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Well none of the ladies on this site who I've messaged have replied back.
kiramea comments on Mar 12, 2021:
FYI....... A lot of ladies look at your posts before they decide to reply. You haven't even been here a year, and have made like five posts. At least you have a profile (though very small).
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2021:
Most of the women here probably see a profile with not much info, few posts or comments in that long of a membership and they suspect the guy is either a scammer or has something else to hide.
Well none of the ladies on this site who I've messaged have replied back.
Leelu comments on Mar 12, 2021:
Then you get what you deserve.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2021:
I dated a Catholic woman for six months before Covid and then it broke up with Covid. I have to admit I would have preferred a woman who didn't believe, but she respected my non-belief and didn't push anything religious on me. Other than being a believer and being a political moderate, she was pretty compatible overall on personality and values.
About that border wall.
Surfpirate comments on Mar 12, 2021:
The road to Atheism is paved with well read bibles and korans and torahs, etc. etc., so it's more likely that the Blue states will have surplus bibles if a bit on the tattered side. Those Red state bibles are pristine, as if they were never cracked open because the owners can't read.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2021:
I agree, public education for K-12 in those red states tends to be downright pitiful...
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
Mooolah comments on Mar 11, 2021:
Perhaps vacationing in different areas of the country might expose you to a different gene pool. There is always the mail order bride. I would research where my best prospects are in the ratio of one gender to another. Iowa is very narrow in its politics which translates into less opportunities. I ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2021:
@Mooolah BTW, I think it was kind of cruel for you to suggest that I drop out and join the incel movement. That is basically suggesting that someone is repulsive and undateable, and I bet if a similar movement existed for women and I suggested here that you join it, you and all the other women on here would be all over me like a pack of dogs, so I take offense and insult at your suggestion.
Good News: You lose 1.49 oz for every hour of sleep!
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2021:
Are you saying that sleep shrinks your brain?
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2021:
@Spinliesel I wish you the best on both of them.
Senate confirms Merrick Garland as Biden's attorney general
Barnie2years comments on Mar 11, 2021:
He should have been on the Supreme Court. Hopefully this makes up for it in some way.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
Not really. An appointment that might last 4 years, most likely, vs. a lifetime appointment to the SC, I don't think there's any comparison.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@nicknotes Agreed, but looks do matter to me, at least initially, in whether I want to pursue a woman, because it affects whether I will be sexually attracted enough to her to desire going to that stage or step with her. I either feel chemistry or attraction or don't. And if I don't why bother getting to know someone if it's doomed to end at platonic friendship. At least if it starts with a dating site, I don't want to waste someone's time or lead them on.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
Mooolah comments on Mar 11, 2021:
Perhaps vacationing in different areas of the country might expose you to a different gene pool. There is always the mail order bride. I would research where my best prospects are in the ratio of one gender to another. Iowa is very narrow in its politics which translates into less opportunities. I ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@Mooolah I've had a lot of people on Agnostic, both male and female, validate that my looks are fine, tho average looking. So I am not going to drastically alter them. Again, I appreciate your comments and effort, but it is not for me, not my way. I can name a few other guys on Agnostic that are in the same boat, but I won't embarrass them by naming them. They, like me , are nice guys that have a lot to offer the right woman emotionally and relationship wise, even if we aren't the latest shiny new toy, but seem to be doomed to sit on the sidelines of the dating game. They just aren't as outspoken and assertive as me about standing up for their truth. There is nothing rude or inappropriate about sharing your own experience, whether it is similar or different, than the person you are addressing. What is presumptuous is to assume the other person is soliciting advice instead of or in addition to the experiences and insights of others, which is what I'm after whenever I share my experiences and perspectives on these forums. Some of us do not want or need to be "fixed", we just want to be heard, known by others, and maybe learn something from how others are different or the same. It is ironic that you, a woman are hearing me, a man, tell you this, when I can't count the number of times women have told me, " I don't want to be fixed or for you to fix the problem, I just want to be heard about it".
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
Mooolah comments on Mar 11, 2021:
PS I often suggest learning to dance when solicited for advice. Learn to cut a few subte moves. Even take a square dance course with a friend. Meet -up will come back after covid. But dancing is something women love to do.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
See my comment below. I realize you are trying to be helpful, but I did not ask for advice. BTW, I used to go dancing with my late wife and tried the Meetup dance groups before Covid, but they no longer seem to offer much in the way of single women who are my type. They used to way back when I met my late wife, but that was a couple decades ago and a lot fewer people show up for them these days. That fad has come and gone, it seems.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
Mooolah comments on Mar 11, 2021:
Perhaps vacationing in different areas of the country might expose you to a different gene pool. There is always the mail order bride. I would research where my best prospects are in the ratio of one gender to another. Iowa is very narrow in its politics which translates into less opportunities. I ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@Mooolah Sorry, actually not sorry, but I'm not going to drastically change my appearance or lower my expectations as far as a woman's looks or my dealbreakers on compatibility. You are correct that online dating makes it much more competitive than before it when all a man had to do to attract a woman was to meet her general expectations and standards. Nowadays, a guy not only has to meet those, but also be competitive with hundreds of other men at the same time that the woman has available to choose from on the dating site. So the average looking man gets left behind while the women go after or choose from only among the studs. As for the incel movement, no way, I am not a misogynist like those guys and will not drop out. I will just continue to be vocal about the struggle, whether you or other people, male or female, like it or not. I did not ask anyone for advice or to fix me, so they can shove their advice and judgement.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
Mooolah comments on Mar 11, 2021:
Perhaps vacationing in different areas of the country might expose you to a different gene pool. There is always the mail order bride. I would research where my best prospects are in the ratio of one gender to another. Iowa is very narrow in its politics which translates into less opportunities. I ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
I do intend to travel some after Covid settles down, but I am not going the mail order bride route. I'm 62 years old, a bit long in the tooth for that. As for finding women to date while traveling, I tried an Alaska cruise that had an organized singles group on it and couldn't find any women from my area that were interested in spending time with me on the cruise. The two that did were each from one of the coasts and the one woman in the group from my area flatly refused to talk to me after someone else in the group steered me to her. Guess my looks were not good enough for her standards and she was very blunt about it. She was above average looking, but by no means gorgeous or a knockout. Like I have said countless times, I have no emotional support from family, so I get all of it from my local friends. I can't afford to move away for better dating prospects and leave the friends behind. Too big a risk, like doing acrobatics without a net.
