Good Bye and Good Riddance: So if you’re angry, guess what?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 28, 2021:

I drove a school bus for several years before I retired. One guy quit last year because he is a right winger who didn't want to mask up for the job, but it really didn't cost him much because for him it was a second job after his upholstery shop. So he has been sticking with that and I'm sure it's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 29, 2021:

@MyTVC15 I just got a phone call from the latest, in a series the last few years, new manager of the local bus company I used to work for. I quit and retired three years ago and they are so desperate that he called me to see if I was interested and eligible to come back and drive for them again. I told him I let my CDL expire and I have no interest in coming back, as I have heard from other drivers still working there how much the conditions have changed with Covid and how complicated the job is now. He thanked me for my time and I wished him luck, he's going to need it. He says I worked with him before I quit, but I don't remember him.

Terry was absolutely right

silverotter11 comments on Sep 28, 2021:

Satire is a fine art and from what I have seen few trump supporters/republicans understand satire.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 29, 2021:

They don't. They only understand bullying and cruelty. To them, cruelty is the whole point of their policies in the first place, except for the ones that are about greed.

Good Bye and Good Riddance: So if you’re angry, guess what?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 28, 2021:

I drove a school bus for several years before I retired. One guy quit last year because he is a right winger who didn't want to mask up for the job, but it really didn't cost him much because for him it was a second job after his upholstery shop. So he has been sticking with that and I'm sure it's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 29, 2021:

@MyTVC15 Iowa gave up contact tracing long ago, thanks to Reynolds. She has the same attitude as Trump, put business and profits ahead of lives and public health, and just let the virus spread thru everyone until we reach herd immunity, if ever, by the vast majority of people getting infected.

Good Bye and Good Riddance: So if you’re angry, guess what?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 28, 2021:

I drove a school bus for several years before I retired. One guy quit last year because he is a right winger who didn't want to mask up for the job, but it really didn't cost him much because for him it was a second job after his upholstery shop. So he has been sticking with that and I'm sure it's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 29, 2021:

@MyTVC15 The ones in Iowa don't, at least for now, thanks to our Repub guv, Covid Kim Reynolds. Most of the local school boards want to have mask mandates, but she issued a statewide order prohibiting that. So much for the old Repub policy of supporting local control, as it only applies, for them, when it suits their purpose and policy. That bitch is always saying, "I trust Iowans to do the right thing", but she won't honor that when it comes to school boards choosing to do the right thing, instead she says it must be up to the personal choice of parents, instead of allowing school boards to choose to order masks and protect all of the kids in their district. What a lying, hypocritical bitch! And the pity is that her latest poll numbers show she has approval ratings over 50% and will easily get relected in a year. Iowans are mostly stupid and this state has become North Mississippi.

Good Bye and Good Riddance: So if you’re angry, guess what?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 28, 2021:

I drove a school bus for several years before I retired. One guy quit last year because he is a right winger who didn't want to mask up for the job, but it really didn't cost him much because for him it was a second job after his upholstery shop. So he has been sticking with that and I'm sure it's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 29, 2021:

@MyTVC15 Sounds like hell. So glad I got out before Covid.

What will you do Lover Boy?

xenoview comments on Sep 28, 2021:

So she's not aloud male friends?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 28, 2021:

@xenoview The correct spelling is allowed. Glad I could help.

I just want to say, you wonderful people have given me so much wisdom and at times, good belly ...

PondartIncbendog comments on Sep 25, 2021:

I would appreciate it if you wouldn't laugh at my belly though.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 28, 2021:

Sounds like you resemble her remark.... BTW, I am serious and stop calling me Shirley, etc....

Marjorie Taylor Greene's 'good Christian' abortion meltdown

LucyLoohoo comments on Sep 27, 2021:

SIGH....will it ever change? I take comfort in statistics about declining numbers of Xtians. https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 28, 2021:

@LucyLoohoo We can always hope that....

To use the bible as a Christian's worst enemy.

phoenixone1 comments on Sep 27, 2021:

According to my CHEATING ASS ex wife...you're exempted from EVERYTHING...as long as you say "I'm sorry Jesus...I won't do it again"...except for the additional 5 times...BITCH😂

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 27, 2021:

Ah yes, the old "pray for forgiveness from Christ" loophole, which also seems to exempt them from actually seeking or doing anything to deserve forgiveness from the actual person they wronged,,,,

Marjorie Taylor Greene's 'good Christian' abortion meltdown

LucyLoohoo comments on Sep 27, 2021:

SIGH....will it ever change? I take comfort in statistics about declining numbers of Xtians. https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 27, 2021:

@rainmanjr Same as the Israeli settlers on the West Band. Same strategy, win with overwhelming numbers.

Marjorie Taylor Greene's 'good Christian' abortion meltdown

LucyLoohoo comments on Sep 27, 2021:

SIGH....will it ever change? I take comfort in statistics about declining numbers of Xtians. https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 27, 2021:

It ends up being a wash, because for every Christian that drops out of the fold, another replaces them, as they tend to breed in greater numbers than non-believers.

My neighbor died recently.

KKGator comments on Sep 26, 2021:

His wife is in denial. Not uncommon. No one here gets out alive. Some of us do things to hasten our exit.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 26, 2021:

"No one here gets out alive"- Jim Morrison and The Doors...

Just saw the new movie, The Eyes Of Tammy Faye, and I haven't laughed that much at a movie in quite ...

rainmanjr comments on Sep 26, 2021:

Good for you. They keep getting taken in but keep going back to the same well.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 26, 2021:

Yup, you can't fix stupid. They refuse to believe that prayer and following the orders of their leaders will fail to pay off for them. No difference whether it's Trump or some televangelist, it's the same kind of delusion and the same kind of con.

Last week, I was speaking with an old friend who lives in Los Angeles, and he told me he personally ...

Sticks48 comments on Sep 25, 2021:

I have lost two friends and an ex-brother in law. One friend early on because he did not wear a mask or social distance and the other two in the last couple of months. They refused to get vaccinated, both in their 50s.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 26, 2021:

Sorry for you they were so stubborn. Not really sorry for them.

