are becoming really emboldened, so they are feeling more open about picking on guys like me who sing lefty songs at karaoke and appear to obvious to them as their political and cultural enemies. More and more of our public places will be come political battlegrounds in some aspects. At the beginning of Cabaret, the brownshirts only beat up people outside the club, because they were still not popular, later in the movie, they beat up one of the main characters inside the club, because they are by then mainstream politically...
The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
rainmanjr comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Posted, by me, on FB: Some of us (like me) have been warning about a Theocratic coup taking place and been rebuked for being hysterical. I think it is now very clear that The Federalist Society, a Christian org set up by and for the purpose of eliminating all secular decisions from SCOTUS, has ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@rainmanjr I get your point, if you resist violently, you are playing for all the marbles, and if you lose, you will probably be killed. But the way the election system is being rigged and the way the right is willing to use violence to get what they want, no matter how an election may come out, as well as the SC doing whatever it wants, despite public opinion and precedent, violent opposition may be our only option in the future to resist and oppose them. Non-violence is only a tactic, and sometimes it is a luxury we don't have. I don't think it worked out too well in Nazi Germany for the White Rose Society...
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Redheadedgammy comments on Jun 26, 2022:
I went and had lunch with 2 friends that lived in my old neighborhood today. One of these ladies was a registered repub along with her husband. She has a transgender son who she loves with all her heart. She and her husband have left their hateful, bigoted church and are now Independents. Diane is ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Redheadedgammy You three don't look old to me...
The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
rainmanjr comments on Jun 27, 2022:
Posted, by me, on FB: Some of us (like me) have been warning about a Theocratic coup taking place and been rebuked for being hysterical. I think it is now very clear that The Federalist Society, a Christian org set up by and for the purpose of eliminating all secular decisions from SCOTUS, has ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
If it takes violence to resist it, and I'm afraid it will, I am onboard with that...
It must be silly season! I put this under dating for real people only because I didn't know what ...
LucyLoohoo comments on Jun 26, 2022:
CHANGE YOUR PHONE NUMBER! And--did your phone record his number? SAVE THAT. You never know when you might need it for law enforcement.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Organist1 Being 500 miles away, I think you have nothing to worry about as far as him bothering you in person. As far as cyber stalking, who knows, if he has what he needs to track you down online? Few people that age will still drive those kind of distances. I would definitely report him to the dating site.
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KKGator comments on Jun 27, 2022:
That's fucked up. It's a good thing I don't go out. I'd either end up dead, or in jail.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
I hear you. It's part of why I would never host a karaoke show, much as I like karaoke, because I have no tolerance for bullshit, don't drink, don't want to deal with drunk assholes, or even any assholes, etc.. So if I hosted karaoke, I wouldn't last even one night and would probably end up in jail for trying to strangle the living shit out of someone who deserved it! I only go to bars for karaoke or to hear live music. So for me it's all for music. And the bands I go hear at bars do not attract rednecks in the audience, so I am always safe there.
Buy two, get one free.
RichCC comments on Jun 27, 2022:
I've seen it attributed to Simon Cameron, 1967. -- **An honest politician is one who when he's bought stays bought**. But I'm not sure today's GOP even qualifies by that standard.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
I'm guessing he was talking particularly about Chicago pols, as they had a great rep for corruption and being reliable assets.
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
KKGator comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Alito cited some bullshit 16th century English dude as some sort of "explanation". Along with a lot of other bullshit. Fuck the 6 justices who ruled to strip basic rights from Americans. They're all liars and scumbags. I hope they die painfully, and soon.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 27, 2022:
@Flyingsaucesir I remember that, which is why I still referred to him as a conservative asshole..
Now that the USA has taken its first step into a right-wing theocracy is there any way to stop it if...
rainmanjr comments on Jun 26, 2022:
You are one of the very few I've seen address this as a question about Theocracy. People do not really believe that's what is happening, or think their specific concern only happens to involve religion, so are still talking about issues from a personal POV. I think they make us less productive ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
I think you are a clear-minded realist, not a cynic. I wish more people shared that with you rather than being overly romantic or sentimental about our society's members. The faults of most of our fellow Americans are not merely stupidity or ignorance, it's also this extreme individualism and selfishness.
Now that the USA has taken its first step into a right-wing theocracy is there any way to stop it if...
rainmanjr comments on Jun 26, 2022:
You are one of the very few I've seen address this as a question about Theocracy. People do not really believe that's what is happening, or think their specific concern only happens to involve religion, so are still talking about issues from a personal POV. I think they make us less productive ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@Mooolah Boomers advanced us during the 60s and 70s, but then most of them sold us out later by becoming supporters of Reagan and then corporate Dems, beginning in the 90s. So they still deserve some blame overall as a generation group.
Now that the USA has taken its first step into a right-wing theocracy is there any way to stop it if...
dalefvictor comments on Jun 26, 2022:
We white people now get to experience the full power of the elite against our race. As a people we are now now longer of privilege and we will get to experience what black, Latinos, and other foreign people have for hundreds of years. The only way I see to solve the problem is a civil war, we see ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
Totally agree. Being white itself, or even being a white male, will no longer be a protection against being persecuted, if you are not also straight, Christian, and on board with the right wing theocratic program. You will be treated by them as an enemy of the state, the same as foreign terrorists, and they will show you no mercy.