Another oddball profile on Batch.
HippieChick58 comments on Mar 10, 2021:
She's selling the idea that her stuff will make up for her shortcomings, whatever they might be.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@RonWilliam53 I can see your point, but I would rather the woman just state that fact in her profile essay, saying something like " I am financially secure, etc.". I don't need to see visual proof of her living standard, I'll take their word for it until proven otherwise. As for the older women showing off their motorcyles and cars that are sporty, fine, I will respect that and consider that accordingly in whether I feel they are compatible or not. Since I am anything but materialistic and not into status symbols and toys, those kind of things in profile photos are kind of a turn off for me, at least. It suggests the woman is into those things and probably of a different mindset than me, like wanting a man that is a status symbol for them to show off to their family and friends of how rich or "successful" he is or was, what a catch, etc.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@nicknotes I think that nowadays, when most women with a college education have enough money of their own, they are now thinking more like men and so choosing a man with good looks is now pretty important to most women. I just think most of them won't admit it. A while back I saw a FB post about the ex-fiancee of woman I was friends with. This woman is quite a looker and so are most of her female friends. It was rather telling in reading what this woman's friends had to say about the looks of her ex, who was photographed at a bar hitting on some woman, photo taken by a bystander that knew my female friend. Her friends had plenty to say about how he was bald, fat, etc. and clearly, in their mind, was not in her league lookswise. Fortunately, she was not as shallow as her friends and she ended up marrying a guy some months later that was balding, older than her, and clearly average looking compared to her knockout looks. No wonder she has not been able to fix me up with any of her female friends, tho she has said she will keep me in mind for that. Probably a waste of time, since her female friends are clearly not as open-minded as her about looks. But I bet none of them would admit it. But on that FB thread about her ex, they were thinking they were just having girl talk among themselves, so I got to hear how they really felt about looks.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
@nicknotes I used to know a woman from PWP. I once asked her why the group was all divorced people and didn't seem to include widowed people as well, maybe it did, I dunno. She said that she preferred to date and socialize only with men that had also been thru divorce and had shared her experience of being a parent. She was in her mid 40s at the time. I asked her, "Why not give widowed men and even childless men a chance if they are in your age group, as some of them are?" She said that it was more important for the man to have shared experience with her than for the man to have a better history of successful relationships than most divorced men. I told her that was a foolish attitude and that she was seeking sympathy and empathy over seriously trying to find a better relationship than her past marriages. She flatly refused to see my point and admit that she was practicing the definition of insanity. However, since she had knockout looks, she got more than enough interest and attention from men, and thus, had no incentive to look at herself and change anything about her on the inside.
Another oddball profile on Batch.
BitFlipper comments on Mar 11, 2021:
People seem to reflexively include pictures of things they take personal pride in. That's why men include pictures of fish and cars, and women include pictures of their grandchildren. Neither if which seem to have the intended effect.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2021:
You're right. The men's photos of cars and fish turn off most women and the women's photos of grandkids and their adult kids turn me off as the woman is too family-oriented for me, Next! I ? whether these very family-oriented women should even be on a dating site. I mean, what are they really looking for, a guy who will have sex with them during some of the woman's free time and spend the rest of his limited time with her that she allows as her escort on family visits to her kids and grandkids? Fuck that, I won't date a woman that makes it clear even in her profile that the man she dates is her third priority in life. I can't understand why there are apparently so many suckers that will settle for that. Maybe those guys should just find a woman for a FWB, since she would give them mostly the same thing as the family-oriented girlfriend.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
UrsiMajor comments on Mar 10, 2021:
I'm amazed at how many men in the dating scene seem to expect me to have kids and need them to be happy. I would think at some point, the kids are grown, move to the other side of the country, and you are left with your spouse to actually form an existence of some kind.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@UrsiMajor I individuated and distanced myself from my parents as soon as I had been away at college for a while, as I realized how dysfunctional my family was and how emotionally unsupportive and critical my parents were of me. So for me, these family and child centered women in their 60s seem like aliens to me.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
UrsiMajor comments on Mar 10, 2021:
I'm amazed at how many men in the dating scene seem to expect me to have kids and need them to be happy. I would think at some point, the kids are grown, move to the other side of the country, and you are left with your spouse to actually form an existence of some kind.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@UrsiMajor And the vast majority of women in my dating pool, esp. the divorced ones, are doing anything but that. I don't think it's healthy, and, apparently, neither do you. I know that most therapists would call that behavior emeshed and unhealthy, vs. being individuated and independent of your children and grandkids. Healthy people can still be involved with their families, but they do not cling to them to the exclusion or marignalization of an adult relationship with a partner. I think these women are afraid of attempting another one of those, but won't admit it.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
UrsiMajor comments on Mar 10, 2021:
I'm amazed at how many men in the dating scene seem to expect me to have kids and need them to be happy. I would think at some point, the kids are grown, move to the other side of the country, and you are left with your spouse to actually form an existence of some kind.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
Too bad you aren't living in my area. I am the opposite of those men and also of the women in my area. Even when they are in their 60s, the women still seem to be emeshed and wrapped up tight with their adult kids and their grandkids, rather than actually seeming to be that interested in getting to know a new man and spending most of their free time doing couple things. Which is why I seriously ? why most of them are on a dating site, unless they are mainly just seeking a sex partner that will serve as their escort for their family visits and someone to get their family to quit worrying that mom and grandma is still alone. In my dating pool, even with the women who are childless, being a childless man is the kiss of death with most of them. Conformity rules out over everything else here in corn country... It seems to me that, esp. the divorced women in my local dating pool on Match, seem to be hiding behind and clinging to their kids and grandkids as a security blanket instead of opening themselves to a new real relationship or partnership with a man, like they are protecting themselves against hurt or disappointment that might happen by letting a man become the main focus of their life again. In my opinion, those women should get some therapy and grieve their divorce instead of joining a dating site first like they seem to be doing.