A family member is gaslighting me, and it’s a fascinating psychological study when I can ...

racocn8 comments on Sep 25, 2021:

For some people, they spread BS or gas-lighting to create drama and chaos, which they actually enjoy. It may be a matter of being attention-starved, or trying to address their cognitive dissonance. Bullies like to bully and search for victims. It's a behavioral disorder that travels with malignant ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

What you are describing is very sick and dysfunctional, but way more common than most people think, or like to admit, esp. here in the Midwest, where people like to paper over conflict with fake politeness, deny family problems, and are too proud or embarrassed to get therapy when they should. I won't play along with, or put up with any of the bullshit.

Bill Maher: NFL’s move to play ‘black national anthem’ is ‘segregation’ | New York Post - ...

Sticks48 comments on Sep 25, 2021:

The national anthem is a bad song and should be done away with. America The Beautiful should be our anthem.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

@JonnaBononna Interesting, that's one verse that I never hear sung before sports events. Now I can see why...

Bill Maher: NFL’s move to play ‘black national anthem’ is ‘segregation’ | New York Post - ...

Sticks48 comments on Sep 25, 2021:

The national anthem is a bad song and should be done away with. America The Beautiful should be our anthem.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

Agree, and, probably the best version of it I've heard sung, ironically, is by Ray Charles. So maybe that version would satisfy most people, black and white.. I also agree that the current national anthem is not only a bad song musically, it glorifies war too much as well. The only problem I have with America The Beautiful, is the God language in it, but that's a small quibble.

Getting my 3rd covid shot tomorrow! excited

Sticks48 comments on Sep 24, 2021:

Got mine two weeks ago. I will get a fourth in a few months if they feel it is needed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

@Sticks48 I didn't think you had a compromised immune system, so I assume you are getting the booster due to your age.

Getting my 3rd covid shot tomorrow! excited

Sticks48 comments on Sep 24, 2021:

Got mine two weeks ago. I will get a fourth in a few months if they feel it is needed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

@Sticks48 Thanks. I don't have a compromised immune system and am only 63, but I do have my heart condition, so that is why I am seeking advice on whether to get a booster.

Getting my 3rd covid shot tomorrow! excited

Sticks48 comments on Sep 24, 2021:

Got mine two weeks ago. I will get a fourth in a few months if they feel it is needed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 25, 2021:

Larry- I had the Moderna for my first two. Has that been approved yet for booster shots? If so, I would be due in mid Dec. for a third. I will probably get one then if my primary doc and cardiologist recommend it.

Real

onthefire comments on Sep 24, 2021:

My best friend ghosted me. How he didn't catch on earlier is beyond me. He'll get over it or he won't.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 24, 2021:

Exactly. You need to be able to let them go and move on if they are not able to accept and respect you.

I think this says it all

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 20, 2021:

I can't imagine what it's like these days treating these idiots for Covid and knowing how preventable and voluntary their illness is. Esp. if they have to continue to listen to their bullshit and denial about the virus. I don't know how docs and nurses can stand it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 24, 2021:

@bobwjr I may need an open heart surgery next year to repair two aortic aneuryisms, but I doubt that is elective surgery. I don't know what the Covid situation will be like by then.

We are in zoom and Lisa wanted me to post this song so more can listen to it. [youtu.be]

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 23, 2021:

Sorry man, I hate country music with a passion, even tho I am a lifelong Iowan. Just lucky, I guess...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 23, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch Well, most likely they would be countrypokes who, unlike me, think Applebees is fancy. I don't. I guess I am a proud snob and city slicker, and I really don't give a fuck what they think of me. I see them as rubes, hicks, and countrypokes. We get along fine as long as they stay the fuck away from me and vice versa. And they can also keep their stupid ass country songs away from me as well. I won't listen to it in the car or the house, as I get subjected to more than enough of it at the grocery store here and at karaoke.

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

dalefvictor comments on Sep 22, 2021:

I was talking with Kate the other day. She said I could get a girl friend. She had to meet with her approval though. She had to be able to do dishes, cook, clean, clean the windows, vacuum, assist her in her appointments and anything else she could think of. I put this out there because every time I...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 23, 2021:

@dalefvictor It is a good one..

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 22, 2021:

Looks like you either embarrassed him into deleting his posts or else he blocked me. No matter either way.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 23, 2021:

@Secretguy Looks like he deleted that one as well, or else he blocked me.

Hi Everyone.

racocn8 comments on Sep 22, 2021:

You don't consider the political differences to be a red flag?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 23, 2021:

@sassygirl3869 A wise move and it may allow the relationship to work, hope it does.

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 22, 2021:

Looks like you either embarrassed him into deleting his posts or else he blocked me. No matter either way.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@Secretguy What is milf?

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

dalefvictor comments on Sep 22, 2021:

I was talking with Kate the other day. She said I could get a girl friend. She had to meet with her approval though. She had to be able to do dishes, cook, clean, clean the windows, vacuum, assist her in her appointments and anything else she could think of. I put this out there because every time I...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@dalefvictor Good luck, sounds like you will need it.

This is known as one of medicine’s most incredible moments.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 22, 2021:

In this case, what the vaccine had on its side is that it was already clear these kids were dying and there was no other hope, so trying the vaccine had no risk or downside. With the Covid vaccine, the opponents still have their arguments that death is not certain with Covid, at least in most cases,...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@Silver1wun A technicality. I am saying the medical situations are different in the circumstances, not saying the medicines are at all the same.

Hi Everyone.

racocn8 comments on Sep 22, 2021:

You don't consider the political differences to be a red flag?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

Political differences are not always a dealbreaker, but they usually are. The only ways it works is if either both people agree to keep politics off the table and off limits for discussion, or if one or both of the parties don't care that much about politics in the first place, even if they have a differing viewpoint.

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

dalefvictor comments on Sep 22, 2021:

I was talking with Kate the other day. She said I could get a girl friend. She had to meet with her approval though. She had to be able to do dishes, cook, clean, clean the windows, vacuum, assist her in her appointments and anything else she could think of. I put this out there because every time I...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

Sounds like you should just hire a maid or housekeeper, if you two can afford it...

I decided to browse through the singles group and noticed many of our pictures are in there several ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Jul 5, 2021:

I agree with your point. I think that nowadays the site has way fewer active members than a year or more ago, and that the admin. has flown the coop. We no longer get emails from the site with alerts for new posts for groups we are in or responses to our comments and posts. So it appears the site is...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@Kafirah Your suggestion is good, Kafirah, but it's also very likely that Lucifer has blocked him, so there is no way for him to message her or even reach her profile. I had that happen a long time ago with ProudMerrie, who not only booted me out of her Online Dating group here, but also blocked me. So there was no way for me to ask to be allowed back in the group. She did eventually allow me back in, or maybe someone else did, that took over moderating the group after she left Agnostic. But her personal block on me here on Agnostic remains.