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
KKGator comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Alito cited some bullshit 16th century English dude as some sort of "explanation". Along with a lot of other bullshit. Fuck the 6 justices who ruled to strip basic rights from Americans. They're all liars and scumbags. I hope they die painfully, and soon.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@KKGator Can't agree with you on extremes, but I do on the rest of it.
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Maybe those assholes have no right to breathe. Color me not sympathetic if any of them are assassinated, not that it will ever happen. They have too much security provided them by now, and anyway, the left gave up violence decades ago, unlike our own modern domestic terrorists on the right.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@Buck That's true, I am often an asshole and I am offended to be lumped in with these pricks and bitches..
They know who you are, no matter where you are.
Garban comments on Jun 26, 2022:
How did he get on the bed?😱
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@glennlab They are heat-seeking felines...
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
KKGator comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Alito cited some bullshit 16th century English dude as some sort of "explanation". Along with a lot of other bullshit. Fuck the 6 justices who ruled to strip basic rights from Americans. They're all liars and scumbags. I hope they die painfully, and soon.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@KKGator I hear ya. That's why I'm a socialist, not a Dem, because I believe in fighting these assholes by all means necessary, as Malcom X would say, rather than this centrist Dem Party bullshit of bipartisanship and civility...
Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?
BufftonBeotch comments on Jun 25, 2022:
The right wing fascists are not going to allow people to have birth control either. Pubic hair Thomas said so.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
If only his viagra could be taken away as punishment...
Is this what the Supreme Court intended?
BufftonBeotch comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Slaves. At least Jefferson had the decency to free his own children fathered with slaves. Some women forced their husbands to sell their own children away because they couldn't stand looking into the obvious face of their husband's infidelity.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
That is probably more accurate. Breeding slaves like the young black women enslaved on the plantation, to provide more slave stock for the master, and then when they weren't pregnant, to work in the fields or in the big house. The Handmaid's Tale is now becoming reality..
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
racocn8 comments on Jun 26, 2022:
This is NOT about abortion. It was never about Pro-Life, which is obvious. This was ALWAYS about having a dog-whistle to mobilize fascist Christian voters. And NOW, that has morphed into a culture-war sledge-hammer. The fascist Christian judges have openly admitted they intend to undo every ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
That is why, even tho I have always been antiwar, if it comes down to fighting these pricks in the street, I am willing to buy a gun, learn to shoot and give my life if necessary, to kill a few of them to take with me if I end up dying for it. This is the first war that actually would be worth fighting in during my lifetime. I will not die passively or let them take me to a camp.
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
FvckY0u comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Absolutely 100% agree. Nor does the constitution explicitly lay out the right to have high powered semi auto rifles. It's an application of law that they only apply to certain things and not others. Very intellectually dishonest.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
Intellectually dishonest. You know that is the definition of every conservative I've ever encountered. I hope you are not naive enough to still think that intellectual honesty means anything to conservatives...
The Justices that overturned Roe are “Constitutionalists.
KKGator comments on Jun 26, 2022:
Alito cited some bullshit 16th century English dude as some sort of "explanation". Along with a lot of other bullshit. Fuck the 6 justices who ruled to strip basic rights from Americans. They're all liars and scumbags. I hope they die painfully, and soon.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
To be fair, John Roberts did vote in favor of upholding Roe, even tho he is still a conservative asshole. He probably did so in order to make the SC look less partisan and extreme, but he already knew, I'm sure, that voting with the liberals would not affect the outcome.
If this is what they mean by "conservative," I'd hate to see their "radical."
FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:
it's all going to come back to the conservatives. The right to carry a high powered semi auto rifle is not explicitly defined in the constitution. The argument used to take away the right of an abortion can also be used to take away other rights such as gun rights. Once the supreme court sees fit...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@FvckY0u I agree with those statements, and would add, that sometimes, the same with a mule, you first have to hit it on the head with a two by four to get its attention! Then you can try leading it to water... That would probably be the kind of reality hit you are talking about....
If this is what they mean by "conservative," I'd hate to see their "radical."
FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:
it's all going to come back to the conservatives. The right to carry a high powered semi auto rifle is not explicitly defined in the constitution. The argument used to take away the right of an abortion can also be used to take away other rights such as gun rights. Once the supreme court sees fit...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@FvckY0u You would think, but they don't. I have attended a few of those funerals, not for anyone I actually knew or had as a friend, but to support others in my life that I loved or had as friends that had some connection to the deceased. Those people you speak of may as well live on another planet or country, as they are as alien to me as a Martian. I just want to avoid them and be left alone by them. But they surround me all the time in my local area. I am greatly outnumbered by them and it does, at times, feel like I am a foreigner in my native state.
SCOTUS new robes.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 25, 2022:
In fairness, Roberts did vote to uphold Roe, so maybe he doesn't deserve the pope outfit, but he may well have voted that way since he already knew it wouldn't affect the outcome.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@Sierra4 We may never know if that is why he voted with the Dem/liberal justices on this one. Well, you know how it is, us on the left actually still believe in fairness and truth, unlike the Repubs and those on the right. For them, those values are for weaklings, sissies, chumps, and losers....
If this is what they mean by "conservative," I'd hate to see their "radical."
FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:
it's all going to come back to the conservatives. The right to carry a high powered semi auto rifle is not explicitly defined in the constitution. The argument used to take away the right of an abortion can also be used to take away other rights such as gun rights. Once the supreme court sees fit...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@FvckY0u I hope you are right, man. What I always say to Repubs who are working class, poor, or even middle class is, " What does voting Repub actually do for you? Does it give you good health insurance? Better wages? Affordable housing? Are you able to feed your family with it? It may make you feel superior to colored people or indulge any prejudices you have against immigrants and queer people. It may give you a lot of satisfaction to own the libs, but what does it do to actually help you get ahead in life or be happier with what you have?" Of course, they have no answer for any of that and instead just end up cursing me and muttering or shouting some shit about how they love Jesus and the Constitution, etc... What a bunch o deluded morons!.... I don't want all guns taken away, but I sure as hell would like to see automatic weapons and assault rifles outlawed for everyone but the police and military.
While I already shop at Dicks, this made me feel good about it.
Lauren comments on Jun 25, 2022:
I didn't but will now. I'm interested in finding a list of businesses that support women's autonomy ... and which don't.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 26, 2022:
@Lauren I think someone posted that list on here in the Politics forum...
If this is what they mean by "conservative," I'd hate to see their "radical."
FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:
it's all going to come back to the conservatives. The right to carry a high powered semi auto rifle is not explicitly defined in the constitution. The argument used to take away the right of an abortion can also be used to take away other rights such as gun rights. Once the supreme court sees fit...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
I would love to see their guns taken away, but it will never happen, you and I both know that. The future governments will only take rights away from people who are not white, male, Christian, or straight. Everybody else is endangered...
While I already shop at Dicks, this made me feel good about it.
Lauren comments on Jun 25, 2022:
I didn't but will now. I'm interested in finding a list of businesses that support women's autonomy ... and which don't.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
Someone posted one here on Agnostic yesterday.
I see the corruption of Christian immorality being the order of the day for the SCOTUS for the ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Yup. precedent means nothing anymore, as those fucks lied thru their teeth during their confirmation hearings..
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@Flyingsaucesir I love to argue, and am good at it, but unlike my father and my brother, I never got paid to do it...
Just for fun: a few celebrities with their cats...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 25, 2022:
Who is the woman?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@Lilac-JadeCanada Thanks.
Too many were too complacent. We now have to fight like hell.
Garban comments on Jun 24, 2022:
This is a can that we’ve been kicking down the road for 49 years. Women’s rights should have been codified into federal law at least 40 years ago. The GOP has stirred a hornets nest and in 133 days I hope there’s a whelp that can be seen from space. https://yourcountdown.to/election-day
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
With the voter suppression laws now in so many states, the backlash from women voters won't be enough to overcome it. The Repubs will win control of both houses of congress. They will also win the WH in two years..
Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?
itsmeagain comments on Jun 25, 2022:
No, everyone is/was already on birth control. Sadly, women have historically been saddled with the responsibility of trying to prevent pregnancies via the use of dangerous hormones or barbaric implanted devices, only to be be blamed when such fallible devices fail, and then stigmatized when ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
I fully agree. If these shitheads want to treat women barbarically for accidentally getting pregnant, then let's share the blame and responsibility with both sexes. If a man gets a woman pregnant, and she didn't to get pregnant, then let's require all men in that situation to get mandatory vasectomies, besides paying child support, so they can't knock anyone else up accidentally. It takes two to tango, right?
I see the corruption of Christian immorality being the order of the day for the SCOTUS for the ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Yup. precedent means nothing anymore, as those fucks lied thru their teeth during their confirmation hearings..
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@Flyingsaucesir I know, I was raised in a family with lawyers...
Seeing the Democrats on TV after the SCOTUS ruling on abortion talk about how young people need to ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
No shit! The root cause of what happened today is the forty years of voting for corporate Dems, who then abandoned the working class in favor of their corporate masters. Which led to the working class voters, esp. white males, abandoning the Dem Party and voting instead for Repubs. Which led to ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@racocn8 Hillary lost, not because of anything progressives did, but because she was a terrible, corrupt candidate, who the working class hated and voted for Trump instead of her. She scorned working class voters and ignored their grievances. Trump didn't, he appealed to them, even tho he was lying. The DNC loyalists always blame the progressives for all their own fuckups and losses. They need to look in the fucking mirror...
👏👏👏 JP Morgan, Disney join wave of companies that'll cover employee abortion travel ...
rainmanjr comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Oh, well that will solve the problem. Just get a job with one of them when pregnant. Then the woman can be arrested after getting back home for having killed a fetus while gone. You don't think red states have considered this? Really? They've just won a 50 year long war so they seem to be pretty ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@Druvius Hence, the civil war I've been predicting..
Seeing the Democrats on TV after the SCOTUS ruling on abortion talk about how young people need to ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
No shit! The root cause of what happened today is the forty years of voting for corporate Dems, who then abandoned the working class in favor of their corporate masters. Which led to the working class voters, esp. white males, abandoning the Dem Party and voting instead for Repubs. Which led to ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 25, 2022:
@racocn8 Wrong, the Russiagate stuff is fairly tales, if you believe that shit won the election for Trump, I am not going to bother arguing with you. You are a good guy, Howard, but you drink too much of the DNC Kool-Aid. Not going to keep arguing the Nader bullshit with you either. Obviously you are fine with the duopoly. If you are, you are just as deluded as the Trumpers. Both major parties are equivalent on the things that matter the most, namely the issues that matter to their mostly shared corporate donors. Ever watch a presidential debate during the general election? Those issues that matter to the corporate donors are never discussed during those debates. Why? Not just because the corporate media moderators for the debates don't want them discussed, but because neither party wants them discussed, because it would show how much the two parties are the same on those issues. And the two major parties control the debate commission and have total control over the debate format and ?s...