Anybody else from here live in the Midwest, like me?
freedom41 comments on Mar 10, 2021:
I'm in the same boat you are.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
You probably are. IL is just as Bible Belt and Midwest family-oriented as Iowa, no doubt. How far away from Chicago is Jacksonville and how big is the pop. there? Would you agree that our kind of dating population would be much larger and better in Chicago? Why do you stay in Jacksonville, family or friends, same as me? In my case, I only stay because of friends. Just looked at your profile and it answers my ? Looks like you live in SW IL, far away from any cities of any size. I pity you the same as me. Looks like St. Louis, MO is the nearest area with any women that might be your type. And I bet that is still pretty LD for dating. Des Moines has a couple hundred women my age on Match that have some things in common with me, but very few that are my type. And for those I am competing with probably a few hundred or more men. Thus, the dilemma.
I'll let this stand on it's own for this group.
glennlab comments on Feb 28, 2021:
The difference is the pet owners are not organized like the child owners are. They banded together to bar discrimination, pet owners still haven't gotten over their preference for their pet of choice over other's choice. cats over/under dogs, fish over reptiles, birds etc.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
Ain't it the truth, like everything involving legislation and lobbying. Why do the rich, corporations, and the military get all the breaks and money from the govt.? Because they have so many lobbyists and the best ones. Childless folks, like all the rest of us peasants, have no lobbyists.
Another oddball profile on Batch.
HippieChick58 comments on Mar 10, 2021:
She's selling the idea that her stuff will make up for her shortcomings, whatever they might be.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
That was my take as well. Any healthy, well-adjusted person would have photos of just themselves, maybe of themselves and their kids or friends, but showing off your home and your cars instead seems very exhibitionistic or compensating. It's good to remember the nightclub comedian's slight exaggeration regarding profile photos, namely that the only photo most people want to see, esp. of a man, is a naked, or at least one revealing their build, pic of someone on a scale holding a financial statement that is visible to read...
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes At least she was honest, I'll give her that. She could have just held her tongue and got the free dinner, like most women who think like her would do. I can't count the number of women I've encountered thru online dating that expect a man to be a high status, high income white collar professional, or at least have the same kind of money as one, in order to be good enough for them. Her bluntness cost her a free dinner. Personally, I always meet women for a coffee meeting before I would arrange a dinner date with them. After a coffee meeting, in which I always offer to pay for the coffee, I can usually tell or end up finding out if I have enough bucks for them in their mind. The women make up their mind based on how I dress and what I say in the coffee meeting to decide if I am good enough or rich enough for them, so I never need to worry about wasting money on a dinner date with someone looking for a status symbol or a meal ticket. That woman proves in spades what guys have said for decades, that some women are only looking for men that are and have status symbols, like a sports car. No wonder those cars are called chick magnets, at least magnets for status seekers and golddiggers. I'm guessing your woman looked like a solid 9. I personally have never met a 10.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes That's a rather extreme exaggeration, even tho I know it's sarcastic. There are plenty of good looking women in the profiles I see on Match. The problem is that almost all of them have traits that either run up against my dealbreakers and make them uncompatible for me, or they ignore my messages because I don't have the kind of looks or other qualities they are looking for. Remember that I only get replies to about 5-10% of the women I message. I have to think that looks are probably a big reason for that. Too many women that are a 6 or a 7 in looks that will not settle for 5 or 6 that is bald, not athletic looking, and doesn't dress like he has big bucks. At least, that's my guess for a lot of my rejections. The rest of them are probably accounted for because of my politics, being non-religious, and being childless, since all the family-oriented women only want men with kids.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes Trust me, Nick, the country music dealbreaker is reasonable and necessary for me. It literally makes my skin crawl to hear it inside a home or a car. I grew up in a rural part of Iowa in a small hick city and I have done my best to keep my back turned on it as much as possible while still living in Iowa. I could handle dating a woman who liked country music some, but only as long as she respected my tastes enough to not try to drag me to a country concert or play country music in the car or home. I don't think that's unreasonable and there are plenty of people on either coast, or even in Chicago or Minneapolis that feel the same way, but don't have to deal with it because in their dating pools it's such a non-issue with how in those areas of the country, most people prefer rock, blues, etc. way more than country.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes There are probably lots of things one could do, unethically, that would help in meeting the kind of woman I am after, but they wouldn't work out in the end. One could use fake photos of someone else in order to get a woman's interest. But after the first video chat or in person meeting, that cover would be blown. One could lie about their background or preferences in order to entice women who would otherwise screen you out based on your profile or messaging, but the facade would eventually fall apart after you had been seeing them a while. There are undoubtedly more examples that I am too ethical or lazy to come up with...
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes No, and that's why there would be no point in writing a book, etc., because I know how the game works, but I don't really have any ideas on how one can ethically work the game to improve your odds or my odds of getting the partner I want. If you already know what your dealbreakers are, and that they are necessary for compatibility with someone, you can't really afford to change those. The other big factor is one's looks. Unless you have the money and the willingness to get plastic surgery, there's also nothing you can do about your looks, other than hit the gym and build a better body. I'm not really interested in changing my face or body that much. So that's where it is, I have to get by using only what I have, both for looks and dealbreakers. And believe me, my dealbreakers are very reasonable, just not very well-suited to the dating pool in my area. I won't date someone that is a big fan of country music, won't date someone strongly religious, won't date a conservative, or someone who is strongly family-oriented, a heavy drinker or a daily smoker. Those are all reasonable and would not be much of a barrier on either coast or in a large city, but they sure as hell are in Iowa, even around its largest city, Des Moines. But I'm not going to date LD or move away from my friends just to get a better dating pool. I could also wear a rug or get hair transplants, since being bald is also obviously a big turnoff to a lot, if not most women in my local dating pool, even tho I think most of them would never admit it. But I'm not going to do that because if it's that big a deal to them, I don't want any of those women.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2021:
@nicknotes I do. I could probably teach a class or write a book on it, but what would be the point? It probably wouldn't help the average person do any better in the game.