New Hampshire Now Least Religious State in U.S.

p-nullifidian comments on Sep 22, 2021:

Being free of religion fits nicely with the State motto of Live Free or Die! 😉

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@MyTVC15 I actually hate most Libertarians more than I do conservatives, because they are, in some ways, even more selfish. They want to have all the freedoms and liberties, but they don't want to ante up or pay for any of it. I find it to be the most immature and selfish of all political viewpoints on the spectrum. At least many conservatives do believe in paying at least something for the common good. The downside is that many conservatives, esp. the religious ones, also believe in suppressing dissent from the establishment and in discriminating against minorities as well as oppressing women.

New Hampshire Now Least Religious State in U.S.

p-nullifidian comments on Sep 22, 2021:

Being free of religion fits nicely with the State motto of Live Free or Die! 😉

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@MyTVC15 You're right. As Agnostic.com itself has often proven, lack of religion doesn't always translate to liberal politics, as we have many conservative atheists here. So conservatism is still very popular in NH and has always been, even without religious belief. Conservatism is based on more than that in a lot of cases, such as greed, selfishness, or a lack of empathy or compassion for those worse off or for strangers as a whole. I have also heard that NH has a longstanding view of supporting limited government, which is also a big part of conservative beliefs, except for the hypocrisy of supporting restrictions on abortion, etc. where conservatives are all for government action that suits their purposes. Libertarians also support only very limited government, but they also hypocritically are glad to use public roads, fire services, Medicare, etc.

Finally, the truth eeks out - It was in the wild experimentation with good intent.

The-Krzyz comments on Sep 22, 2021:

Bat Cave?! Cleavage?! You have my attention.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

We males can be such simple-minded creatures....

I want a good woman to take care of me. Oh wait...that's someone else's schtick. LOL

skado comments on Sep 21, 2021:

I’m thinking of settling for a bad woman to take care of me! 🤣🤣

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

I have never done a one-night stand, but I am getting to the point where I might settle for one with a bad woman, as long as I found her to be pretty hot-looking. But only as long as she'd leave in the morning....

Hi Everyone!!!! I want to apologize to my Zoom Chat friends for forgetting about Sunday night.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 20, 2021:

I wish you the best. In my experience with online dating these last few years, it seems like the vast majority of women in my dating pool are really busy, either with work, their family, or both. So I often wonder why they are on a site like Batch, if it appears they only have time and interest for ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 22, 2021:

@sassygirl3869 In my experience on Batch, people who know who they are, what they want, and are ready to commit when the right person comes along, are very few and far between. Another reason that I wish dating sites would require proof of recent therapy for membership. The woman I have been seeing steady for a few months now is a great friend, has lots in common with me, and is very cool, as well as attractive, but I have been holding back from becoming sexual with her, or committing to an exclusive relationship, because she seems to have regular drama or crisis in her life, even tho it's usually not her fault or in her control. She seems to really have bad luck on a regular basis. And after losing three loved ones in the last ten years, as well as my late wife's dementia experience, I am just not that interested in getting serious with someone who would involve that much regular drama, struggle, and work in supporting her thru it all. I went thru several years of that with my late wife, and I would like a break of at least several years with someone where things were not so challenging most of the time. Maybe I am being selfish or too much of a wimp, tho. I would ideally like to date someone financially secure, like me, already retired, like me, and in fair to reasonably good health. And she is none of those, along with having an adult daughter who has lots of issues and problems that lives with her and will probably do so for a very long time.

Riddle me this, republicans

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 20, 2021:

Pro-life in name only and only up to birth. They also support the death penalty, so much for consistency.. It's more accurate to say they worship and support the fetus and the womb, nothing else or beyond that.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 21, 2021:

@TheoryNumber3 Thanks. That would be accurate for their version of pro-life.

Riddle me this, republicans

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 20, 2021:

Pro-life in name only and only up to birth. They also support the death penalty, so much for consistency.. It's more accurate to say they worship and support the fetus and the womb, nothing else or beyond that.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 20, 2021:

@TheoryNumber3 I'll have to hear about it from you. I have had Bar Joe blocked for a while now.

Hi Everyone!!!! I want to apologize to my Zoom Chat friends for forgetting about Sunday night.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 20, 2021:

I wish you the best. In my experience with online dating these last few years, it seems like the vast majority of women in my dating pool are really busy, either with work, their family, or both. So I often wonder why they are on a site like Batch, if it appears they only have time and interest for ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 20, 2021:

@sassygirl3869 I think you and I are fairly exceptional in the dating market, in both that we are not religious or very family-oriented, as well as that we actually are ready and willing to make a relationship with a partner the center of our lives, which it seems like few people on dating sites are willing and able to do, despite the money they pay to be on the sites. What a waste of time and money, at least in my mind, for them to be on there. I think most of them have never really thought thru what they are doing or not doing that stands in the way of them finding a partner and relationship that works.

How important is philosophy to you?

Organist1 comments on Sep 20, 2021:

For me it is as important as someone else's opinion, which I assign importance to, depending on how much sense it makes to me. That said, I am a whole lot more attracted to science.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 20, 2021:

Well said.

Campus Preacher Provokes Fight After Carrying “Women Belong in the Kitchen” Sign | Hemant Mehta ...

CuddyCruiser comments on Sep 19, 2021:

I would just love to take all these preachers and break all of them into a million little pieces.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 19, 2021:

@CuddyCruiser Understood and I generally agree with you.

Campus Preacher Provokes Fight After Carrying “Women Belong in the Kitchen” Sign | Hemant Mehta ...

CuddyCruiser comments on Sep 19, 2021:

I would just love to take all these preachers and break all of them into a million little pieces.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 19, 2021:

Now, now, just remember my comment below. Depending on your outlook, as an amused cynic, they can be quite entertaining, at least some of them are to me. It depends, I guess, on how much they are taken seriously and end up shaping other people's minds, opinions, and beliefs. I honestly think that, even to some believers, these preachers function more as entertainers than real educators or leaders. Now I admit that, this guy in the article, with the chauvinism and misogyny, is probably more of an asshole than, say, someone like Jed, so I can see why you hate him so.