Seeing the Democrats on TV after the SCOTUS ruling on abortion talk about how young people need to ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
No shit! The root cause of what happened today is the forty years of voting for corporate Dems, who then abandoned the working class in favor of their corporate masters. Which led to the working class voters, esp. white males, abandoning the Dem Party and voting instead for Repubs. Which led to ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
@racocn8 I don't agree. Because of the corporate Dems like Biden, Trump will probably get his second term in two years anyway, so what is your point? What is the difference? You need to read Chris Hedges. We will likely have civil war and theocratic dictatorship, because most voters have kept voting for the duopoly and corporate Dems. We have already lost our chance to save any democratic protections, so what is there to lose at this point by going for broke? If most people support it, we might actually get out of this mess, but we sure as hell won't get out of it by continuing the status quo of voting for a corrupt Dem Party... Following your advice and keeping faith with the Dem Party, is what gave us Trump in the first place. When, in your opinion, is the time ever finally right for the left to push for revolution thru dumping the Dems and fighting back against the duopoly? Do we wait another forty years? You probably still believe the bullshit that Nader lost the election for Gore in 2000, rather than the SC....
Seeing the Democrats on TV after the SCOTUS ruling on abortion talk about how young people need to ...
racocn8 comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Too often people are their own worst enemy. One of the GRU's prime targets in 2016 were progressives who listened to the bots and stayed home in droves. And Hillary may have been qualified in terms of experience, but was depressingly unpleasant. Also, she displayed very bad judgment, not least of ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
@WilliamCharles I actually think a moderate Repub woman, back when moderate Repubs still existed, might well have been electable as prez in the past, unlike Hillary....
Too many were too complacent. We now have to fight like hell.
Garban comments on Jun 24, 2022:
This is a can that we’ve been kicking down the road for 49 years. Women’s rights should have been codified into federal law at least 40 years ago. The GOP has stirred a hornets nest and in 133 days I hope there’s a whelp that can be seen from space. https://yourcountdown.to/election-day
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
This is what we get for forty years of voting for corporate Dems who only care about the rich and corporations, not about protecting our rights and the interests of average Americans. That trend is what led to the working class abandoning the Dems in favor of the Repubs, ending in the election of Trump, which allowed the three conservative shitheads being put on the court, with the votes of corporate Dems, BTW. The Repubs have had 5 votes on the court for almost two decades now, but didn't overturn Roe, because they wanted to be sure first that they had enough voter suppression laws in place around the country in red states to still allow them to win a majority of Senate elections around the country, even after the inevitable backlash by women that will come against the Repubs after this decision. We will still end up with a Repub majority in the Senate due to the voter suppression laws. Welcome to fascism, where they don't need to win elections fairly anymore, if we even have elections, because the will of the people and the votes of all who should be able to vote, won't matter anymore. When they no longer need to win elections fairly or even at all, they can impose whatever policies they want, no matter how unpopular. That is where we are now... The mask has now been ripped off our charade of a democracy...
Whelp, this crap is official.
Garban comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Supreme Court has been taking lessons from the Taliban.😢
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
The Repub Party has become the American version of the Taliban.
I'm going to be alone forever I'm scared
BitFlipper comments on Jun 23, 2022:
I've been alone for 20 years. It's not fatal.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
It's not fatal, but it is a big stress, if one is involuntarily single. I guess it's subjective and very individual. It can be fatal, in a way, should the person become so depressed by their situation of involuntary singlehood that they commit suicide over it. Other times, I think, there are people who simply die of a broken or lonely heart, such as the widowed people who sometimes go from good or fair health to dying soon after their partner dies, simply because they have lost their purpose in life and their will to live.
Whelp, this crap is official.
LucyLoohoo comments on Jun 24, 2022:
DAMN THEM! Womens' lives don't matter. Zygotes' lives take precedence. Gotta' go....working with Pasadena Planned Parenthood to help organize a demonstration today. Women will be FURIOUS.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
I agree that many women will be furious and will become single issue voters over this, voting for the Dems, but I think that will be too little, too late, as the Repubs have already figured out how to suppress the votes of colored people enough that the Repubs can still win federal elections even with the added female votes against them. That is why I think the SC waited until now to overturn Roe. They wanted to wait until the backlash would no longer matter in federal elections. Fascism, here we come! The Repubs may be evil, but they are very cunning and good at calculating how to time things and strategize to get what they want, no matter what the majority public opinion may be...
Just curious how many of you, esp.
DenoPenno comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Well said. I notice in my realm that others (especially women) think your input on things is asking them to fix a problem. All I am doing is sharing a situation.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
Actually, in my experience, it is usually men more than women that seem to think a request for input on a situation requires them to fix a problem or the problem, but I respect that your experience has been different. And I will also say that I have also often found, on Agnostic.com in particular, that, yes, even women often will reflexively try to fix the problem, so to speak, rather than just offer their opinion and perspective. What I would really find interesting to hear, would be to get the input of women from my area, as well as other women from the Midwest, that actually have kids and get some insight as to why this is such a requirement for them in who they will date, even at my age. But that doesn't seem like something I will ever honestly get, because they are probably too defensive about it, and maybe don't want to recognize that their bias against childless men is irrelevant to finding a good partner and might be getting in their way of finding a good mate. I appreciate your recognizing that I put some thought into how I worded this post, so that I wouldn't get the usual responses where people try to fix the problem by telling me the usual conventional wisdom solutions of moving away to a better dating pool or trying LD dating. Those things are so easy to say, with good intentions, and much harder for someone to actually do, at least if they are me.