Love and mental health connection Anyone?
bobwjr comments on Mar 7, 2021:
Keeps you going and wanting to
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2021:
Having hope that you will possibly find a loving partner again is what allows most people to continue living and coping. Without it, most men fall into slow death thru decay and decline in their physical and mental health. That's why most widowers who remain single don't last that long.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2021:
@nicknotes I agree that as I get older my sense of time about the past, as well as the present, gets distorted. I realize you were/are trying to be helpful, but, unlike a lot of the people on this forum, I do have it figured out, because, unlike most of them, I have been doing the research personally for some time now. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that I know a lot more about the dating game than most people. It's just a sad fact. I also want to again point out to all that I do not post here to ask for advice, I post to share my experience, see if others have the same experience or not, and hear the comments, both validating and invalidating or differing from my experience, but not to get advice. The fact that many people apparently ignore or don't notice this is not my fault, it's theirs. And it's also not my fault if they feel butt hurt that I don' thank them for their unsolicited advice or kiss their ass. Listen, Nick, there is nothing to feel bad, hurt, or whatever about trying to be helpful, but having it revealed that you have nothing to add or help regarding my experience. So just chalk it up to a well-meant error on your part. We all do that from time to time, including me. I guess I'm different, being a former social worker who was married to a social worker, and having a few friends as well who are social workers, that I don't offer advice to people very often, and usually only after they clearly ask for it. It's not your fault that our society conditions people to believe that people sharing their problems automatically requires you to help or give them advice in order to prove or act as a nice or good person. You obviously are one, Nick, so you don't have to prove that every time to some stranger. I usually consider the likelihood that the other person knows as much or more about themselves and their situation than I ever will, so why should I automatically offer them advice?
Been off for a bit, password issues.
RobinGray comments on Mar 8, 2021:
Oh and to top that off, this afternoon another man emailed me. Conversation started off nice enough. He asked what it would take for me to meet him. I said I'm vaccinated and I expect the same, meeting is just that at first right now. He responded that he didn't need a vaccine he got covid last ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2021:
I got Covid last Dec., despite being very careful. My luck just ran out, I think. But instead of being in jail, I was only in a voluntary form of house arrest, lol.
Won't happen on the other side in Texas
mischl comments on Mar 9, 2021:
I like her, and I like her politics. But her smile can be scary...I worry that she might bite.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2021:
She does have a very intense. expressive face, which in photos may look scary. I have seen her speak in person, and in that mode she does not come off scary or even as that intense, just energetic and passionate. She is a love her or hate her sort of person.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2021:
@nicknotes Man, you need to get out more. No, there haven't been personal ads since the 1980s. Before the internet, there were voice personals, which I used in the 1990s, after the regular print personal ads went away. The voice personals went away as soon as PCs came into use and Match.com began. I had way more success back when there were voice personals and I think it was for two reasons. One, the voice personals had no pics attached to your ad, so all you had to go by was the self description of your looks in the voice ad and the print ad that had your ad # in the newspaper that printed the ads. So people could lie about their looks, which I didn't but some women did, in my experience. So in that situation, an honest average-looking guy like me actually stood a chance of meeting a good-looking woman, unlike now with the photos as part of the profile. It made for some interesting first meetings. One time a woman showed up, reluctantly, and admitted to me that she stood at the door after seeing me waiting for her and debated with herself whether to actually come in and meet me rather than just stand me up because my looks weren't what she expected. I told her that she wasn't doing me any favors by coming inside out of pity or virtue signaling on her part. So in effect, I told her off and she left. Another woman, who was a true 9 in looks, the only 9 I've ever met in person from dating services, came in, politely told me she wasn't attracted to me after I sized up her facial reaction and asked her about it, but she sat down with me and watched the movie we arranged to see. That was the beginning of a great two year platonic friendship. She was as beautiful on the inside as the outside, like something out of the movie Shallow Hal. I also think the other reason I had more success, at least in getting to meet a good number of women from the voice personals, was that the gender ratio was probably a lot more even then than it ever is on dating sites. It's been widely reported that about all dating sites have way more men on them than women, no matter what age group is involved. Probably because women are more reluctant to use the sites and because men are more likely to do the pursuing, both IRL and on dating sites. So if women are getting attention IRL, more than men, they have less need and incentive to use a dating site. I've heard lots of women on Agnostic who are above average looking say they get plenty of attention from men IRL, so this is validated. Using dating sites, I have never met a woman in person who was better looking than an 8, and even then, it has been extremely rare. The photos are brutally important in that arena and I am resigned to the fact that I will be really lucky if I am ever going to actually meet anyone who is even a 7 ...
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waitingforgodo comments on Mar 8, 2021:
The video does not support your ludicrously jejune contentions about the mainstream medical profession.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 8, 2021:
@Castlepaloma American lifespans are declining because of greater poverty, more unemployment, and, as a result of those less access to health care and adequate nutrition. Also greater stress and healthcare becoming more unaffordable once you get seriously ill. Those are the reasons for shorter lifespans, not crimes of the medical profession. You are a deluded fanatic.
Democratic Senator Kyrsten Sinema gives a nonchalant curtsy as she votes down legislation that would...
nogod4me comments on Mar 8, 2021:
She has always been a problem, vote her out.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 8, 2021:
Not likely in AZ. They would probably just elect a Repub instead if she got primaryed and lost.