Saw a profile in which the guy would have seemed reasonable, except he used this kind of language: ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 18, 2021:

This is someone who obviously prefers communicating in text speak, instead of actually using full words, correct spelling and full sentences. Probably not very deep intellectually, probably also a short attention span and rather lazy, since the profile is really short. Too lazy to write a full one ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 19, 2021:

@Pralina1 Part of it is that you are much younger than me, so you are more into the texting method of communicating. Another part is that I am not busy, like you are. I am retired and enjoy having lots of free time, for the most part. So we live in very different realities. My reality causes me to enjoy and value the time I can take in communicating with others thru verbal phone calls and not being pressed for time, at least not on my end. You are obviously very bright, and not just on medical things, so you are being modest here about yourself. Because you are busy, brevity is your first priority in how you communicate, because time is not an issue for me, clarity of communication is my first priority, as well as depth, so my preference is for verbal communication with speaking in full sentences and full words. We are all lazy, at least on some things. As to your ?, I am doing ok. I just got back from a trip to Kansas City. I went with a friend and visited a friend while there and went to the zoo. It was a tiring weekend so far. I hope your job is not as exhausting these days. My paid membership on Match ended Friday and I will renew it again on Mon.. I am expecting that this fall and winter will be emotionally challenging, as Covid will make my life less social and active once the weather gets colder next month and there are not as many safe social and entertainment activities available for the fall and winter.

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KKGator comments on Sep 16, 2021:

Well, in my experience, people who believe in science tend to be smarter than those who still believe that their invisible friend will protect them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

@KKGator I understand that, and of course, that lowers my odds and shrinks my local dating pool for my age group. But, at the same time, it is reasonable to assume that most or even the vast majority of the women who join a dating site like Batch (esp. the ones who pay for a membership) ARE looking for a man and an actual relationship, with, of course, the occasional exceptions who are just looking for hookups, are still secretly married and looking to cheat, looking only for the ego boost of male attention, and then, finally, the women who are too insecure to actually date and are using the dating site only to find text buddies. I honestly, even after being on Batch for close to four years now, have no idea what % these women on there who are not actually seeking a real relationship amount to out of the total active membership, but I am guessing it amounts to at least 5-10%, based on all of the weird behavior and games I have encountered on there with women who did begin messaging with me. And as far as women giving up or no longer looking for a man or a relationship, among women in their mid-50s or older, both my therapist and surveys I have read about, have borne that out. The surveys say that a huge % of women have checked out on that, maybe a third or more.

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BDair comments on Sep 16, 2021:

Well, even atheists are sheep sometimes.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

Boy are you right about that, and I used to meet lots of them at the local Unitarian church. They were totally into voting Blue No Matter Who and faithful supporters of greedy capitalism, as it seemed to be benefitting most of them, but even the ones that weren't benefitting didn't seem to give a damn about the poor or the working class, just cared about identity politics. As long as you were college educated and and had a white collar job, they accepted you, but if you didn't, they shunned you like trash, and yet still thought of themselves as caring liberals, etc. And they had no stomach for socialism, The Green Party, or even Bernie Sanders, so yes, they were establishment Dem sheeple.

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KKGator comments on Sep 16, 2021:

Well, in my experience, people who believe in science tend to be smarter than those who still believe that their invisible friend will protect them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

@KKGator Thanks for the support, but I doubt it will. The believers are big on family and, probably for reasons of their own insecurity, even most of the non-religious women in my dating pool on Batch seem to want only men with kids. This is true of both the ones with kids and and the ones without kids. My theory, as I have stated before on here, is that they are trying to hedge their bets and find a man whose kids will look after, comfort, and maybe take care of them when the woman gets older and likely ends up widowed after the man dies first. My guess is these women either don't think their own kids will step up and do that for them, or, if they don't have kids themselves, they assume the man's kids will step up for them. When you really think about it, how much difference is there between this attitude on the part of 60-something women, and the men who are looking for a nurse with a purse, or at least a nurse, to take care of them in old age? The only diff that I see is that the women are looking for it later on in the game, while the men are looking for it earlier in the process or even right now. So the only diff is in the timing, either way it seems to be about using someone or, in this case, their adult kids....

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KKGator comments on Sep 16, 2021:

Well, in my experience, people who believe in science tend to be smarter than those who still believe that their invisible friend will protect them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

@KKGator I'm as guilty as any other non-believers, as I chose to not have kids. And boy do I seem to keep paying for it, esp. with all the believer women in my local dating pool. They about all seem to only want to date men with kids, even tho at my age that should be pretty irrelevant, but it sure isn't to them.

Relationship counseling

Deb57 comments on Sep 15, 2021:

Perhaps it depends on the problem. There are some things counseling cannot fix. I once had a counselor tell me that I should be glad I had a husband because it was so much better than just being alone. Worst advice ever.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

@Deb57 That is even more messed up, shows that some women can be just as misogynistic as men. So much for sisterhood. She must have drank the whole patriarchy Kool-Aid.

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KKGator comments on Sep 16, 2021:

Well, in my experience, people who believe in science tend to be smarter than those who still believe that their invisible friend will protect them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2021:

No shit. Hopefully after Covid resolves in the US, if it ever does, there will be a greater proportion of us left alive than them. It would probably improve our politics, except that they tend to breed in greater numbers than us, so that will probably keep things fairly status quo.

Are vaccination passports and putting unvaccinated Covid patients to the bottom of the triage queue ...

bookofmorons comments on Sep 15, 2021:

totally dont get excusing some one for "deeply held religious beliefs" - I mean this is the 21st century

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

@rainmanjr Then I'm all for helping them meet Jesus as soon as possible, in their minds, as long as the rest of us are allowed to live a normal lifespan.

Are vaccination passports and putting unvaccinated Covid patients to the bottom of the triage queue ...

SeaGreenEyez comments on Sep 15, 2021:

I feel more extreme than simply putting them to the bottom of the queue. If they refuse to vaccinate, they need to stay the fuck home if/when they feel sick. If someone doesn't trust the vaccine, they aren't entitled to professional health care providers should they become ill. PERIOD. They ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

@SnowyOwl As someone once sarcastically said to me, "You're all heart".....

Are vaccination passports and putting unvaccinated Covid patients to the bottom of the triage queue ...

