So we can stop washing our hands too, right? (Not that I ever have...)

godlessinal comments on May 14, 2021:

Problem solved! I just got through sanitizing my genitals.... Ouch!

TomMcGiverin replies on May 14, 2021:

@godlessinal Hard pass....I'm also not interested in manscaping. I try to avoid pain and risk to my body.

So we can stop washing our hands too, right? (Not that I ever have...)

godlessinal comments on May 14, 2021:

Problem solved! I just got through sanitizing my genitals.... Ouch!

TomMcGiverin replies on May 14, 2021:

TMI.

How do you feel about unvaccinated people singing (maskless) along with every song at a concert, ...

Fernapple comments on May 14, 2021:

PS. Is it not an contradiction in terms anyway. Surely if you sing at dinner tables, you wont have any friends.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 14, 2021:

@Julie808 If I were in your shoes and shared your attitude towards those who refuse to get vaxed and who show no concern for infecting others, I simply wouldn't get together with her anymore, at least not indoors.

Live video of man hitting on teen girl offers a glimpse of what young women experience daily - ...

TomMcGiverin comments on May 11, 2021:

It might help some people get it if the video had the man in the frame, but even just listening to his talk it was pretty obvious he was being a creep and ignoring her boundaries and reaction to him.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 12, 2021:

@Deb57 Agreed. I'm just saying some people might find it easier to accept him as being inappropriate if they had the additional data of watching his facial expressions, body language, etc.

Yes, they are actually trying to use this instead of an actual vaccination card -

Charles1971 comments on May 11, 2021:

Are you sure that isn't meant as humor?

TomMcGiverin replies on May 12, 2021:

@Charles1971 It'll cure you of being alive...

Sean Hannity Threatens Jimmy Kimmel: 'Don’t Talk About My Show Anymore' | HuffPost

Davekp comments on May 11, 2021:

Is there a middle finger big enough?😂😂

TomMcGiverin replies on May 11, 2021:

You mean we now need a middle finger emoji?

Capitalism Is A Misanthropic, Dystopian Religion

linxminx comments on May 9, 2021:

My viewpoint is one that believes humans are greedy, self-centered, and competitive. However, I caution myself in being too negative by wondering...are Americans truly greedy, self-centered, and competitive, or are these attributes a manifestation of surviving within a capitalistic society that ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 9, 2021:

I think the culture, esp. the mass media propaganda, drives us, at least most of us.

Oregon’s People Church tied to covid-19 outbreak of at least 74 people, authorities say - The ...

CuddyCruiser comments on May 8, 2021:

I don’t give a rats ass if all these motherfuckers drop dead.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 8, 2021:

If they didn't always end up infecting innocent, intelligent people they encounter at the grocery store or the hospital, etc., I would agree with you..

Just an FYI.

nicknotes comments on May 6, 2021:

I got a personal message from a woman who raved about how handsome I am. I was flattered but then she disappeared.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 7, 2021:

Same things happened to me a couple times recently. Scammers come and go all the time.

While I don't agree with her politically she has ethics

Davekp comments on May 6, 2021:

When someone like Liz Chaney is the longed for face of the "Old Guard" Republican you know massive upheavals are imminent. But I think Biden is mistaken in opining for the beloved 2 party system. It is what abetted the American political scene to become so polarized. Now is the time to advocate for ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 6, 2021:

Exactly, as long as both major parties support endless war and empire, economic inequality, trading away our jobs thru trade agreements that only benefit corporations, and letting the planet die thru climate change, we will continue to get endless ping ponging between the parties for control of the White House and congress as neither party represents average people, only the rich and corporations, when it comes to economics and the class war of the 1 % against the 99%.

Christians worry me.

racocn8 comments on May 5, 2021:

Don't worry. Christians have developed work-around's so that they can cheat, molest and murder to their hearts content. And they do...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

In their minds, all they have to do is ask dog's forgiveness, and they are off the hook and no longer guilty of any wrongdoing.

Just an FYI.

SeaGreenEyez comments on May 4, 2021:

They've been here since I've been here. I'm not certain how long that's been ... at least 2 years. You only made it 18 months? I started online dating in 2000 when Kiss.com was the only pay site out there. I dabbled in the online dating cess-pool on and off for about 20 years (mostly off.) ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

@SeaGreenEyez I don't doubt that. In a culture that serves so much trash and anti-intellectual content, as well as trashing intellectuals, no wonder that wicked smart is hard to find. That's why I still appreciate this site, because there are still some wicked smart people here, men and women, and they are appreciated here, at least more than in our society in general.

Just an FYI.

SeaGreenEyez comments on May 4, 2021:

They've been here since I've been here. I'm not certain how long that's been ... at least 2 years. You only made it 18 months? I started online dating in 2000 when Kiss.com was the only pay site out there. I dabbled in the online dating cess-pool on and off for about 20 years (mostly off.) ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

@SeaGreenEyez It is rough. I may watch the TV show you mentioned on You Tube, just for the stories of the two average looking people. No doubt I would relate. I 've said it a ton of times here on these forum boards, and it often seems like no one hears me, but the dating game is a totally different reality for people who are average or below average-looking, compared to those who are 7s or above on the looks scale. It usually feels, at least to me, that those who are 7s or above either don't see this or want to admit how much better they've got it than folks like me. If they're frustrated with the dating scene, it's either because they have too many choices or because they are looking to end up with a 10 in looks, money etc. With those of us lower on the scale, it's usually more a matter of not enough choices, as most people of the opposite sex, even those at our level of looks or below, are still chasing after people who are better looking than us, so we end up with more limited choices.

Just an FYI.

SeaGreenEyez comments on May 4, 2021:

They've been here since I've been here. I'm not certain how long that's been ... at least 2 years. You only made it 18 months? I started online dating in 2000 when Kiss.com was the only pay site out there. I dabbled in the online dating cess-pool on and off for about 20 years (mostly off.) ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