Can’t believe I got better looking again today!!! Thank you baby Jesus!!!😎
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 24, 2022:
Actually, that saying about getting better looking everyday, was originally said by pro football legend and playboy Joe Namath, back around 1970. His actual saying was, " I can't wait til' tomorrow, because I get better looking every day".. No lack of confidence there, ever, with that guy...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 24, 2022:
@DenoPenno I know. I really lost my respect for him after I saw that. As for Jimmy Walker, the other guy hawking the Medicare Advantage plans, I never had any respect or liking for him in the first place.
I'm going to be alone forever I'm scared
Cyklone comments on Jun 23, 2022:
Harden the fuck up.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 23, 2022:
Quit being a stone-hearted asshole.... I don't see you ever having the balls to post anything honest and vulnerable on this site... Typical macho male..
Believers are being lied to under the guise of belief in their so-called holy book.
OldMetalHead comments on Jun 23, 2022:
I've heard the excuses of the xtian politicians about gun violence and climate change. I would love to hear more public figures rebuke the obvious corruption and gas lighting, but most don't want to be seen as intolerant of religion even when it's so obviously being used as a shield for abhorrent ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 23, 2022:
@nogod4me They do that by both appealing to their sense of patriotism and/or religion, as well as making the life of a soldier or cop at least somewhat better than that of the other, more poorer peasants. They offer them at least the dream of upward mobility by serving in law enforcement or the military.
Believers are being lied to under the guise of belief in their so-called holy book.
Anabucerias comments on Jun 23, 2022:
Yes, the leavei t to God mentality does breed passivity .
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 23, 2022:
@nogod4me That's why I'm a proud socialist. Injustice and inequality are not acceptable to me morally, and being a non-believer who knows that this life is all there is, makes acceptance of those things even more abhorrent..
Believers are being lied to under the guise of belief in their so-called holy book.
OldMetalHead comments on Jun 23, 2022:
I've heard the excuses of the xtian politicians about gun violence and climate change. I would love to hear more public figures rebuke the obvious corruption and gas lighting, but most don't want to be seen as intolerant of religion even when it's so obviously being used as a shield for abhorrent ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 23, 2022:
@nogod4me Yes, the poor don't rebel or try to murder the rich, at least the religious poor don't, because they still believe the bullshit that they will be rewarded in the afterlife with a wonderful existence in heaven.
I'd go closer to summer. I like it hot.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 23, 2022:
Obviously Miss Rhode Island is not the brightest bulb in the room...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 23, 2022:
@UrsiMajor It's either snark or being dim. My money is on dim. Personally, I'm not a fan of snark, and I don't use it, tho I know it's popular with folks younger than me. I believe if someone asks you a sincere, earnest ?, you owe them a sincere, honest answer, rather than an arrogant, smart-ass answer that is about showing off your intelligence and contempt for the person asking the ?. Because, what have they done to you to deserve that kind of rudeness? Personally, I think those who use snark on people they are not friends with, are just arrogant assholes wanting to deliver a put down to innocent victims and show off how smart they are. It shows they are cruel, smug, and that they feel they are superior. Instead of being complimented on their creative use of words, from me they will get full on hostility and put down with extreme prejudice, verbally, as I call them out for the insecure, petty, asshole that they are. They won't try it more than once with me... I admire smart-ass remarks when they are made to someone who is obviously an asshole in response to something they said, or when it is done among friends, but otherwise, no, I don't think it's warranted or appropriate. I grow tired of gutless Millenials who hide behind snark and other expressions of irony because they are too afraid or insecure to honestly express any serious feelings of passion, vulnerability, or earnestness about anything in life.
A sad state of affairs.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 22, 2022:
I've been saying for a few years now that Biden has obvious dementia, but no mainstream Dems are willing to believe me, and it's not that I am a Trumper or a conservative. I supported Bernie, and that's actually who most Americans would have preferred over Biden or Trump. He is the one who turned ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 22, 2022:
@BDair He got cheated both times, and would have won either time if he had got the nomination. I still fault him, tho, for never having left the Dems behind after each loss and started or ran on a third party ticket for prez. I still think he could have won doing that, but now he is too old and it is too late. I fear he gave up our only chance for a third party that could have reformed our fed govt. and gotten rid of both corrupt major parties. He could have led the way, but he either was threatened, chickened out, or cared too much about his own place in congress to put the progressive movement ahead of his own career. Another thing, Liz Warren proved that she was a fake progressive when she didn't drop out of the primary and throw her support to him so he could carry the progressive agenda into the general election. She stayed in the primaries just long enough to ensure Biden's win, then dropped out and blamed her failing to support Bernie on bullshit about the Bernie Bros and some personal slight she claimed he made to her. I don't buy any of that. What she sold her soul for in that deal, I have no idea, but just like in 2016, she appeared to have gotten nothing out of her supporting Hillary over Bernie then or supporting Biden over him later. She has shitty political instincts and no integrity, and I will never forgive her.
I'm going to be alone forever I'm scared
FvckY0u comments on Jun 22, 2022:
I was talking to a long time friend via email today. He was complaining about father's day and the food wasn't cooked right, didn't spend enough time with his kids, etc. We can all complain. It's simply a matter of perspective. I often think back to my days spent at a Children's hospital and I'd...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 22, 2022:
Good points.