SeaGreenEyez comments on Sep 15, 2021:

I feel more extreme than simply putting them to the bottom of the queue. If they refuse to vaccinate, they need to stay the fuck home if/when they feel sick. If someone doesn't trust the vaccine, they aren't entitled to professional health care providers should they become ill. PERIOD. They ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

@racocn8, @echosam Ah, the Libertarians begin to weigh in.. I knew it would be just a matter of time.... This is directed at echosam, BTW....

Are vaccination passports and putting unvaccinated Covid patients to the bottom of the triage queue ...

SeaGreenEyez comments on Sep 15, 2021:

I feel more extreme than simply putting them to the bottom of the queue. If they refuse to vaccinate, they need to stay the fuck home if/when they feel sick. If someone doesn't trust the vaccine, they aren't entitled to professional health care providers should they become ill. PERIOD. They ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

@racocn8 Them and the Christian Scientists as well, I suppose.

How to care for your human

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 15, 2021:

I've always suspected they were plotting world domination..

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

@Deb57 I've seen the photo of Renfield. There's no doubt that he is..

Billboard Hailing Donald Trump As Second Coming of Jesus Appears in Georgia

LenHazell53 comments on Sep 15, 2021:

yeah he is a total "cult", but bare in mind I am dyslexic and can't spell total bunt

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

If there were ever a man who deserved to be called the c-word, one that I choose not to ever use in personal conversation, it would be Trump...

Relationship counseling

Deb57 comments on Sep 15, 2021:

Perhaps it depends on the problem. There are some things counseling cannot fix. I once had a counselor tell me that I should be glad I had a husband because it was so much better than just being alone. Worst advice ever.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

That advice is not only supporting dysfunction, but also seems very misogynistic and patriarchal. Was this counsellor a woman or a man? Their advice also seems to be rooted in the 1950s mindset, altho I'm sure it occurred way later than that.

Think George is trying to say something

Levelheaded comments on Sep 15, 2021:

It would still make me want to vomit to have any of those symbols on a shirt

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

Good point. I would not want to publicize any of those hateful symbols, altho I do have a T-shirt that does have the pink triangle on it in memory of the Jewish Holocaust victims.

I agree with most of these-how about you all??

racocn8 comments on Sep 14, 2021:

Being kind to those who are unkind only works as a defensive strategy. It opposes ones sense of fairness and justice.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

True. It irks me too much to do it. And besides, I love to confront the arrogant and cruel. It helps remind them that not everyone is a doormat or in agreement with them.

Notorious antimasker dies of covid

Beowulfsfriend comments on Sep 14, 2021:

The wicked witch of Chicago. I just had an idea - start a group that, like the fuckwads from West Baptist church, go to Covid deniers funerals and put up signs, "Darwin wins dumbasses."

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

Speaking of Chicago, I sure wish that prick Rahm Emanuel would die of Covid, or anything else. Isn't he going to get an ambassadorship from Biden?

Well, maybe Covid is getting worse again than I thought in my area, or maybe it's just that idiocy ...

Organist1 comments on Sep 14, 2021:

Wow...people are hoarding again. I hadn't noticed, since I order my groceries online, and pick them up outside the store. Not good.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 15, 2021:

It means the stupid and crazy are accelerating again.

Antifa.

Leetx comments on Sep 14, 2021:

I am glad you support my Aunt Tifa, Don't know how you know her but, she is nice and makes good cookies

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2021:

Always a professional smartass in every crowd. You are a master at it, sir...

A Vaccine Or This Marriage: Conspiracy Theories Are Tearing Couples Apart | HuffPost

anglophone comments on Sep 14, 2021:

The assholes who spread the misinformation of conspiracy theories and exploit the gullibility of the ill-informed are a menace to society. I note that there is at least one such person on this site, and I regard @Admin as being asleep at the wheel when it comes to discharging his obligations to ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2021:

I think we all know who you are referring to and, yes, there is no admin. policing that, but I think it is more a matter of them being absent rather than choosing to just let this member spread his lies about Covid.

That’s deep.

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 14, 2021:

Well. If my last thing said to some people had been "Eat shit and die!" That would make me feel very satisfied. And I'd always wonder if they actually did.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2021:

Same here. I do enjoy having the last word with people I am arguing with and people I hate, I would probably want to say the same thing to them as you do. With people I like or love, hopefully my last words will be positive.

A Vaccine Or This Marriage: Conspiracy Theories Are Tearing Couples Apart | HuffPost

Sticks48 comments on Sep 13, 2021:

Never marry the stupid. Eventually, it will bite you in the ass.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2021:

So true, but sometimes people do, esp. if the stupid is also hot-looking at the time they marry them.

America's medical system cannot function normally with the burden of the anti-vaxxer campaign of ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 13, 2021:

The second option in the poll is not really relevant, as we have had a tiered health care system for decades, where there is one tier for the uninsured and poor, another for the insured who are in the middle classes, and then finally a top tier for the rich. So the idea of discriminating against the...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2021:

@domos You are not being alarmist to fear that the far right is the American version of the Taliban and they are serious about using violent force to achieve a theocracy here in America, since they know they can't win it thru elections. What you are seeing shows why governments in Cuba and Russia, much as they abused their power against dissidents there and curtailed freedoms to prevent opposition, were as repressive as they were, because in both cases they fought bloody revolutions to get power, and they were damned well not going to just let their opponents win it back with their own insanity and manipulations of the gullible masses.

America's medical system cannot function normally with the burden of the anti-vaxxer campaign of ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 13, 2021:

The second option in the poll is not really relevant, as we have had a tiered health care system for decades, where there is one tier for the uninsured and poor, another for the insured who are in the middle classes, and then finally a top tier for the rich. So the idea of discriminating against the...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2021:

@domos I guess you're right about me. I felt torn between whether to choose the third or fourth option. As a collective group, the anti-vaxers caused this man to die prematurely and unneccessarily far away from his family. They should all be ashamed of themselves, but they never will. To them, it's all about being a selfish individual and you have no responsibility to society or strangers, yet they are quick to demand help from strangers and society once they need it. They have the immature attitude of small children, bratty spoiled ones.

(_ucker KKKarlson is such a POS.