@SeaGreenEyez I am way too sensitive to do hookups or FWB, so Tinder would not be for me. All the dating sites now require you to pay for any real chance of meeting anyone. A free membership doesn't even allow you to see all of someone's profile or even their main pic if they send you a Like or a real message, so how can you ever make a connection with anyone? Batch allows a free member to send a free message each week to someone, who is a paid member only, whose profile and pics you've seen, then after that you and them can message for free for a few months as much as you want, even video chat, but only if they choose to reply back to you in the first place. So in the end, it's just a teaser come-on to get you to buy a membership so you can make connections more often than with the free membership. I don't agree with you about Meetup groups, I tried them along with Batch, and I never met any women to date from them. I did meet one good male friend from a Meetup group, that was it. I found that the same women who were at those groups were also on dating sites, so I dropped the groups as a waste of time and a duplication of the dating site. I didn't want to put up with the games of sorting out who was interested in dating and who wasn't among the Meetup group women or deal with approaching them in the groups. I am not confident about approaching women in person, so that doesn't play to my strong suit, which is being a good writer. So I stick with the dating site. More efficient and less wasted time and effort. I know some women, maybe most women, prefer meeting men thru activity groups, but that's easy for them to do when it's usually the men who have to make the first move and approach them. I think most women, esp. ones who are not above average-looking, unlike you, might see it differently if they had to usually make the first move in the Meetup groups. Personally, I find it much easier, tho never easy, to take rejection on a dating site, esp. before meeting in person, than to get shot down repeatedly to my face in a group setting. That experience is no different than the old days when I was young and would approach women at bars with live music or without music. It was not fun then and it's still no fun now when I try it at a live music show in a bar, asking them to dance. Approaching women in person at a bar, live music show, or even in a Meetup group, all hinges way too much on one's looks, and I have never been that confident about my looks towards doing that. I know that nowadays most women who are average or above average are probably going to reject me if all the have to go on initially is my looks. The same way that the vast majority of my first messages to women on Batch don't even get read, because the women see my main profile pic in ...

Just an FYI.

SeaGreenEyez comments on May 4, 2021:

They've been here since I've been here. I'm not certain how long that's been ... at least 2 years. You only made it 18 months? I started online dating in 2000 when Kiss.com was the only pay site out there. I dabbled in the online dating cess-pool on and off for about 20 years (mostly off.) ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

@SeaGreenEyez I'm not surprised to hear any of that. It seems to me that, esp. now that all the dating sites and services are all owned by a few conglomerates, same as the mass media companies in TV, radio and newspapers, that the dating sites and services get worse and more expensive each year. I predict it won't be long until all of them, except maybe E-Harmony, will be just profile pics and/or short interview videos, and very little info about the site or service members. As it is already, someone has to really beat the odds to meet anyone who turns out to be a longtime compatible friend or partner like what you have described. Because the real goal or priority of the dating sites and services is money, nothing else. They only need to have just enough success to seem credible to the public as a service that works for some, along with the fact that the companies are now so monopolized they have no real competition or anyone regulating them from the government to force them to improve any of their services. I also agree with you about what is realistically possible for most of us and how you define success in finding good relationships. Our movies and TV shows give us a very fantasized view of what is realistic in finding longtime partners and such. Sometimes the best we can expect is someone who continues to share sex with us, enjoys spending most, but not all, of their free time with us, and that never feels like killing us at the end of some days.....

Just an FYI.

SeaGreenEyez comments on May 4, 2021:

They've been here since I've been here. I'm not certain how long that's been ... at least 2 years. You only made it 18 months? I started online dating in 2000 when Kiss.com was the only pay site out there. I dabbled in the online dating cess-pool on and off for about 20 years (mostly off.) ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

That must have been a fascinating experience to see how online dating has changed over two decades. Please PM me and give me a lengthy report on what you have seen and experienced. My guess is that online dating sites have, if anything, gotten worse since 2000, providing less info in the profiles with which to use in seeing who might or might not be a match for someone. And I'm sure the prices have also gone up as the sites have consolidated and are now owned by just a few conglomerates. Please tell me, either here or in a PM, how much success have you had with dating sites in actually finding men you really liked, were compatible, and actually dated for any length of time. In almost three years on Match, I only met one woman who was compatible enough to date a while, six months in that case.

Just an FYI.

TomMcGiverin comments on May 4, 2021:

I have three years of online dating experience with Batch, and the scammers have been here on Agnostic since the beginning, as far as I can tell. They should be obvious to spot.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 5, 2021:

@Mooolah Thanks. I think she is very reasonable about religion and respects my difference with her. I dated a practicing Catholic for six months before Covid and that was not part of why that ended, was never really an issue in that relationship either.

Just an FYI.

TomMcGiverin comments on May 4, 2021:

I have three years of online dating experience with Batch, and the scammers have been here on Agnostic since the beginning, as far as I can tell. They should be obvious to spot.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@Larry68Feminist She is a moderate Episcopal believer, not an always attender of church either. She was a clergy wife in her last marriage before being widowed, but she believes we should all think for ourselves rather than blindly believe.

Just an FYI.

bobwjr comments on May 4, 2021:

Excessive compliments, very attractive , if they want to contact off site . We have a scammer site report them

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@Holysocks Whatever you want, you just keep telling yourself that, lol...

Just an FYI.

bobwjr comments on May 4, 2021:

Excessive compliments, very attractive , if they want to contact off site . We have a scammer site report them

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

I've gotten more of those than I can count here on Agnostic. And like Holysocks says, they are always very young, attractive, wearing tight clothes.

Just an FYI.

TomMcGiverin comments on May 4, 2021:

I have three years of online dating experience with Batch, and the scammers have been here on Agnostic since the beginning, as far as I can tell. They should be obvious to spot.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@Krish55 I use a rhyme instead of the real name, in case that dating site wanted to sue Agnostic for something they didn't like being posted. As for catching a match, I am beginning to see someone who has potential. Stay tuned.

Hedges: Don’t Be Fooled By Joe Biden - scheerpost.com

MsHoliday comments on May 4, 2021:

As usually Chris Hedges hits that nail square on the head. Brilliant man. 💙🇨🇦

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@WilliamCharles I agree. So many comfortable liberal Dems, mainly just liberal on social issues and ID politics, think that just voting for any corporate Dem is all they need to do and everything will be fine, like there's really much diff between corporate Dems and Repubs on the really important issues.

Update time.

BitFlipper comments on Apr 29, 2021:

You're having phenomenal results! A dinner date at her house? In the age of covid that's a marriage proposal. I've never had more than one talker at a time. The best I've been able to do is buying a socially-distanced meal at a restaurant. I would focus on the one with pink hair.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

You're right, Dave, in this era, dinner at her house is not only an open invitation to sex, it is practically a marriage proposal, lol...

Update time.

BitFlipper comments on Apr 29, 2021:

You're having phenomenal results! A dinner date at her house? In the age of covid that's a marriage proposal. I've never had more than one talker at a time. The best I've been able to do is buying a socially-distanced meal at a restaurant. I would focus on the one with pink hair.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@Happycanuck You're so right about all the damaged women on dating sites who are divorced. It's no coincidence that the one I am seeing now is widowed, rather than divorced, and that's no doubt why she seems so much more positive and emotionally healthy compared to most of the women I've met from Batch. Unfortunately, at my age there aren't that many widows around yet on Batch for me to choose from, so I am mostly forced to try dating divorced women, who dominate the profiles on Batch for my area and age group. Until now, I have had little success getting replies or connections with any of the widowed women I have reached out to on Batch. Why that is, I have no clue...

Increasing Desperation as the U.

girlwithsmiles comments on May 3, 2021:

Interesting, and American offshore interests? https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/shopping/all-american-brands-products-actually-made-overseas/ The fact that people are still buying products sold as food which have little nutritional value and some consume things which are making them...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

@girlwithsmiles Doesn't look like any of those brands are ones I've seen in stores around here. I'm probably too poor to afford them anyway.