Happy Juneteenth to all our African American members on Agnostic!! 🥳
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 19, 2022:
I doubt we have very many of them on here, at least that's my perception on the boards here.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 20, 2022:
@BufftonBeotch All true.
Happy Juneteenth to all our African American members on Agnostic!! 🥳
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 19, 2022:
I doubt we have very many of them on here, at least that's my perception on the boards here.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 20, 2022:
@Buck I get that, but it' still true this site has very few. Jus' sayin'. It's cultural, I would guess, because for most black folks, the church is an even bigger thing growing up than it is for most white folks, because it's not only about religion, it is the center of their community. So that might account for fewer folks dropping out of religion entirely.
This is why a person has to be extremely cautious whenever calling the police.
DenoPenno comments on Jun 17, 2022:
I saw a movie once where a woman called the police because she could not get her cat out of a tree. A policeman appeared and shot the cat out of the tree. Today this appears more likely than not.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 18, 2022:
Guess someone was a bit trigger-happy....
What is the pettiest reason you won’t date someone?
BudFrank comments on Jun 14, 2022:
I have met women who have very nasal voices. Seems like they are mostly waitresses, but that may just be anecdotal evidence. I could have a hard time dating one of them, no matter what their personality and our compatibility emotionally or physically.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 18, 2022:
The worst type would be a woman who not only had a nasal voice, but also acted like a Karen. Talk about a walking stereotype.....
What is the pettiest reason you won’t date someone?
FvckY0u comments on Jun 14, 2022:
hmmm, good question. I'd have to go with ass. I'm an ass man and if it doesn't meet with my satisfaction I wouldn't date it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 17, 2022:
@FvckY0u Ditto here. I have never been popular nor have I ever cared to be. What I have always been is honest, and my friends all value me for that and also somehow like me as well. As for everyone else, I really don't give a flying fuck, probably the same as you... Your new username is amusing...
What is the pettiest reason you won’t date someone?
FvckY0u comments on Jun 14, 2022:
hmmm, good question. I'd have to go with ass. I'm an ass man and if it doesn't meet with my satisfaction I wouldn't date it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 17, 2022:
At least you're honest about physical type being important. Most people are probably like you on that, but won't admit it.
Just curious what most others think.
Marionville comments on Jun 16, 2022:
I wasn’t aware that we were still being moderated onsite. I thought we’d been left to our own devices to steer the ship ourselves long ago. If there is someone overseeing things with a heavy hand and censoriously chucking members out, I have been blissfully unaware of it. As for dealing ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 16, 2022:
As far as fake identities, you are talking about scammers who come on here to troll for gullible members that will send them money. I think all of us are too intelligent to fall for that, so the scammers probably don't stay here very long. But it could be that someone is still acting on behalf of the site and kicking them out or deleting their accounts if they get reported as a scammer. And you're right about trolls, we don't need any help most of the time with them, we can simply ignore them or block them, without needing someone to step in and suspend them or kick them out, except, as I said, if they keep causing trouble in a particular group.
Just curious what most others think.
Mooolah comments on Jun 16, 2022:
Moderating a site =PYA
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 16, 2022:
@Marionville I did a net search on the term. She probably means Protect Your Ass, as in the site's admin. moderating the site in order to avoid getting sued for something posted on here. Beyond that, I have no idea what she was saying.
Hi, I’m from Iowa and put the light to meet people of like precious non-belief… Hee hee.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 11, 2022:
Good luck. There are only three of us that are still active here, besides you, as far as I know. I've been on here several years now, and have yet to meet one person from this site in person. Living in the middle of FL, you've got a better chance than I have of meeting someone from your area to ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 16, 2022:
@TSackville You are probably better off then there than me here. Iowa has now become a one-party state, politically, dominated by the Repubs in all statewide elections and the legislature. The ignorant hicks are winning, at least for the time being. I live near Des Moines, so at least an enclave of educated blue voters are nearby. That is why I drive to Des Moines and West Des Moines for all my social life and entertainment.
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Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Jun 15, 2022:
My girls couldn't care less about a box if it's empty.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 16, 2022:
@Lilac-JadeCanada I knew another cat owner that did that, left the packing tissue in there.
Who can we complain to about someone complaining about one of the nice guys on the site and calling ...
creative51 comments on Jun 7, 2022:
Ironic thing is we supposed to be adults. You would think we might be able to work some things out ourselves here. My proposal is make everyone have their real name as their handle on line here along with their real town and state they live in. I think if everyone did this, you would be surprised ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 16, 2022:
@LucyLoohoo No doubt. I'll take your word on it.
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Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Jun 15, 2022:
My girls couldn't care less about a box if it's empty.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
@Lilac-JadeCanada I see, they want a box that's full enough for them to feel snug in it, right? Makes you wonder if laying in a box is sort of like recreating being inside the womb?
Who can we complain to about someone complaining about one of the nice guys on the site and calling ...
creative51 comments on Jun 7, 2022:
Ironic thing is we supposed to be adults. You would think we might be able to work some things out ourselves here. My proposal is make everyone have their real name as their handle on line here along with their real town and state they live in. I think if everyone did this, you would be surprised ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
@LucyLoohoo You make a good point. I use my real name and location as far as city, because I have the luxury of being retired, so there is reason for me to worry about my participation here affecting my livelihood. Secondly, I have never been stalked. Thirdly, I keep a low public profile in my city and few people in my city are non-believers, so I don't need to worry about anybody from there even knowing about this site, much less coming on here to stalk me from it or learn any of my particulars.