How to be happy spending money.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 7, 2021:
In the last few years, I have inherited enough money, along with now getting SS Survivor's Benefits, that I am financially comfortable for the first time in my adult life. And unless I have a stroke or some serious illness that drains all my money, I am fairly set for life. But it's come at the cost...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 8, 2021:
@nicknotes I've been using Match for most of three years, little success. There's really nothing else to try that I haven't already done. Meetup groups are useless, been there, tried them. The women there are the same ones that are on Match and also the women at Meetup groups all tend to be traditional-minded Christians, so they are a waste of time there too.
Millionaire Moderate Democrats Vote Down Minimum Wage Increase While millions of American ...
1BrentMichael comments on Mar 7, 2021:
And they wonder why people think there's no difference in the parties! There is, but it's not enough!
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 7, 2021:
When it comes to issues of money and class, there really is no difference, which is why 80 million eligible voters drop out.
Well Joe, perhaps if you left some oxygen in the room for them, the Repudlican Party could survive.
nicknotes comments on Mar 6, 2021:
I can't imagine that any intelligent person could possibly vote for Republicans after not even one Republican voted for the 1.9 Trillion dollar covid aid bill.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 6, 2021:
@nicknotes I do too and what we really need is someone more like him than centrist, "Nothing will change" Joe..., but our system is too bought and corrupt while most of our voters are still too stupid and stuck in either dropping out or voting within the duopoly.
Klingenschmitt: I Lost My Navy Chaplain Gig 15 Years Ago Due to “Cancel Culture” | Hemant Mehta ...
Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Military chaplains can be real assholes. I got sent to as catholic priest, fucking commander, asshole while in the Navy. I had put no preference in my religion and a "family" issue arose while on cruise. Long story, short answer, the dick priest pulled rank and ordered me to write a letter to my ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 6, 2021:
@yvilletom Time to block, you ass.
Klingenschmitt: I Lost My Navy Chaplain Gig 15 Years Ago Due to “Cancel Culture” | Hemant Mehta ...
Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Military chaplains can be real assholes. I got sent to as catholic priest, fucking commander, asshole while in the Navy. I had put no preference in my religion and a "family" issue arose while on cruise. Long story, short answer, the dick priest pulled rank and ordered me to write a letter to my ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@yvilletom And why should I care?
Are you paying your Fair Share of Taxes [youtube.com]
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Payroll and sales taxes are very regressive. The payroll tax gap is justified by the rich and their allies because the rich don't need Medicare or SS, and they also don't feel any obligation to support programs they don't need just to help their workers who create their wealth or pick their cotton, ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@dermot235 Beats me. Tens of millions of us should have been after them with pitchforks, as well as after the pols they bought to screw us over. Maybe we let it happen out of a naive belief that the rich and the pols would never destroy or cut SS or Medicare. But that is now proving to be a foolish belief. As far as changing it, I have lost hope ever since Bernie lost again and then gave up. If he and AOC seriously tried to start a third party, I might have hope again. If our pols were actually responsive to the masses, we would have removed the cap on SS and Medicare taxed earnings long ago, restored the income taxes back to the pre-Reagan rates, and added a wealth tax, but our bought pols have done none of those.
It is believed a doctor died after receiving the coved vaccine.
K9Kohle789 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
I have so little trust in our government after the last 4 yrs I am inclined to believe when they give you the covid shot they're inserting RFID chips so they can spy on you more knowlegably. If you think I'm over reacting there are satellites that see thru your house, your pajamas and whatever ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
I suppose that next you'll be saying that Soylent Green is people....
Saw another ridiculous profile today from a woman in her mid-50s from my area.
HippieChick58 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
That sounds to me like one hot mess. Who has time for that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@JimG That type never seeks help. They delude themselves that the problem is completely with the guys they end up with and refuse to ever own any pattern.
Saw another ridiculous profile today from a woman in her mid-50s from my area.
RonWilliam53 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Translation:I need some nice guy to take care of my emotional wants but some bad guy to get me off. A keeper for sure.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@RonWilliam53 True that.. Maybe she needs a friend who is a gay male to fill that role without jealousy.
Klingenschmitt: I Lost My Navy Chaplain Gig 15 Years Ago Due to “Cancel Culture” | Hemant Mehta ...
Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Military chaplains can be real assholes. I got sent to as catholic priest, fucking commander, asshole while in the Navy. I had put no preference in my religion and a "family" issue arose while on cruise. Long story, short answer, the dick priest pulled rank and ordered me to write a letter to my ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@yvilletom Trying to insult me or do you just want to be blocked, Tom? My father served during the Korean War. I figure that's enough for my family. At least he enjoyed his service, but then again, he and I did not get along well..
Klingenschmitt: I Lost My Navy Chaplain Gig 15 Years Ago Due to “Cancel Culture” | Hemant Mehta ...
Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Military chaplains can be real assholes. I got sent to as catholic priest, fucking commander, asshole while in the Navy. I had put no preference in my religion and a "family" issue arose while on cruise. Long story, short answer, the dick priest pulled rank and ordered me to write a letter to my ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
One reason I would never join the military. It is a form of slavery and indentured servitude, the amount of power they hold over you. Even worse than in any civilian job.
Saw another ridiculous profile today from a woman in her mid-50s from my area.
HippieChick58 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
That sounds to me like one hot mess. Who has time for that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
@HippieChick58 Believe me, if a woman has the looks, no matter how psycho she might be, there will be guys that will be attracted to her, if for nothing but the sex and the challenge. Some guys can be just as addicted to drama as any woman.
Saw another ridiculous profile today from a woman in her mid-50s from my area.
RonWilliam53 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
Translation:I need some nice guy to take care of my emotional wants but some bad guy to get me off. A keeper for sure.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
It also means that she will continually friendzone the nice guy she dates while the bad boy will score with her on the first or second date.
Saw another ridiculous profile today from a woman in her mid-50s from my area.
HippieChick58 comments on Mar 5, 2021:
That sounds to me like one hot mess. Who has time for that.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 5, 2021:
Her looks are above average and that by itself ensures she will get plenty of interest.