Hedges: Don’t Be Fooled By Joe Biden - scheerpost.com

MsHoliday comments on May 4, 2021:

As usually Chris Hedges hits that nail square on the head. Brilliant man. 💙🇨🇦

TomMcGiverin replies on May 4, 2021:

I just wish some of my friends who are centrist Dems would finally wake up about how corrupt their party is and that it's now so far to the right of even Nixon these days. They don't want to hear the truth about corporate Dems. Obama was the same way, lots of happy talk, but nothing that really helped the lower classes. He was a sellout all the way, that's why I hated and still hate him. He talked all that talk about helping unions, but when he had a supermajority at the start of his administration, he didn't even try to pass the card check bill, a very simple act that would have made union organizing immensely easier. But he didn't even try because his corporate masters opposed it.

What is a good conversation starter?

Benjamin123 comments on May 3, 2021:

I meant good conversation starter to get to know someone for a relationship. I don’t want her to be upset at the questions I ask, or completely ignore me.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 3, 2021:

@Benjamin123 I've tried that with women on first meetings. Some of them get the hint and move on from it and some don't. I'm at the point that any woman who's that lacking in self awareness, I am going to move away and on from, because that's a red flag that they aren't emotionally open, healed and ready for a relationship yet. Nobody with self awareness and good emotional health would bring up that kind of stuff in a first in person meeting.

What is a good conversation starter?

Benjamin123 comments on May 3, 2021:

I meant good conversation starter to get to know someone for a relationship. I don’t want her to be upset at the questions I ask, or completely ignore me.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 3, 2021:

@resserts I agree with your serious suggestions. I try to hang back most of the time in a first in person meeting. It's better if you can at least have a video chat or phone call before the big step of the first in person meeting, but some women are so cautious about their safety or feelings that they won't agree to either of those. If that's that case, you have to think long and hard about whether they might be trying to hide something from you or possibly that they are just very sensitive and afraid of sharing much about how they really look or sound. If you think they are hiding something or too guarded about themselves, then you may decide, as I probably will in the future, that they are either not worth the continued effort on my part or not really that interested in meeting me or possibly dating me. If you do make it to the first in person meeting, I know that many or even most people don't like their jobs that much, and because I am not that materialistic or into status things like cars, clothes, or someone's resume or if they had a high status career, I simply ask what things they are passionate about in their life and what they would do if they won the lottery and could live anywhere, travel anywhere, or do whatever they wanted in the future. That will tell you a lot about who they really are, what matters to them, and what their hopes and dreams are. Always stay with positive stuff in how the the first meeting's conversation goes. I can't believe how some women choose to bring up or share negative stuff about other men in their past or about how bad some of their past experiences have been, whether in relationships or how they have interacted with others. Always a bad move to gripe about things in that first meeting.

What is a good conversation starter?

resserts comments on May 2, 2021:

Here are just some of the icebreakers that have worked for me: - I know it's tough to pick just one, but which dictator from history do you most admire? - How many abortions have you had? - What's your least favorite ethnicity? - Does this look infected to you? - Tell me all about your sexual...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 3, 2021:

@resserts You still succeeded plenty in my book...

What is a good conversation starter?

resserts comments on May 2, 2021:

Here are just some of the icebreakers that have worked for me: - I know it's tough to pick just one, but which dictator from history do you most admire? - How many abortions have you had? - What's your least favorite ethnicity? - Does this look infected to you? - Tell me all about your sexual...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 3, 2021:

I can only speak for myself, ressert, but most of us here enjoy hearing from a professional smart-ass... You certainly qualify. Looks like the OP was looking for something else from the commenters. There's always a perfect straight man for the part.

What is a good conversation starter?

resserts comments on May 2, 2021:

Here are just some of the icebreakers that have worked for me: - I know it's tough to pick just one, but which dictator from history do you most admire? - How many abortions have you had? - What's your least favorite ethnicity? - Does this look infected to you? - Tell me all about your sexual...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 3, 2021:

Forgot to ask the most obvious and crucial one, " What is your weight?" Always a good go-to ?, at least if you want to get punched.....

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

BitFlipper comments on May 1, 2021:

Sorry about this experience. One thing I'll add is that some women have a lot of pent up anger, and it doesn't really harm me to listen to it. My theory is that they have to let it out somehow and maybe they'll warm up after that.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 2, 2021:

Apparently my coffee date did, and she's in therapy right now to boot, but I get the feeling she is a long way from being able to open up, let down her guard, and be vulnerable anytime soon with other men she might meet from Batch. She keeps saying she is on there mainly because her therapist recommended it and she might benefit from meeting men and seeing how there are some good men out there. But after my experience with her, it's "Next!" and, as Mr. T. might say, "I pity the fool that tries to get thru to her or make a connection with her!".

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 30, 2021:

Personally, tho I know it will sound like sour grapes, I and a friend I processed this experience with, think that I dodged a bullet here. All is not lost, tho, because tomorrow night I have sort of a first meeting/date with a woman that I have been not only messaging with on Batch, but also moved ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

@MsHoliday At my age, early 60s, I think I am like most single folks out there. New relationships are more about companionship, sharing interests, coming to know someone deeply and be known by them just as deeply. And of course, sex is also usually part of it. All of that is about having someone as a partner for whatever time we may have left alive, rather than the limitless future we contemplate as young singles. At this age, it's about having someone special to share the rest of the ride with, not about families and big goals, projects, and dreams, because for most of us, it's too late for all that if it hasn't happened already. Unfortunately, my local dating pool is chock full of women who are still pretty tied at the hip to their families, so finding my partner with the attitude I expressed above in this paragraph is almost like seeking a unicorn.

Arizona Atheist Lawmaker Stands Up To Christian Bully: [youtube.com]

redhog comments on May 1, 2021:

As soon as he grabbed a mic I felt the uncontrollable urge to punch him.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

I sometimes feel that same way towards smug, arrogant jerks. Glad to know I'm not alone and that it doesn't make me an overly violent person.

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 30, 2021:

Personally, tho I know it will sound like sour grapes, I and a friend I processed this experience with, think that I dodged a bullet here. All is not lost, tho, because tomorrow night I have sort of a first meeting/date with a woman that I have been not only messaging with on Batch, but also moved ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

@MsHoliday I agree, I think we are living different realities, each of which are real and valid.

When you claim to be "pro-life", but your god isn't

LenHazell53 comments on May 1, 2021:

It is so simple all you need do is Remember that when baby is inside his or her poverty stricken mum, its a helpless unborn and a cause worth fighting for, once it is out side of the vagina, its a worthless parasite feeding on your tax dollars and consuming precious resource.