Yesterday morning I submitted a post, and when I saw later that people had reacted and commented, I ...
Fernapple comments on Mar 23, 2022:
The site works best with a desktop, people who use mobile devices, (I don't know if that includes you. ) often encounter problems. You can also sometimes get problems if you make the things first and then open them with the app, it is best to copy into a text editor, and then copy to here, or type ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
@Fernapple Now I'm thinking I may not be as paranoid as I suspected, lol..
I've tried several times to change my email address.
skado comments on May 23, 2022:
Those are automated messages. There is no one driving this train. The site has been abandoned. You don't need the link. Just proceed on. If you want an account with another email, just open another account. Welcome to AgnosticDotCom.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
Oh, yes there is, skado. Several months ago someone complained about me flaming them to someone they knew was still providing moderation to the site. They got me suspended for three days from commenting or posting, so, at least for some people who know the right person, there is some driving of the train still going on..
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Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Jun 15, 2022:
My girls couldn't care less about a box if it's empty.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
You mean they aren't drawn to getting into an empty box?
Don Jr.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Jun 15, 2022:
I don't get Guilfoyle's allure. She is a trashy bitch, and yet prior to Jr, and before joining the repucks she was California's governor's squeeze.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
@Beowulfsfriend Well, there's a tradition of that with Cali governors, Arnold, Jerry Brown, and now him.. I looked her up on Wiki, and she's clearly a starfucker, cozies up to rich, famous men. The fact that she went straight from Newsom to working for Fox News shows she has no convictions about politics and maybe also says that neither does Newsom, to have married someone who made that kind of rapid switch. Confirms my cynicism that pols of both parties merely see politics as a game or something like being an actor, where they play the part and behind the scenes serve the agenda of their real masters. So in the face of that, it isn't surprising that their partners would be fairly apolitical as far as having any real convictions either, as far as actually being loyal to one party over the other. They stay with the party that best serves their personal ambitions.
Don Jr.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Jun 15, 2022:
I don't get Guilfoyle's allure. She is a trashy bitch, and yet prior to Jr, and before joining the repucks she was California's governor's squeeze.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
@Beowulfsfriend I thought Newsom was gay..
Don Jr.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Jun 15, 2022:
I don't get Guilfoyle's allure. She is a trashy bitch, and yet prior to Jr, and before joining the repucks she was California's governor's squeeze.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
Are you referring to Arnold the Governator, as the previous Cali guv?
My gosh! I turned on the TV and turned it to FoxNews since I haven't heard any crap from the right ...
Druvius comments on Jun 14, 2022:
And people watch CNN and MSNBC and think they're being informed to. What an amazing fantasy sheetshow the US has turned into since The Fairness Doctrine was scrapped.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
CNN and MSNBC try to appear more fair and balanced than Fox News, but they really aren't much better, because all three networks support and make sure they stay within the neoliberal economics, militarism of both major parties, and the narrative that corporate control of the government doesn't exist and that corporations are mostly good citizens and beneficial for the country. Besides lying less than Fox News, the other difference that CNN and MSNBC have from Fox is that they support and favor the Dem Party, while Fox cheerleads completely for the Repubs. All three networks completely ignore any third parties, because that is who the corporations and ruling class want to never see getting any power.
The only defense against organized capital is organized labor
JonnaBononna comments on Jun 14, 2022:
I work at Target, and I think every day about how I'd like to organize a union there, especially now that summer is here. Our thermostat is set is Minneapolis. I'm in New Orleans, and the weather is a lot different here than in Minnesota. I sweat from the time I get there to the time I leave. The ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 15, 2022:
I worked at a Target back in about 1990 and it was the same thing, only worse pay. The benefits have always sucked, except for what they give management. Same way everywhere with retail jobs.
In response to a recent post: "try to reach trump supporters without belittling them" You cannot...
Garban comments on Jun 14, 2022:
I don’t understand why poor southern Christians would embrace a spoiled, rich, draft dodging, heathen, New York real estate tycoon. Seriously? I actually think they know what a turd he is, but fear being ostracized by their peers if they start questioning “ the tangerine faith”. He repeatedly ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 14, 2022:
I think you're right, there is a lot of just following the party line and joining the bandwagon in order to fit in and remain a member of the club. These people usually have very dreary, empty lives, so they join the Trump cult. Same reason people send money to televangelists. It provides purpose and meaning to their lives, as well as some entertainment.
Finally blocked Archeus Lore, the troll who unfortunately seems to have taken over the Progressives,...
racocn8 comments on Jun 13, 2022:
I'm also blocked from that, which is too bad because I'd like to comment on posts. I DM J. Robish to post elsewhere and he ignored that. I coined the term Putin-Americans a couple of years ago. I thought I was being edgy, but now I see that term is all too appropriate. I gather half of the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
I am not blocked, at least not yet, from the Progressives group, because the only moderator for that group is Krish, and I have not angered him, even tho I don't agree with a lot of what he posts. So I can still post or comment on there. William Charles used to dominate that group, posting all the time, but he has sort of dropped out, it seems, lately.
I blocked Druvius because I get frustrated seeing a troll post propaganda for Putin.
Moravian comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Very interesting. There are a least another two Putin apologists who post on here . I try to ignore them.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
@Moravian Frayed Bear is the biggest asshole on this site, as far as I'm concerned. Probably been blocked more than anyone else on Agnostic.com.
I tell ya.