BitFlipper comments on Sep 13, 2021:

Didn't everybody already know this?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2021:

I have always known this about conservatives in general. They have no empathy for those less well off or less powerful than them, all they do is punch down, as they hate those who they see as inferior to them, who they also see as a drain on society, their own wealth, and in the way of them becoming more powerful or rich. Unless those folks they see as their lessers serve a purpose for them, such as picking their cotton, so to speak, or working as their personal servants, they would just as soon that these people, once they are no longer useful to them, just go die quietly in the gutter.

@administration I can not join or reply to Progressives socialists &Black Lives Matter group.

Mooolah comments on Sep 10, 2021:

Hello? Anyone out there?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2021:

I think we are on our own now.

The Young Turks - Fox Guest Complains: We Have To Pay A Living Wage Now! [youtube.com]

Charlene comments on Sep 12, 2021:

Fuck these pricks..pay people enough to live and not just survive..

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 12, 2021:

The thing is, without socialism, very few of these business owners are willing to pay their workers adequately. They feel that capitalism entitles them to be as greedy as they like. You cannot simply depend on capitalists to do the right and fair thing. The government, as it does under socialism, has to be there to force all of them to do the right thing by their workers.

Relationship counseling

Emerald comments on Sep 11, 2021:

If both parties have the goal of fixing what's wrong and building a better relationship, it's a good thing. Unfortunately in a lot of cases one person has already checked out and the other is basically beating a dead horse. But even in those cases there is much that can be learned.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2021:

I have talked to many divorced people over the years, and in most cases, it appears that marriage counseling, if it happened at all for them, usually came too late, just as you stated, where one party already wanted out, and the other party was either still in denial or else was wanting the marriage to continue no matter what. But you are also right in that in many cases, the party who was wanting to hang on no matter what did benefit some from the counseling, if nothing else from moving out of their denial and becoming motivated to finally move on and maybe also begin to gain some insight into their own role in the marriage failing. While relationships between adults and their kids are a whole other ball of wax, I do believe that adult relationships between couples are never entirely 100% the fault of just one person. It takes two to tango, as they say, and that in those relationships there is always at least some sharing of the blame when relationships fail. I know that many people may feel differently, maybe due to their own pride or their very strong remaining hate of the other person, but I have yet to meet a therapist that disagrees with this proposition, based on their experiences working with real people and hearing the stories of how relationships fail.

Even on their death beds, some COVID-19 patients in Idaho still reject vaccination ...

zeuser comments on Sep 11, 2021:

I'm just angry at these assholes now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2021:

@anglophone That's my beef, that they get in the way of treatment for other people who are more deserving of the help and the hospital bed, at least in my mind. They already made their choice to risk a very preventable illness.

Even on their death beds, some COVID-19 patients in Idaho still reject vaccination ...

DenoPenno comments on Sep 11, 2021:

I agree with Tom, but dying is no time to be vaccinated.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2021:

@anglophone Either way, doesn't matter.

Even on their death beds, some COVID-19 patients in Idaho still reject vaccination ...

DenoPenno comments on Sep 11, 2021:

I agree with Tom, but dying is no time to be vaccinated.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2021:

Agreed. It's too fucking late by the time they get to the hospital.

Relationship counseling

Emerald comments on Sep 11, 2021:

If both parties have the goal of fixing what's wrong and building a better relationship, it's a good thing. Unfortunately in a lot of cases one person has already checked out and the other is basically beating a dead horse. But even in those cases there is much that can be learned.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2021:

Well said. In my opinion, everybody who goes thru a divorce should get therapy of some type, both during and after the divorce. I run across so many divorced women in my online dating experiences that appear to have never gotten any therapy regarding their divorce, and it really makes a difference, I think, in their attitudes towards men, future relationships and dating in general. I think that's why the divorced women I meet tend to be so much more bitter and negative towards men compared to the few widowed women I have met from dating sites. I'm not saying that therapy always works, or that some people who get divorced don't move on or end up emotionally healthy without therapy, but I think it usually makes a big and positive difference compared to those who don't take advantage of it. Like you said, it only works if you really want it to and invest yourself in it. What I see with so many women in the online dating thing with divorced women, is that they attend a divorce support group, or attend classes for divorced people, that are not run by a trained therapist. And these are no substitute for therapy with a licensed professional. Same as when they get counselling from a clergy person for their divorce. But that is what most people seem to settle for and it is not adequate, in my observation. Esp. the support groups and classes, because in those settings it is likely that the experience just reinforces or encourages an attitude of blaming the other spouse and resenting the other gender, joining the bandwagon attitude, from what I have heard from people who have attended them. If I had my way, everybody who uses dating sites would have to provide proof of recent therapy to be able to join one, lol.

Valor Christian High School Colorado, Certainly lives up to its name Very Christian indeed ...

Charles1971 comments on Sep 10, 2021:

Homosexuality is never mentioned by Jesus and only eluded to in the bible yet Christians love to bully, oppress, and discriminate against gays. Meanwhile, Jesus and the bible mention divorce multiple times and states that its basically adultery (which is one of the ten commandments) yet ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

Neither is abortion, mentioned, but it doesn't stop the Bible thumpers from trying to impose their theocracy on us on that issue either. They have more in common with the Taliban than with patriotism for America, but they will never see it, much less admit it.

Hi everyone.

nicknotes comments on Sep 5, 2021:

If you are pregnant you might feel differently.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

@Ello You do have a point there. Our society seems to fail miserably in teaching men not to rape women or to not have unprotected sex, so that sort of puts most of the burden for unwanted pregnancies on women, don't you think? So if that is the case, don't you think the law should side more with women than with men on who controls the decision-making on whether to abort the pregnancy or give birth, esp. since men can't get pregnant and the woman is the one who has to endure nine months of pregnancy and the birth? Lastly, I will finally feel like giving respect and take seriously the anti-abortion folks on being sincerely pro-life once and only after they show me they actually are consistent and pro-life in the rest of their social and political policies, such as the death penalty, support for child care, public education, anti-poverty programs, etc. Until then, they are, to me, nothing but hypocrites who worship the womb and care only about controlling women and pushing their theocratic ambitions on the rest of society. So until then, they and I have nothing to talk about regarding abortion and they and I can talk after they change their hypocritical policies on life after birth. Until then, they should shut up and fuck off, esp. the men in their tribe.

In the Middle of the Great Resignation, Employers Are Rejecting Millions of Qualified Workers, New ...