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

I call it fanatical worship of the womb, with no regard for the woman containing the womb.

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 30, 2021:

Personally, tho I know it will sound like sour grapes, I and a friend I processed this experience with, think that I dodged a bullet here. All is not lost, tho, because tomorrow night I have sort of a first meeting/date with a woman that I have been not only messaging with on Batch, but also moved ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

@MsHoliday Believe me, or not, if you have seen most of my other comments on this subject, I am patient to a fault when it comes to sex in a new relationship. I wait much longer than most men, so by the time I feel ready, if the woman still doesn't have the trust or whatever for her to feel sexual chemistry by then, it ain't ever gonna happen for her at all.....at least not regarding me....

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

Sticks48 comments on May 1, 2021:

Sorry it didn't work out. I find the online dating more fustating and dissapointig than anything else. Now that l have had my second vaccine a month ago and we are playing some, l might meet someone not so far away., but we need to play more away from here. It is a very small town and at my age the ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

@Sticks48 I hear you Larry, I struggle with depression too, partly from getting older and having some regrets, partly from all the loss in my life the last ten years. But music is a wonderful thing, sometimes even an addictive escape. That's why I love singing karaoke, at least on the nights when the show is good. When I am up there singing and really into it, like with you, all the bad stuff and noise goes away, at least temporarily.... Most of the time, even watching a good concert or live music show, can also do that for me. And, like you, I am probably somewhat pickier nowadays about who I find attractive, while at the same time, I am not as relatively attractive-looking, compared to my male competition, as I was when I was younger. So, sadly so, it seems like I am increasingly doomed to be trying to date out of my league, lookswise, as long-haired Gwendolyn would say, which feels really depressing whenever I think about it. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Try dating women who aren't that attractive to me and feel unhappy and sexually frustrated, or try dating who I find attractive and end up being continually rejected early on. I could join a gym and work out, which might help me out some in the dating competition, but I find body-building really boring and it wouldn't do anything about me being bald, which is still probably the biggest factor going against me in looks.

Sticks48 (Larry) would be so disappointed in me.

Sticks48 comments on May 1, 2021:

Sorry it didn't work out. I find the online dating more fustating and dissapointig than anything else. Now that l have had my second vaccine a month ago and we are playing some, l might meet someone not so far away., but we need to play more away from here. It is a very small town and at my age the ...

TomMcGiverin replies on May 1, 2021:

Man, I really hope you are wrong about that and find someone. You are a cool guy and, for it's worth, I think you are good looking, and a musician to boot! I always thought musicians attract lots of women, maybe that changes once they get older....

Hey, gals! If you're tired of the 'soy boy swamp,' this new 'Christian' dating site is for you!

praytothemilkjug comments on Apr 30, 2021:

GO FOR IT!!!!! If you were a guy I would suggest doing it as a woman, so perhaps you might want to do it as a guy?? And do invite all your friends. Jest say'n!

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 30, 2021:

Actually, why shouldn't men go on there trolling and pretending to be women? Most of the scammers on dating sites are already men pretending to be women.

Ever the kitchen helper... Alastair.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 30, 2021:

The cat was going to help wash the dishes?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 30, 2021:

@Zster So that was his aim, to shower in the sink with the sink as a bathtub. Unusual that a cat would like getting wet.

Update time.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 29, 2021:

22 hour drive? Is she too broke to fly? I would never put myself thru that long of a car trip, even when I was young.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 29, 2021:

@Happycanuck To each their own, I guess. That trip would not be fun for me, even tho I do enjoy driving.

I respect human rights, does the government Or the herd mentally respect mine?

Gemini-1947 comments on Apr 27, 2021:

Good luck. Stay healthy. There are so many conspiracy theories and miss info. It's hard to sort out what is really going on, and things are changing all the time.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

@Castlepaloma To me, herd mentality is sheeple swallowing whole all the propaganda the corporate media throw at them and continuing to vote for the duopoly, as well as to believe that either of the major parties give a shit about them.

I respect human rights, does the government Or the herd mentally respect mine?

Charles1971 comments on Apr 27, 2021:

Reading this post what I primarily see is "me, me, me... me, me, me...". Travel bans, social distancing, lockdowns... these are necessary and important means to try and control and reduce the spread of a worldwide pandemic. It's not just about YOU getting sick. It's about YOU contracting covid, ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

I'm a proud socialist and his attitude is the complete antithesis of socialism-all about the individual and their comfort, nothing about the collective good, much less about those who are less well off than him.

I don't get intimate relationships but platonic I do... Anyone else who has views similar to me?

Deb57 comments on Apr 27, 2021:

All my relationships will start with being platonic. Intimacy requires trust, and trust is never instant, or at least, it shouldn't be. If someone wants to start with sex, or gets impatient at reaching that stage in the relationship, I will assume he is trying to get me into bed before I can ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

@Deb57 I'm glad that it has. It makes sense that patience regarding sex and trustworthiness would go together because they both involve whether a person respects your boundaries and values you as much as themselves.

I don't get intimate relationships but platonic I do... Anyone else who has views similar to me?

Deb57 comments on Apr 27, 2021:

All my relationships will start with being platonic. Intimacy requires trust, and trust is never instant, or at least, it shouldn't be. If someone wants to start with sex, or gets impatient at reaching that stage in the relationship, I will assume he is trying to get me into bed before I can ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

From everything you've said in the past, I don't blame you for wanting to be absolutely sure of a man's character before taking a risk again with someone and getting emotionally hurt again. Makes sense.

I don't get intimate relationships but platonic I do... Anyone else who has views similar to me?

Sticks48 comments on Apr 27, 2021:

I have had platonic and still do, FWB, and intimate relationships. All three are fine, but intimate is the best. My experience has been platonic lasts until one of you gets into an intimate relationship and that usually ends that because there is no real time. FWB will end if one of you gets serious...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

Wise and eloquent as always. I totally agree with you, Larry. I have only been in platonic and intimate, too sensitive to do FWB, but make no judgement or have anything against consenting adults who do FWB.

I don't get intimate relationships but platonic I do... Anyone else who has views similar to me?