Good Advice
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 3, 2021:
I agree with that reasoning, but, human nature being what it is, most people who did the wrong thing during Covid will simply lie and give the PC response so they can avoid being rejected by people who did do the right thing during Covid. It's like asking someone from a dating site if they voted for...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 3, 2021:
@Dhiltong But I am always quite serious, and don't call me Shirley... (It's a joke from the movie Airplane!).
I never do THAT on a first date...Anyone want to add some lies...
azzow2 comments on Mar 3, 2021:
My brother would have his friend call him so he could coach his friend through the date. That must have been hilarious to watch through the wait staff's eyes.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 3, 2021:
@EyesThatSmile I wouldn't play that game either. I am honest enough to politely end the date if it's running too long or the woman is acting inappropriately. I think we could all benefit from coaching if it was thru a mic in our ears so it was not distracting or conspicuous, but that only happens on reality shows.
I suppose someone might quibble with the numbers (I haven't crunched them), but the point remains - ...
Marionville comments on Mar 2, 2021:
I agree...the disparity of wealth distribution is obscene ...especially when people are starving and struggling to pay for food and shelter...and yet the richest amongst us keep getting richer.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 3, 2021:
@Canndue As George Carlin used to say, " They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe in it", well, I would add, you have to be asleep if you are sane and rational...
I suppose someone might quibble with the numbers (I haven't crunched them), but the point remains - ...
Marionville comments on Mar 2, 2021:
I agree...the disparity of wealth distribution is obscene ...especially when people are starving and struggling to pay for food and shelter...and yet the richest amongst us keep getting richer.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 3, 2021:
@Canndue The majority of them are ok with it because they have the delusion that someday either they or their children will become rich. They are sorely mistaken.
I suppose someone might quibble with the numbers (I haven't crunched them), but the point remains - ...
Marionville comments on Mar 2, 2021:
I agree...the disparity of wealth distribution is obscene ...especially when people are starving and struggling to pay for food and shelter...and yet the richest amongst us keep getting richer.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 3, 2021:
@Canndue They have their gated communities, secure private compounds for the super rich, with high tech security and their own private security forces. They don't even need the cops to protect them in most cases, unless a mob of thousands showed up with guns, in which case they would call in the cops to help out.
Happy birthday, Lou Reed.
TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 2, 2021:
Actually Lou disdained the whole hippie scene, as well as the fashion and the ethos, so it's ironic you posted this here. I think he identified more with the beatnik scene, esp. the Beat poets.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 2, 2021:
@Spinliesel Understood.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
Julie808 comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I haven't been on a dating site for years, but if you don't find one that delivers the type of person you're interested in meeting, you might consider joining a meet up group for an interest you have. While the focus is not on dating, just socializing, the clubs I've belonged to have had several ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@Julie808 I replied because you made a very negative judgement about me and it was not accurate. I hear no apology here from you, so I will not just put it out of my mind. I will remember it about you and weigh it accordingly in anything else you post regarding me in the future. Not everybody needs your kind of protection from the opposite sex and not everybody is like you in that they prefer the safety and comfort of activity social groups for making platonic friends and also potential dating partners with all kinds of buffers and delays to slow down and complicate the discovery process between people and the process of possibly finding a mate thru a group process rather than the old fashioned, more common process of solo dating. You do you and I'll do me. Just think twice before judging me or any other man negatively because I prefer the solo dating process over your group process and my frank admission that I want to date and meet women that not only have the qualities I would want in a platonic friend, but also at least the potential, on my part, of being physically attracted to them soon, if not already at the time I meet them or encounter them on a dating site thru their photos. I don't want to lead women on into thinking I am or will eventually be physically attracted to them if that is not or not likely to be the case. I think that is selfish and actually a form of game playing and manipulation. It seems to me tho, from what you have written, that you think that is proper and acceptable, as you prefer a long, drawn-out form of courtship with a man beginning with him showing up at your group and proving himself to you and your peers, while all the while you sit back and coyly keep your feelings to yourself about whether he might be more than friendzone material with you. If you think that is ideal, then fine, but as far as I'm concerned, Julie, life is too damn short for all that jazz and I would rather just spend time with someone alone and find out in a matter of weeks whether this is going to pan out or not, being honest and as open as possible with the woman as I go. I think most people, male and female, prefer it more my way than yours, but you're entitled to your own path. Just don't you dare try to say that your way or your own mindset is superior or more proper or honorable than mine. I live alone, Julie, same as you, but even before Covid I chose the solo dating, more direct process of courtship and dating over your more indirect, group, drawn-out approach to meeting, screening, and discovering members of the opposite sex as to whether they were suitable people for you to partner with. My approach and preference are just as legitimate as yours and I resent in your earlier comments how you tried to imply that I or my approach ...