Archeus_Lore comments on Jun 12, 2022:
I'd bet you'd have better luck with this: https://www.meetup.com/topics/agnostic/
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
@Archeus_Lore Time to block the asshole...
Quinceañera! My baby girl is turning 15 years old 15 years ago I saved 3 kittens from someone who ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 12, 2022:
How did you get that party hat one her without being scratched or bit? Same with the bow?
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
@Cecilia2018 Very cunning of you... Glad that both she and you got what you wanted there...
President Biden urges Congress to pass bipartisan gun framework: '
Druvius comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Political theater and military pork is all Washington is good for these days.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
Of course, and why should the pols of both major parties do anything differently from that when almost all the rubes keep voting for the duopoly instead of voting their hopes and supporting a third party instead of the duopoly?
President Biden urges Congress to pass bipartisan gun framework: '
Barnie2years comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Like Obama and the ACA, with an evenly split (and remember,if Manchin and Sinema changed their Party designation, McConnell would be the Majority Leader instead of the Minority and even less would get done. Besides Biden having to veto a lot of Republican bills coming out of the Senate), you take ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
@SeaGreenEyez You said it precisely, and that is why I am resigned to a country that will only get worse from now until my death. I am increasingly hoping that I die before it becomes unbearable...
I blocked Druvius because I get frustrated seeing a troll post propaganda for Putin.
Moravian comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Very interesting. There are a least another two Putin apologists who post on here . I try to ignore them.
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 13, 2022:
One of them would undoubtedly be Archeus Lore.....
I tell ya.
Archeus_Lore comments on Jun 12, 2022:
I'd bet you'd have better luck with this: https://www.meetup.com/topics/agnostic/
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 12, 2022:
@Archeus_Lore Say what you want to about me, AC, I reject your advice. It's as ridiculous as all your Russia-loving stuff in the Progressives group you seem to have taken over. I have no problem socially interacting, I just want it to serve a purpose and be worthwhile to me, not a waste of time that leads nowhere as far as adding anything to my life that I need and desire. I didn't ask for your fucking advice, you arrogant asshole, and my point still stands, that you appear to not be involved in the actual dating game and tho you think that makes you more logical than me, it also makes you more ignorant than me of what is actually going on these days in the game. Reply to me again on this thread and I will gladly block you.
I tell ya.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Unfortunately, there really isn't a better way, at least not at our age. You and I are both retired and not actively involved in any churches, so that eliminates two of the most common ways, work and church, that people would meet in the past. Other common ways are school and friends, both of ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 12, 2022:
@TheoryNumber3 So true on both counts. Esp. the one about good catches not staying on the market long. That flies directly the face of that line about not looking anymore and suddenly finding the right person. So wrong. That is not how it works. When you are an outlier like me or you, that doesn't fit into the mainstream or majority in your dating pool-in my case based on culture and lifestyle differences-that rare person that fits you and comes on the market- is not someone you can afford to miss by dropping out of the search. As they or others like them, may only come into the dating pool a dozen times or more a year. And you could miss out on even getting to take a shot at connecting with them if you drop out at the wrong time. However, what's really discouraging for me, is that even if I do end up connecting with them on Match thru messaging soon after they come onto the market and join Match, I still have to compete with a lot of other men and hope that I not only connect with that rare woman who seems to be compatible with an outlier with me, I also have to win the competition over the other dozen or two dozen men that she will choose to reply to and be lucky enough for her to choose me for an in person meeting during her first round of meeting men from Match in person. My experience shows that often I end up connecting with a woman like that, trading some messages, then she meets one or a few men from her first round of top picks, while I get benched as a backup in case none of them work out, then she either locks down into one of them and I never get to meet her in person, or she gets frazzled with the disappointment over the one or two guys she actually met and great hopes for, leading to her dropping out of Match and never even giving me the chance to meet her. This exact process has happened to me several times in three years.
I tell ya.
TomMcGiverin comments on Jun 12, 2022:
Unfortunately, there really isn't a better way, at least not at our age. You and I are both retired and not actively involved in any churches, so that eliminates two of the most common ways, work and church, that people would meet in the past. Other common ways are school and friends, both of ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Jun 12, 2022:
@TheoryNumber3 It's Tom, but you've got it. The demographic I encounter at group events is the same bad ones for me, married couples and other single men. Plus a few women who are either clearly not my type in profile traits or else are just not physically attractive at all to me. Finally, I also encounter women once in a while at group events that do seem compatible and attractive to me, but are single AND either not interested in dating anyone at all, or at least not me. The line about finding when you stop looking is bullshit. It is magical thinking, for one thing, and also just glib happy talk. You can't ever stop looking, esp. if you are like me and you, people that are out of the cultural and lifestyle mainstream, because our numbers of compatible people are so limited to begin with, so we have to always be looking in order to not miss out on the rare outlier like us that comes into the dating market and make a connection with them. There is a saying that no one is terminally unique, but when you have tried unsuccessfully as long as we two have in the dating game and not found someone that really felt right and attractive to you, it may be more than just a cliche. I know it is for me, since I live in a dating pool where probably only a few % of the women in my age group and local area would be mutually compatible with me, after meeting the five dealbreakers that seem to be there in profile traits, three dealbreakers on their side and two on mine. I have also verified, thru some browsing, that on Match in my local dating pool for my age group, there are at least two to three men with profiles that come up in a search as there are for each woman in that pool. So on top of all the other stuff, I have too much competition as well.

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