BitFlipper comments on Apr 26, 2021:

I don't get *to have* intimate relationships. I'm only permitted to have platonic relationships until, somehow, I become the last man on earth.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 27, 2021:

I feel your pain and can relate. I can't count the number of times on dating sites that I have messaged a woman soon after they join, missed their first round of men that they replied to (no doubt because my main profile pic wasn't good-looking enough, so they passed me up for the better-looking men who messaged them, not even reading my first message), traded messages with, and then met in person or went out with. And then later, when they finally got around to replying to my later message, following up with them and telling them I was still interested in them, they cry me a river about all the bad experiences they had with other men (undoubtedly ones who were better-looking and more impressive than me in their profiles) on that dating site and how they are leaving the site soon and giving up on meeting any more men from the site, etc. As if that is supposed to make me feel better that I got passed up by them when they were still interested in meeting men for dating and to make me feel it was "nothing personal" that they don't want to get to know me then or meet me. Small consolation and more like a slap in the face, to be told that you're never going to get a chance to prove yourself worthy or compatible with that woman because you never measured up enough to make the first cut with them, so you have to accept that they passed you up then and are now not interested in seeing if you might have been a match for them if you had made the first round cut. I know, I sound like a pathetic doormat, but that is the fate of men who are average-looking or below in the competitive world of online dating. I have no doubt it is no better for women who are in the same league for looks. The only difference is that those women usually sit passively on the sidelines, being passed up by most men in favor of messaging the better-looking women, and they end up getting only a handful of messages per month on the dating site. Same result as the men, they end up meeting very few people in person from the dating site. And I know full well, before anyone reminds me of it, that those seemingly shallow women who pass me up in their first round of messaging and meeting some of the men from the site are obviously not my type if they passed me up so casually, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that nobody who loves themselves and has some self esteem and self respect, doesn't feel some sadness or regret at being rejected by so many solely on the basis of looks, without even having their initial message read.

Pastor Accidentally Says “Marriage is Between One Man and One Husband” | Hemant Mehta | Friendly...

xenoview comments on Apr 25, 2021:

Maybe the pastor is secretly gay.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 25, 2021:

May well be true, it's called a Freudian slip (of the tongue).

In the aftermath of the George Floyd murder I feel that many are not asking the right questions.

think-beyond comments on Apr 25, 2021:

That $20 something or other is no longer the issue. You don't kill a man for that. The issue, the only issue, is the knee on the neck while murdering this man in cold blood. Was this Chauvin's wise guy response to taking the knee at sport events to protest the murdering of other blacks by cops. Was ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 25, 2021:

From the trial testimony, it was obvious that killing Floyd was Chauvin's response to the bystanders who were begging him to get off of Floyd. He was basically telling them, thru his actions, "I'm going to kill this guy and you can't do anything to stop me". Fortunately, it turned out that they couldn't stop him, but they could make him pay for it.

Regarding: yesterday's verdict.

Beowulfsfriend comments on Apr 21, 2021:

And, elsewhere, some states are pushing to make filming cops illegal.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 21, 2021:

And that is something that should make everyone afraid, even white folks, because once cops are above all accountability, then everyone is vulnerable to being victimized. And I have no doubt that without the video, Chauvin would have walked.

When your white priviledge expires

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 20, 2021:

I thought that when I watched that happen. Way cool. I hope he gets a very warm and cozy reception at the jail and prison.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 20, 2021:

I wish, but I'm sure he'll get sent to a federal prison where he is segregated from violent criminals and probably only around white collar crooks in a high security prison.

George Floyd and his Family can now breath!!! Guilty on all 3 charges!!!!

BufftonBeotch comments on Apr 20, 2021:

Chauvin is not smirking tonight.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 20, 2021:

I watched the motherfucker's eyes as the judge read the verdicts. Chauvin's eyes kept darting left and right, like the fucking cornered rat that he is.

The testimony of Chauvin’s “experts” and the pseudo-legal framework of police terror

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 20, 2021:

I now predict a guilty verdict on at least one charge, now that jury deliberations lasted less than two days. If it had gone longer than that, I would have predicted a hung jury or an acquittal on all charges.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 20, 2021:

@altschmerz I love being right, and most of the time I am. Most of those times, it's no fun because I am predicting very negative things, but this time it was something positive.

Bo Burnham - From God's Perspective. [youtu.be]

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 19, 2021:

Nice song. I like how his voice is simple and unembellished, without all that American Idol crap where they do all these vocal tricks and such to show off. He just sings the lyrics with some emotion and lets that do the job. Sometimes the untrained singers are the best conveyors of the song's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 19, 2021:

@JGal I like a lot of rockabilly, but I still can't stand country, new or old. Probably because I also hate rednecks. I just do my best to stay the hell away from rural areas and the people who live in them as much as possible, unless it's someone I personally know that, like me, doesn't fit in with most of their neighbors. That would be people with intelligence, some education (self-taught or otherwise), and some taste in entertainment and culture, similar to mine. I am a proud cultural snob.

Bo Burnham - From God's Perspective. [youtu.be]

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 19, 2021:

Nice song. I like how his voice is simple and unembellished, without all that American Idol crap where they do all these vocal tricks and such to show off. He just sings the lyrics with some emotion and lets that do the job. Sometimes the untrained singers are the best conveyors of the song's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 19, 2021:

@JGal You're welcome. Do you hate country music too? His song was such a breath of fresh air for someone drowning in country music land like me. And in the song he sounds exactly like all these fake cowboys and farmers.

Bo Burnham - From God's Perspective. [youtu.be]

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 19, 2021:

Nice song. I like how his voice is simple and unembellished, without all that American Idol crap where they do all these vocal tricks and such to show off. He just sings the lyrics with some emotion and lets that do the job. Sometimes the untrained singers are the best conveyors of the song's ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 19, 2021:

@JGal I really hate country music, even tho it's been all around me here in Iowa my whole damned life, so that's why I really like his fake country song.

I honestly couldn't make this shit up.

Davekp comments on Apr 18, 2021:

Not sure why you are going for the free food when you don’t need it but I can see how that would clash with her temperament considering she found the government offer of support for her business to be morally unacceptable. I would say it was a bit of oil and water. Carry on. 🖖

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 18, 2021:

I get it because I don't cook, the food is ok, and it's usually a hot meal. She also wasn't planning to get vaxed for Covid and was eating at restaurants during Covid without getting vaxed, so there's that bit of crazy too.

🤣😂😅😂🤣😂😅

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 15, 2021:

I dated a younger man once (only) he had gone to college on a baseball scholarship and then somehow blew that... worked in call centers but had recently quit, now was working in landscaping, and was looking for a woman who could "help him find his way." I told him that was his mama's job and all my ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

Good for you. Probably tho he eventually found a lonely older woman who gave him what he wanted, since he had the looks. Male or female, if someone has the necessary level of looks, they always eventually find someone willing to play their game. Men have their trophy wives and girlfriends, women have their boy toys.

I'd like to meet a beautiful-1 American woman on this site.

Secretguy comments on Apr 15, 2021:

Hurry, girls! This one won't last!

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

Ding, ding, we have the winner...

Growing up, my brother’s experiences within our family was very different to my experience in the ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 15, 2021:

Interesting ideas. Seems to make sense.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

@MsHoliday I agree. The system encourages everyone to play their prescribed roles.

I had a productive afternoon.