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
MsHoliday comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I was on POF five years ago. No scammers. l live in a small city where most people have lived here forever or were born here. So it was easy to vet them. Even so, I could not keep a relationship going. I am sure it was because I was looking for a feminist man in an area that is a ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@whiskywoman All of that is true. I have read and also observed in my own experience with dating sites that there are some women that are on there solely to entertain themselves and feed their egos, so they will trade messages with men and enjoy the attention, but they have no real interest in meeting anyone or engaging in dating.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
Julie808 comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I haven't been on a dating site for years, but if you don't find one that delivers the type of person you're interested in meeting, you might consider joining a meet up group for an interest you have. While the focus is not on dating, just socializing, the clubs I've belonged to have had several ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@Julie808 You're putting words in my mouth, Julie. I want to date women who would otherwise be friends, platonic friends if they were not single or held no mutual physical attraction for me or them. You know what I meant, I think, so don't try to play the game of saying I am some misogynist who doesn't want the same positive qualities in a partnership that I want in a platonic friendship with a woman or a friendship with a man. You are showing your own biases and prejudices in that move you made at the beginning of your reply. I already have enough male friends and platonic female friends, and before Covid I was busy enough I didn't need the kind of activity groups you seem to enjoy. I also don't use dating sites to find and make female platonic friends and I doubt very many men or women are different than me in not joining dating sites to make platonic friends. You are so wrong about me, but it shows how judgmental and biased you are against men unless they spell out for you every detail of how they proceed in the dating process. So, I will endeavor to do so, not that I owe you that, but for the benefit of the rest of the group that might be more open-minded. I don't join those groups because I don't want to waste my time on them or duplicate my dating efforts. So those precious groups don't have to worry about me creating "drama" in them. And BTW, who are you to act as the admission committee anyway over the intentions of people who join those groups, Julie? When I approach a woman, whether it's on a dating site thru an initial message, or in person at a live music show, for example, I do so with an attitude of getting to know them gradually and eventually progressing from a friendship, spending time together, and later, after a few dates to several dates, depending on both my comfort and theirs, initiating or exploring a sexual and romantic relationship. Unlike you, I don't need a bubble group of friends to protect me or provide insulation against the opposite sex, I'm a grownup who can handle whatever behavior women throw my way and take care of it myself. As I spend more time with a woman and go out on more dates with them, I hope to develop a deep friendship as well as explore shared interests and enjoy a physical relationship as well over time. Friendship, a romantic relationship, sex, and a committed partnership are not mutually exclusive things, Julie, much as you try to make them sound like they are or accuse others of treating as mutually exclusive. I think that sounds pretty typical of most men and women on the dating scene, Julie, despite your attitude that I and maybe most men are just interested in sex and dating women who are not the kind we would otherwise choose to be friends with. If anything, I am less aggressive and hasty ...
I have now received two letters from the Veterans Administration informing me me that I qualify for ...
KKGator comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I'm still waiting for my turn. As soon as it's available to me, I'm getting it. So far, I've been lucky and haven't gotten the virus, but I'm not about to play the odds if I don't have to.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
I got Covid back in Dec. and had only mild symptoms, but that may only have been because I had the Regeneron therapy a few days after I got sick. I will wait my turn, until likely this summer, to get the vaccine, but will take it as soon as it's offered. I will then get back out into the world and start living again by going to public events and attempting to date again, tho still wearing a mask when appropriate and not doing any tourist travelling until Covid becomes low risk. I am tired of living the hermit life for the last year and want to move on while I still have decent health.
Biden expresses support for Amazon union vote in Alabama: ‘Make your voice heard’ [cnbc.com]
FearlessFly comments on Mar 1, 2021:
The worker's share of profits has fallen throughout history and if the federal minimum wage had kept up with inflation it would be over $20/hr, if it had kept up with worker productivity it would be over $22, and if it had kept up with executive compensation it would be over $30.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
The worker's share of profits began falling in 1973 for several reasons: The Dem Party no longer supporting workers or unions, unions becoming weaker and more irrelevant as membership plummeted and unions were busted, automation, and finally, globalization of the world economy and lower-skilled jobs shipped overseas as manufacturing in the US was given away to China and other third world countries thru terrible trade agreements (that is terrible for everyone except the super rich and multinational corporations).
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TimeOutForMe comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I gave up on these sites in 2012. I don't know of a "reliable" site and not interested in finding out any longer 😊
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
They are all about the same. Probably the best bet is to use the site that has the largest membership pool in your local area for your age group. In most cases, that will still be Match.com, simply because it has been around the longest, so it draws the most members simply out of name recognition and being popular so long.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 28, 2021:
No doubt about it, online dating is a cesspool. But the sad truth is that after age 50, when you're no longer in any kind of school and all your longtime friends are smugly married and not able to fix you up with anyone because they only know other married people, online dating really is your only ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@TheoryNumber3 I hear you. At least the dogs aren't snobs and welcome petting from any nice person, more than you can say for the humans. It sucks to be older and single, not by choice. And I'm so sick of smug marrieds as well as some other singles parroting the party line that there is something wrong with me if I am still unhappy with being alone after several years of being alone instead of not embracing the bliss of singlehood, learning to love myself, and all that other happy horseshit they say to shut us up and criticize us as being dysfunctional and unhealthy for wanting to be with someone again and being vocal about it. As the Brits would say, " Bollocks to all your happy talk!".
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 28, 2021:
No doubt about it, online dating is a cesspool. But the sad truth is that after age 50, when you're no longer in any kind of school and all your longtime friends are smugly married and not able to fix you up with anyone because they only know other married people, online dating really is your only ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@TheoryNumber3 It does sound like they pitied you at first. If they later stopped including you, I can guess that the reasons were that you may have been seen as a threat to the security of their marriages or that your presence as a divorced person threatened their sense of security as a smug married that they could end up like you. Either reason could be something they were not even aware of feeling regarding you, but it still stinks and was very disloyal of them to stop including you and treating you as an equal to them. The funny, ironic thing is that after my late wife died, I attended a grief support group for widowed people for several months. This group seems almost like a variation of your group. They would have a monthly meeting which would mostly be a prepared program by a speaker and then a fellowship time while people ate treats that were brought. They also would have a monthly dinner at a restaurant so people could socialize some more and mix, but after attending a couple of those monthly dinners it became clear that the group was very cliquey and that I was never really going to fit in or be included socially there. It seemed that most of the longtime members grew up in Des Moines and attended one of the two high schools there that served the elite families there. And I grew up in another part of the state, so I clearly was never going to be included in that clique. And if that wasn't enough, it was clear at the first dinner that almost everyone there but a handful of people were already coupled up and dating each other.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
BitFlipper comments on Mar 1, 2021:
The bullshit that comes with online dating is the same as the bullshit that comes with real-world dating. It's just compressed.