Buttercup comments on Sep 10, 2021:

It's kind of ridiculous to consider workers as a "resource" and also expect them to have a positive view of your company. Companies that share the wealth and have humane expectations are thriving, Costco and Rei come to mind.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

@CuddyCruiser So true. I hated most of the jobs I had while I was working, so I was always eager to retire once I inherited enough money to afford to retire, which I did three years ago. So I don't relate that well to people who refuse to retire and want to work until their health gives out, even tho they can afford to retire. I respect their choice, but it's not for people like me. I enjoy the freedom of never having to work, answer to other people like bosses or co-workers, make my own schedule, not have to deal with work politics, etc. In my experience, those who truly like their jobs are a minority in America, same as the line from Office Space uttered by the Jennifer Aniston character, that most people hate their jobs. To me, it seems like a lot of those that do like their jobs are very smug and judgmental of the rest of us that don't.. Besides work, or the lack of it, the other few things that can make life very unpleasant are poor health, poverty, or being in a terrible primary relationship, whether that is marriage or any LTR with a partner.

In the Middle of the Great Resignation, Employers Are Rejecting Millions of Qualified Workers, New ...

Buttercup comments on Sep 10, 2021:

It's kind of ridiculous to consider workers as a "resource" and also expect them to have a positive view of your company. Companies that share the wealth and have humane expectations are thriving, Costco and Rei come to mind.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

@Holysocks No shit. Employers who really care about getting quality workers will be willing to go back to putting up Help Wanted signs, and actually talking to those who apply in person, instead of doing it all online. Time for them to experience some of the inconvenience they put us workers thru all those years when they held all the cards.

In the Middle of the Great Resignation, Employers Are Rejecting Millions of Qualified Workers, New ...

Buttercup comments on Sep 10, 2021:

It's kind of ridiculous to consider workers as a "resource" and also expect them to have a positive view of your company. Companies that share the wealth and have humane expectations are thriving, Costco and Rei come to mind.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

A friend of mine who is in his 60s and coasting towards retirement works for REI in Iowa and really likes that job.

In the Middle of the Great Resignation, Employers Are Rejecting Millions of Qualified Workers, New ...

snytiger6 comments on Sep 10, 2021:

And conservatives were blaming the job seekers, when it turns out that employers are at fault for not beign able to fill positions.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

Of course, and do you notice how the media coverage only includes input from employers and economists who are business-friendly, never any interviews with union reps or workers themselves? The only media coverage I ever see that puts any blame on the employers are ones like this, where it is based on academic research, rather than corporate media reporting, which is all biased towards business and employers, who are their advertisers, and share their corporate-friendly perspective, rather than those of workers and unions.

At last they never deserved to be there

mischl comments on Sep 9, 2021:

Trump furthered the whole notion of nepotism.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

Nepotism, incest, as long as it's all in the family.... (sarcasm).

At last they never deserved to be there

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 9, 2021:

If only Biden would get rid of De Joy and restore the postal service. Won't hold my breath on that one...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch It will only get worse, and they people I really fear for are rural Americans depending on the postal service for their meds..

At last they never deserved to be there

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 9, 2021:

If only Biden would get rid of De Joy and restore the postal service. Won't hold my breath on that one...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch I hope you are wrong about that, but if you are right, that may be part of why Biden will not go to the mat for it. Believe me tho, people will care, if it gets privatized and we all get monthly bills in the future from Fed Ex and UPS for our delivered mail, as well as people in remote rural areas who those two companies will refuse to deliver to, forcing them to come into town to pick up any mail.

At last they never deserved to be there

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 9, 2021:

If only Biden would get rid of De Joy and restore the postal service. Won't hold my breath on that one...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch I stamp several bill payments each month. I admit I don't send paper letters anymore, but there are many other people besides me who really want the postal service to be saved, mostly Dems, and we were counting on or urging Biden to save the postal service when he was running for prez, and I believe he did say he would do so, but it's just another lie from him about his campaign promises, including a $15/hr. living wage.

Anti abortion is anti equality.

Druvius comments on Sep 9, 2021:

The anti-choice crowd has never been about preventing abortions, if they were they'd be pro sex education and pro birth control. They are about forcing women to obey their sick interpretation of Biblical morality where women are simply breeding stock controlled by men.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

It's been clear for generations that women can never have social equality with men unless they have absolute control over their own reproduction choices.

Anti abortion is anti equality.

Fernapple comments on Sep 9, 2021:

Yes obviously, no disagreement for this man. But then I don't live in Texas or suffer from Texan culture.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@Deb57 I often think the same things, Deb, glad that I didn't reproduce and that the sweet embrace of death awaits me possibly before things turn completely to shit.

At last they never deserved to be there

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 9, 2021:

If only Biden would get rid of De Joy and restore the postal service. Won't hold my breath on that one...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch he could fire members of the board for just cause, regarding the destruction of equipment, among other things, that happened under De Joy. You are being naive about Biden and I am not going to debate this further with you.

At last they never deserved to be there

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 9, 2021:

If only Biden would get rid of De Joy and restore the postal service. Won't hold my breath on that one...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch He can and could make it happen, thru the postal Board Of Governors, but he is just as much in favor of privatizing it as Trump was, so he won't do anything. Privatization of the postal service is a bipartisan goal that has been in motion for over a decade.

Taliban Parade Shows-Off Plundered U.S. Weapons of War | NewsMo - YouTube

creative51 comments on Sep 7, 2021:

They would have never gotten the military hardware and equipment if we had never invaded in the first place. We were WRONG to have ever gone in.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2021:

@WilliamCharles I guess I wouldn't feel that way to hear that, as nowadays little surprises me when it comes to the arrogance of the warmongers.

Mom Beats Up Catholic Preschool Teacher After Seeing Her Son Physically Abused | Hemant Mehta | ...