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 14, 2021:

I get my second shot tomorrow, and can't wait to start socializing again on the 29th.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

@HippieChick58 I continued to get monthly massages all during Covid, once the state began allowing them to practice again, with me and the therapist wearing masks. Same thing with barbers about once every couple months, so I could get a head shave. The barber is a one-man shop where everybody wears a mask and he sanitizes between customers, so it's low risk. I will start going to movie theaters again after I finish this process, but I only go anyway to weekday matinees normally where the room is pretty empty. I will also go back to karaoke shows and maybe an occaisional meal in a restaurant.

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

Zster comments on Apr 14, 2021:

I live in GA. Our governor opened the state in May 2020, outlawed city mask mandates, and required schools open with in person attendance instead of Zoom. In blue counties, you’ll see some masks, esp university counties. In more rural red counties, you’d likely not see any and are very likely to...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

@Zster One thing I've been missing, since Covid became bad, is visiting one of my old friends in the Kansas City area. Once both of us finish vaxing, I intend to visit him again for a weekend sometime in May.

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

onthefire comments on Apr 15, 2021:

In my state (Indiana), it's no longer a mandate. I'm now in the minority for wearing my masks. My business partner was just exposed over the weekend and many of my clients are elderly. I have to be safe. I couldn't bear the thought of getting someone else sick or maybe dead.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 15, 2021:

You are a good and caring man, clearly an exception in your local area. I wish you, your business partner, and your clients the best and hope they can stay healthy.

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

powder comments on Apr 14, 2021:

This post is sad. Masks are no longer mandated so people are not wearing them. That's the law and if you don't like the law you can vote different law makers in. Are not the wearing of masks weird? I say that because it is not for your benefit, but the perceived benefit of others. Reverse ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 14, 2021:

@powder You make a good point and there are multiple areas where selfishness is causing harm to others and the environment, without the same kind of blaming and PC being thrown at them.

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

powder comments on Apr 14, 2021:

This post is sad. Masks are no longer mandated so people are not wearing them. That's the law and if you don't like the law you can vote different law makers in. Are not the wearing of masks weird? I say that because it is not for your benefit, but the perceived benefit of others. Reverse ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 14, 2021:

You are free to disagree with me, but young people are making up most of the new cases of the virus, even if they are asymptomatic, and by doing so they are extending the length of the epidemic in the US and the growth of new mutations. I stand by my post.

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

Zster comments on Apr 14, 2021:

I live in GA. Our governor opened the state in May 2020, outlawed city mask mandates, and required schools open with in person attendance instead of Zoom. In blue counties, you’ll see some masks, esp university counties. In more rural red counties, you’d likely not see any and are very likely to...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 14, 2021:

Getting vaxed will at least protect you against dying or getting seriously ill, but it won't stop the maskholes from infecting you. Too bad you have to depend on the vax to prevent others who don't give a shit about you from killing you or seriously harming your health. But that's how Trumpers are about everything, all about me...

I'm not sure if this belongs more in the Politics forum instead of here, but I'll post it in Health ...

jlynn37 comments on Apr 14, 2021:

I'm in Texas and it is not limited to the young.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 14, 2021:

Right now, where I live, it's just the young, even tho most people here are Trumpers. It seems the older Trump supporters finally started doing the right thing out of sheer self preservation, not because they cared about others. There are exceptions, like the old ladies in my condo community who play cards a couple times a week sitting close together around a table without masks. But no doubt they have all been vaxed by now due to their age. I also see the staff people who work around my community never wearing masks, and they are all older folks too.

Hello I'm new here whats Going on ??

Petter comments on Apr 14, 2021:

**Absolutely Nothing** until we know a bit more about you. No one is going to communicate until you answer a few more details on your profile page. Have a look at mine for an idea. https://agnostic.com/member/Petter

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 14, 2021:

And that's assuming the profile comes off as being a real person instead of a scammer. Looks like she didn't visit your profile, so we may have our answer.

So new to this online dating thing.

Happycanuck comments on Apr 13, 2021:

Ok The person who is a Mensa member is also scary. She is angry that people do not respect her intelligence. She also mentioned that she has trouble meeting men. Talking to her it is apparent why. Run away Run away! I am taking notes, this is just a fascinating experience. Much more to write ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

@Happycanuck Where I live it is a huge issue with most women who have kids, even grown adult kids who live far away. Most of them have no interest in dating a man without kids because these women are very traditional-minded and family-oriented rather than couple-oriented or independent from their families. There is a huge lack of balance, it seems, with most of these Midwestern women compared to the lifestyles of most women who live on either coast, who maintain connections with their children and grandchildren, but don't make it the center of their lives.

Gwen Shocks a Christian I was in Walmart today and, as is my wont, struck up a conversation with...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 13, 2021:

You are such a naughty, mischieveous person. I know I spelled it wrong.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

@Gwendolyn2018 It wasn't enough to help me get it right, so I gave up after a few attempts. Too lazy to go find a dictionary.

Atheists Will No Longer Have to Swear an Oath to God in Order to Vote in Alabama | Hemant Mehta | ...

Charlene comments on Apr 13, 2021:

That's an important victory, especially in Alabama,the incest capital of the South..

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

Probably why I always think of banjo music and the movie Deliverance when I think of Alabama and Georgia. Too many rednecks and inbreds...

This happened in the suburb I live in. Police should not have guns. [theguardian.com]

K8TE comments on Apr 12, 2021:

What is it going to take to change this system of police brutality?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

@Redheadedgammy That would force the good cops to start putting pressure on the bad ones to either shape up or quit, instead of keeping silent or staying afraid of the bad cops, because it would hit the good cops in the wallet.

So new to this online dating thing.

Happycanuck comments on Apr 13, 2021:

Ok The person who is a Mensa member is also scary. She is angry that people do not respect her intelligence. She also mentioned that she has trouble meeting men. Talking to her it is apparent why. Run away Run away! I am taking notes, this is just a fascinating experience. Much more to write ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

That's really interesting that the women are bringing up sex first. Here in Iowa, I hear all the time from women how much they hate men bringing up sex first or the men seeming too aggressive on that front. Same with women comfortably talking about possibly agreeing to a FWB. I'm glad that Batch has added a free video chat feature to their site, so that, with Covid, people who have traded messages can video chat to see if there is chemistry or physical attraction beyond looking at photos before they have to risk meeting in person with Covid. Batch has said that they will keep the video chat feature even after Covid settles down. It is available to both paid and free members as long as both people have sent at least one message to the other person.

That's right

Sticks48 comments on Apr 13, 2021:

These religious nut jobs are letting this antimasturbation thing get out of hand!

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 13, 2021:

Your comment makes me imagine Beavis and Butthead snickering about, " He said out of hand,, huh, huh....".

Kidnapped Catholic clergy, including French citizens, held for $1 million ransom in Haiti ...

KKGator comments on Apr 12, 2021:

While this probably makes me a terrible person, I honestly don't care.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 12, 2021:

@KKGator I consider myself to be too sane a person to deliberately visit or move to a place where I know there is great hostility towards people like me. Probably why I never visit the southern US unless it's Atlanta or a part of Florida that has lots of transplants from the Northeast. Everywhere else is, to me, just hostile cracker territory. Hell, I even pretty much stay out of rural Iowa, for the same reasons.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Deb57 comments on Apr 10, 2021:

Recently I had a conversation with a man who made it clear that one of his female friends was not up for consideration as a partner due to her weight. It was a total turn-off at the time, and the more I have thought about how dismissive about this woman he was, for such a shallow reason, the less I...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 12, 2021:

@Deb57 I believe you and your open-mindedness is very admirable. But I think you are quite an anomaly. For every person like you, male or female, I think there are tens or even a hundred that we both would call shallow when it comes to looks. After all the negative experiences you've had with LTR partners, it makes perfect sense that you should only care about character at this point. It shows that you have learned and grown from your mistakes in past choices. Unfortunately, most people, men and women, keep choosing either the same dysfunctional personality type, or even different dysfunctional types, with a different name and package each time. And the common thread in all of it is them, but they will never admit it or seek to change it about themselves. And that's the main reason that in online dating, I go out of my way to put most of my effort and attention towards women that, like me, are widowed. But the problem is that in my age group, they make up only about 20% of the dating pool in my area on Batch. It's probably about the same % with other dating sites, unless you are talking about one that is mostly made up of people much older than me.

I'm certain this is not the first time a human has noticed this, especially during the era before TV...

Krish55 comments on Apr 11, 2021:

Hey I will settle for any kind of date.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2021:

Ba- dum... rim shot...

The Truth About Vaccines.

Robert_2001 comments on Apr 10, 2021:

Yes, fewer Republicans and Evangelicals would be good for our country. Natural selection at it best.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2021:

@linxminx I have noticed that too among young people. They know that their risk of getting seriously ill or dying from Covid is very small, so they are being selfish and not taking it very seriously, because, frankly, they don't care how it may affect us older folks. But they should care, because, even among healthy young people, they have a significant risk of heart or lung damage from Covid. Where I live, the young people never started wearing masks until the businesses all began requiring it.

‘We don’t go to church.

anglophone comments on Apr 10, 2021:

The religious guideline provided by the God of the Bible? Hello? Do you really want your daughter to grow up into a genocidal maniac with catastrophic anger management issues? How come Iowa has so many inbreds?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2021:

Beats me, but it happens..

" We should have never trusted them" Let us not forget the goal of the left is to make as many ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 10, 2021:

You are so full of shit, I don't know where to begin for arguing with you. Like racocm8 says below, your mangling of the English language makes it pointless anyway.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2021:

@m16566 Time to block the troll...

The Truth About Vaccines.

Robert_2001 comments on Apr 10, 2021:

Yes, fewer Republicans and Evangelicals would be good for our country. Natural selection at it best.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2021:

The problem is that their resistance to getting vaxed will hurt the rest of us by allowing mutations that will continue to harm us until the vaccines catch up with the new mutations. This is going to go on for at least another year or two before the vaccines catch up to new mutations.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Deb57 comments on Apr 10, 2021:

Recently I had a conversation with a man who made it clear that one of his female friends was not up for consideration as a partner due to her weight. It was a total turn-off at the time, and the more I have thought about how dismissive about this woman he was, for such a shallow reason, the less I...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2021:

It has happened plenty to me, Deb. Lots of women are willing to be friends with me, but would never consider dating me because I'm bald, not muscular or athletic, and not rich. Women gain weight with age, men go bald, gain weight, and lose their muscles, the reaction by the respective genders is the same. You become invisible, asexual, and out of consideration sexually and romantically. So, like Sticks says below, it goes both ways, not men doing that more than women do. I think most men and women are pretty much the same in this way and the man you were talking with was just more honest than most people are, of both genders. I still have most of my messages with Batch not even read by the women I reach out to, much less have them view my profile, and it's undoubtedly because they simply look at my main profile pic and conclude I am not attractive-looking enough to even bother reading my message. So much for all the platitudes and cliches I see in women's profiles about how important honesty, integrity, communication, etc. are to them in seeking a partner. Yeah, all those things matter as long as the guy looks and dresses like Brad Pitt and he makes six figures. Having said that, I don't think that having no attraction or interest in dating someone because their looks aren't appealing to you is the same thing as treating them as a non-person. And I have made it clear multiple times that I think you are an attractive woman and a catch. But the generalization holds true for both genders and in online dating almost nobody is on there to meet people for and create platonic friendships. Most of us already have plenty of friends before we brave the harsh world of the dating scene. And we'd better have them if we are not above average looking, because the amount of rejection would be unbearable without the emotional support of some friends to help give us continued validation and reinforcement that we have something to offer others. We enter the dating arena because we want to add something sexual and deeper to our lives than what we have in our existing friendships.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Sticks48 comments on Apr 8, 2021:

It is a two way street. There are are women who think I'm too skinny, some think mI am too bald, or aren't interested because I don't have enough money. I really don't care. Some women find me attractive for whatever reason or reasons and some don't.Too many men and women can't except the fact men ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

@Sticks48 Best of all, she appears to prefer younger men, lol...

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Sticks48 comments on Apr 8, 2021:

It is a two way street. There are are women who think I'm too skinny, some think mI am too bald, or aren't interested because I don't have enough money. I really don't care. Some women find me attractive for whatever reason or reasons and some don't.Too many men and women can't except the fact men ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

As always, Sticks, word......bravo. My longtime crush among celeb women has always been Susan Sarandon, but nowadays most men my age would probably say she is too old..... but I don't give a rat's ass even tho she's 12 years older than me.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

BitFlipper comments on Apr 8, 2021:

The last article I read here was about a woman who complained that a man was attracted to her voice. Let's be honest here - women don't want to be approached by men who aren't studly. I don't talk to women I don't already know because they freak out!

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

@HippieChick58 You are a rare gem in that respect, Paula. I do find that women here on Agnostic., compared to the mainstream population on sites like Batch, do tend to put more emphasis on brains and heart than looks, but even here there are exceptions, such as when I first joined on here and messaged a handful of women who ranged from average looking to above average looking. And struck out with all of them, never meeting a one of them. My guess is that, because they were all from Iowa, and thus, more part of the mainstream culture than most women on Agnostic, who tend to live in more progressive areas than Iowa, they have the same mindset about looks as the women on Batch in my area. Also, none of them appeared to be that interested in the atheist community in general, as they all left the site for good within a year or so after joining and also never got above level 2, seldom participating in the forums.

So new to this online dating thing.