Beowulfsfriend comments on Sep 8, 2021:

I understand her actions. I can't say it was the best choice of action; yet, when my kids were younger, I strongly believe I may have killed such a person. The woman needs to sue the school, as well, for their harboring such an individual - things like that are seldom first happenings. I can ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@Beowulfsfriend She obviously loved her power trips and playing games with other. Glad you had the balls and smarts to see she was blowing you off on the appt. and walked in to confront her. I love confrontation when I am in equal or greater power than my opponent, and live for it, unlike most other Midwestern people, who don't do conflict and run away from it. I have suffered a lot of flack and ostracism for it from my fellow Midwesterners, but I don't give a damn, as someone has got to do it and buck the cultural mainstream, otherwise problems with organizations never get dealt with in this part of the country, so I will take the heat. I am proud to have more guts than most Midwesterners and to also be more honest and morally superior, in my eyes.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 8, 2021:

Maybe the question should be "Why do people sometimes stay in a low paying job?" One of the jobs I have held is an overnight manager of a stock crew in a train track town in GA. If you show people that you see and appreciate that they are putting in an effort and praise them openly? I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch Suit yourself. I have not found the effort to be worth it, so I will stick to my tribe culturally and socially, yet continue to advocate politically for multiculturalism and equality. I've debated you enough. I am a cultural and music snob and proud of it. If you choose to be different than that, fine for you, but you will not change my mind or browbeat me into apologizing for my choices and preferences.

Men, it's not that hard.

lerlo comments on Sep 7, 2021:

For the sake of argument, and I've mentioned it before to the delight (not) of many. What if we had consensual sex, and both being adults and understanding the possible outcomes, she gets pregnant and I want my kid? The kid doesn't exist without my half and I can't have a kid any other way. If she...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@lerlo You are being unbelieveably legalistic here.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 8, 2021:

Maybe the question should be "Why do people sometimes stay in a low paying job?" One of the jobs I have held is an overnight manager of a stock crew in a train track town in GA. If you show people that you see and appreciate that they are putting in an effort and praise them openly? I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch We differ on that first point, but on the second one, I agree, I have met both good people and jerks, wherever I have lived, whether rural towns, college towns or the Des Moines area. I guess what makes a town a hellhole to me, is when there is little diversity, few college-educated people, lots of narrow-mindedness, and a very boring lack of arts, entertainment (besides country music), lots of churches, and very conservative politics being the norm. I would almost rather do prison time than live in such a stifling, empty environment. To people like me, both environments would be equally damaging to my mental health. And that is also why, in my experience, most people like me, as well as probably most of us here on Agnostic, cope with living in places like that with lots of self-medication, thru either street drugs or alcohol, as well as making road trips as often as possible to places that are more stimulating and comfortable.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 8, 2021:

Maybe the question should be "Why do people sometimes stay in a low paying job?" One of the jobs I have held is an overnight manager of a stock crew in a train track town in GA. If you show people that you see and appreciate that they are putting in an effort and praise them openly? I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch Yup, that explains a lot. I grew up in a town where the major employer was a meatpacking plant. And nowadays, it still is. So most people who lived there and didn't move there from somewhere else for one of the few good jobs there, would put up with just about any other job to stay out of the packing plant. That sort of town is a hellhole to live in and is a lot like most prison towns in America, where there is no other industry. It kind of beats down everyone who lives there emotionally.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

Lauren comments on Sep 7, 2021:

I would never have expected Graham to give a damn about people, whether they're the general public or his followers, so throwing them to the virus for his own benefit is no surprise. Why should people work in jobs that are driving them further into debt? It makes no sense, yet too many Americans...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@JonnaBononna Same here. They flip out because it turns their whole belief system on its head. They so desperately need to believe that Dems are the good guys and on their side in the class war, instead of a fake opposition party that colludes all the time with the Repubs because, for the most part, they are funded by the same people. It takes moral courage and a tough mind to allow oneself to realize that the two party system is rigged and that no help from it is ever coming to save the working class or average Americans from being crushed or pauperized. Most people can't handle living with such limited hope and such harsh reality for the future. It takes courage to recognize that we are likely doomed and that there is no savior coming. So instead they just get angry at us for challenging their delusions and treat us as the crazy ones. The still believe that all that needs to happen to save America and make things great again is to elect Dems, any Dems, and things will be alright. Not going to happen as long as almost all the Dems are corporate Dems. With them all we get is happy talk and identity politics. And if you tell them to vote third party instead of for Dems, they parrot the same tired old lines about wasting your vote and that third parties can't win, etc. Well of course they can't if most people believe that and vote accordingly, but as long as we have elections, for the time being, a majority voting for third party candidates WOULD win, all it would take is for people to quit believing the propaganda from the corporate media and the major parties. People would need to ignore the propaganda and vote their conscience, then it would happen, that's all it would take.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 8, 2021:

Maybe the question should be "Why do people sometimes stay in a low paying job?" One of the jobs I have held is an overnight manager of a stock crew in a train track town in GA. If you show people that you see and appreciate that they are putting in an effort and praise them openly? I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@BufftonBeotch True, the owner is responsible for worker's getting paid and, ultimately, how much.. Your employer's business, for that manager job, sounds like it was more like a prison than a normal business, probably similar to how I hear Wal-Mart stores are run these days. The managers there act more like cops or prison officers. You had more success because you acted more like the good cop than the bad cop, but either way, it sounds like a shitty, exploitive situation, where the workers were more like prisoners doing time than normal workers, so no wonder they would leave as soon as they had another job to escape to.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

BufftonBeotch comments on Sep 8, 2021:

Maybe the question should be "Why do people sometimes stay in a low paying job?" One of the jobs I have held is an overnight manager of a stock crew in a train track town in GA. If you show people that you see and appreciate that they are putting in an effort and praise them openly? I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

Treating workers nicely will often work in the short term for keeping them there, but in the long term, most people will leave as soon as they can find jobs with much better pay and benefits, because most people are not content with always being poor, struggling to meet their expenses and bills, and having no economic security. Nor should they be content with that.

Why Won’t People Take Low-Paying Jobs?

Lauren comments on Sep 7, 2021:

I would never have expected Graham to give a damn about people, whether they're the general public or his followers, so throwing them to the virus for his own benefit is no surprise. Why should people work in jobs that are driving them further into debt? It makes no sense, yet too many Americans...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@JonnaBononna I've been wanting to see general strikes for decades. Until the Dem Party is supporting general strikes, I will never believe they are really on the side of workers anymore, no matter how much lip service they still give to unions.

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KKGator comments on Sep 7, 2021:

There was never any doubt this would happen. If anyone is surprised, they haven't been paying attention.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 8, 2021:

@WilliamCharles I'm sure that will happen the same time hell freezes over. Right now, the corporate media is too busy putting on the same retired generals and think tank experts that were pro war from twenty years ago to have time to put on any peace activists or any true progressives who opposed the war.