Happycanuck comments on Apr 4, 2021:

Update. I have 4 ladies, who after talking on line who wish to meet me.Now. 2 on Elite singles, 1 on Match and one on Eharmony. We have all Googled each other. (These days I only have 1 page, used to be more) I find that shows me they are real. Where we live Ontario is now on a 28 day lockdown ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

Glad to hear you still have a few good prospects. You must have some bucks to pay for three different dating sites, but I suppose it keeps you busy and is an interesting hobby even if you don't find someone. I would be interested in hearing what feedback you are getting from the women on Match about why they are not interested in you for dating. I sometimes ask why to women who reject me as a potential match or view my profile more than once before never replying to my initial message. The reasons are usually helpful and also usually seem genuine rather than a lame excuse. The whole online dating process is a fascinating study in what makes people tick. I can only speak for myself, but personally I am not thick skinned enough to always ask women why they are not interested in me, both because I am not interested in adding to the rejection I already experience and also because in most cases their reasons are not a surprise to me and thus don't add much to my ongoing learning process. I also find it interesting that you haven't said anything about whether your having children has been or not been a reason that women were interested in meeting you for dating. In my experience, esp. with the women who do have kids, that seems to be a pretty common requirement for them as far as who they choose to connect with, even at our age when the kids are all grown and gone in most cases. I continue to find, esp. in my local dating pool, which may be more family-oriented than yours as far as the women and their choices, I continue to pay the price for being child-free by choice, same as I did when I was a young man, by being passed up for family men and guys who want or had kids. It continues to puzzle me why that continues to matter so much to women long after the age where they are done having and raising kids.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Lauren comments on Apr 8, 2021:

In my experience, this is pretty common among both men and women. Perhaps more commonly with narcissists, who always see themselves better than they are anyway? A couple of decades ago I was very ill and, between stress, meds, and immobility, became very heavy. It was stunning how many people ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

@Lauren Fortunately, only one of them relocated, but, even with him, we stay in touch regularly and I visit him at least a few times a year, since he only lives a few hours away.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2021:

Even tho I am prone to often use the F-word myself, I find the use here of the term unfuckable gratuitously vulgar and somewhat offensive. I wonder if the author is using it purposely to express anger towards men and possibly a bit of misandry on her part. Regardless, I feel it would be more ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

@HippieChick58 Agreed. I think most of us, male and female, that do not qualify as above average looking, have some anger at how we are treated in our superficial Kardashian society. The fact that I am much older than the author of the article is probably another reason why she chose that word rather than unattractive. When it comes to sex and attraction, I often feel like I am from another planet compared to younger folks today, esp. with their trend towards beginning the dating process with a "sex interview" in which they use that to decide whether to bother going on with the rest of the dating and discovery process, rather than the other way around, as I have always been taught to conduct it.

How Men Treat Women They Find Unfuckable

Lauren comments on Apr 8, 2021:

In my experience, this is pretty common among both men and women. Perhaps more commonly with narcissists, who always see themselves better than they are anyway? A couple of decades ago I was very ill and, between stress, meds, and immobility, became very heavy. It was stunning how many people ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

The friends that accept and support you no matter what are truly worth their weight in gold. That's why I have done my best to hold onto them and have several that I have known for 30 years or more.

At last some justice in a state not known for it

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 8, 2021:

Thank goodness for that, but I don't think the charges would have stuck and I think the public outcry would have made that a politically volatile conundrum.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2021:

Maybe she has a case for false arrest..

Hard to believe, I know.

dkp93 comments on Apr 7, 2021:

Really hard to have pity for the willfully ignorant people who continue to send him money.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 7, 2021:

A fool and their money are soon parted, and, in most cases, deservedly so...

My Predictions for Biden’s Probably-Truncated Presidency | Ted Rall's Rallblog

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 6, 2021:

This is obviously a sad, butt hurt Rethuglican moron who drank the damn Koolaid. Biden's doing just fine, it is nice to have a functioning adult back in the WH, we're all getting vaccinated; and Ted Rall can kiss my tiny hiney.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 7, 2021:

I accidentally Liked this comment when I was trying to do the same for the comment below this. Fat-fingered the click. I actually hate neoliberal corporate Dem pols and the DNC that supports and promotes them to the voters more than I do the Repub pols, because the Repub pols are at least somewhat honest about who they are and what they intend to do whenever they get power, mainly gutting regulation of business and corporations, tax cuts for the rich and corporations, oppressing minority groups, screwing workers and busting unions, and promoting more globalization of the economy. Corporate Dems support the same policies, as do their donors, but they lie to the voters and pretend to support unions and workers at election time, then throw them under the bus as soon as the voting is over.

Looks like I got arbitrarily booted out of the Agnostic.

BitFlipper comments on Apr 6, 2021:

What was the exact name of the Facebook group? The one I belong to is still there.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2021:

@BitFlipper I just did a search on FB and could not find it, probably because I am blocked from it.

White Evangelicals Are Still Major Obstacles in COVID Vaccination Efforts | Beth Stoneburner | ...

racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:

With any luck, the new strains of Covid will exact a heavy toll on the evangelicals, say 4-6 %? Darwin cannot act fast enough on them. If they get 'brain fog', how can anyone tell?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2021:

@racocn8 If it weren't for their contributions to virus mutations, I would be fine with letting the virus kill off their numbers, but it isn't that simple.

White Evangelicals Are Still Major Obstacles in COVID Vaccination Efforts | Beth Stoneburner | ...

racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:

With any luck, the new strains of Covid will exact a heavy toll on the evangelicals, say 4-6 %? Darwin cannot act fast enough on them. If they get 'brain fog', how can anyone tell?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2021:

Unfortunately, their refusal to be vaccinated will allow the virus to mutate enough times that our present vaccines will become ineffective against it.

Looks like I got arbitrarily booted out of the Agnostic.

BitFlipper comments on Apr 6, 2021:

What was the exact name of the Facebook group? The one I belong to is still there.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2021:

I'm really not sure and since I am banned, I can't go back and look it up, since the page and group are unavailable to me. I think it was Agnostic Friends. Try messaging Sticks48, as he is still a member of it. You could also try looking up Jo Goodwin Slaight's FB page, which would list it among her FB groups.

Three Agnostics in San Antonio today:

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 3, 2021:

All of you look great. Who are the other two?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2021:

@EyesThatSmile I thought that might be Larry. I hadn't heard of the other guy on here.

Feelings. Nothing more than feelings.

lerlo comments on Apr 2, 2021:

I beg to differ. Nothing better than when two people click.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2021:

@CurvyWoman And you are overly defensive, also possibly a misandrist. I have as much right to make generalizations about women as you do about men.

Feelings. Nothing more than feelings.

lerlo comments on Apr 2, 2021:

I beg to differ. Nothing better than when two people click.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2021:

@CurvyWoman You'll have to just take my word for it, but after enough rejection, because men usually have to make the first move so much of the time, whether it's messaging in online dating or approaching a woman in public, even having confidence is pretty hard to do. Esp. if you are at all a sensitive man. And yet, sensitive men make the best partners. So there is the paradox. Women want to meet a man who is confident from the outset, even if he is less likely to be what they need and want for the long haul.