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
Exactly right, and so is the screening process. The advantage of online dating is that you can encounter, screen, and potentially meet so many more people than you could in several years of trying to meet people organically. It does save a lot of time and expose you to a lot more people in a short time, at least potentially.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
whiskywoman comments on Mar 1, 2021:
its always harder for men lots of botts and women who pretend they are not there to get laid or that the sight of a cock offends them ..... and half of the women you talk to meet and some of the men also are liars they don't show up ..... also there are more men than women ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
I believe all of those are true. That's why an average-looking man meeting a compatible woman is really against the odds, esp. if, like me, you are a liberal, child-free hipster in the middle of a dating pool that is pretty much country music-loving, Christian, family-oriented women.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
Julie808 comments on Mar 1, 2021:
I haven't been on a dating site for years, but if you don't find one that delivers the type of person you're interested in meeting, you might consider joining a meet up group for an interest you have. While the focus is not on dating, just socializing, the clubs I've belonged to have had several ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
Meetup groups are fine if you are needing more activities, need to make more friends, or need more socialization, but I have tried them for the purpose of meeting women to date. This was before Covid, and I already had enough friends and enough things to keep me occupied. I found that the same women who went to the Meetup groups were on the dating sites, so I quit the groups. There seemed to be no point to it since it duplicated my efforts on the dating site. I'm just saying that if your real interest is in finding dating partners, you won't gain anything by joining the groups, since the same people are already on the dating sites. As a practical matter towards meeting women to date from joining Meetup groups, the two things you might gain from the Meetup groups is that one, you might find a male friend that could be your wingman for attending public events where you could meet women, and, secondly, you might meet some other singles who could set you up with single friends of theirs.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 28, 2021:
No doubt about it, online dating is a cesspool. But the sad truth is that after age 50, when you're no longer in any kind of school and all your longtime friends are smugly married and not able to fix you up with anyone because they only know other married people, online dating really is your only ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@TheoryNumber3 Thanks. I like to know what I'm talking about.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 28, 2021:
No doubt about it, online dating is a cesspool. But the sad truth is that after age 50, when you're no longer in any kind of school and all your longtime friends are smugly married and not able to fix you up with anyone because they only know other married people, online dating really is your only ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@TheoryNumber3 And besides not being any help in fixing you up with anyone, the married friends also don't want to hear about your dating woes at all, probably because they find it threatening and they can't relate or understand it at all. So the only people you can gripe about it to are other singles and your therapist, lol.
So over the last couple of months I've been making a foray into the online dating scene.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 28, 2021:
No doubt about it, online dating is a cesspool. But the sad truth is that after age 50, when you're no longer in any kind of school and all your longtime friends are smugly married and not able to fix you up with anyone because they only know other married people, online dating really is your only ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 1, 2021:
@Cyklone I'm 62 and it's already terrible trying to meet someone.
No Human Rights in Texas The people of Texas suffer unnecessarily from bad weather because their ...
altschmerz comments on Feb 27, 2021:
Someone told me he's heard people blame socialism for what happened in Texas. 🤦 Those are probably the same people who think Biden is a communist ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 27, 2021:
Anyone who puts the words Biden and far left, radical, socialist, communist etc. together in the same sentence if either a shameless liar or a complete ignoramus.
Is This any Way To run a Railroad? [propublica.org]
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 25, 2021:
Inside job, just like 9-11. They had the intel and knew it was coming. Could have stopped it, didn't want to. Same old shit, different people in command.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 27, 2021:
@BirdMan1 I don't know it all by any means, but I know from the info available that the commission report is as much a fairly tale as the Warren Commission, and for the same reasons.
I have lived in Portland five years!, not a single day of those years have I truly experienced ...
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 26, 2021:
I have no idea what it must feel like being black on a site made up almost completely of white non-believers. But I do feel your pain and understand, as do some other male members, what it's like to be part of another group of middle-aged and older men that it seems most women do not want to date, ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 27, 2021:
@Humanlove You've had some interesting experiences, to say the least..
Is This any Way To run a Railroad? [propublica.org]
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 25, 2021:
Inside job, just like 9-11. They had the intel and knew it was coming. Could have stopped it, didn't want to. Same old shit, different people in command.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 26, 2021:
@BirdMan1 You're entitled to your opinion. Try debating it here and I'll block you. I won't waste my future time on someone who buys that whitewash job.
On being secretive - no photos.
Tutankhamun comments on Feb 24, 2021:
I've always hated having my picture taken and I literally run from camerss. I had a dating profile a while back and finding recent pics to post was painful lol. I dont feel I'm photogenic and do much better in real life. Needless to say online dating is not the place for me to find a date.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 25, 2021:
In online dating these days, the photos carry huge weight in who gets chosen for messaging and who doesn't. The messaging matters, but not nearly as much as the pics, like it or not.
Atheists and believers have different moral compasses | Live Science
Behind-the-dog comments on Feb 24, 2021:
Very interesting link. If I'm reading it correctly, I get the sense that the average nonbeliever's moral compass tends to function at a higher stage of [Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development) than the average ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 24, 2021:
I have always been fascinated by Kohlberg's Stages Of Moral Development. It's obvious that the more one is a conformist, which correlates with religious beliefs most of the time, the lower they are on the Moral Development Stages.
Basically, you I’m just looking for some attention I need someone that can keep my company and ...
Mooolah comments on Feb 24, 2021:
The site began as a dating site & evolved into a social discourse site. Some have met here. It is what you make of it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 24, 2021:
@Mooolah There's no danger with them if one is reasonably intelligent in how you use them. My only injuries have been hurt feelings. The dating sites provide complete protection of your identity until the point that you decide to exchange phone numbers, e-mail addys or meet in person. All one needs to do before taking that plunge is trade enough messages to determine if the other person is stable enough to make that leap. After meeting in person, if you are concerned about your safety, you can always ask for their full name and run a background check online for $20. The first meeting should always be in a public place and so should the next few if you still need that for your own peace of mind. Nobody who is healthy would be offended with that. If one does FB, it's also possible to do a check on them if you ask them for their FB name and if you trade FB names with them, you could do FB video chats with them before meeting IRL. If the FB chat goes bad, you can always block them.
Basically, you I’m just looking for some attention I need someone that can keep my company and ...
Mooolah comments on Feb 24, 2021:
The site began as a dating site & evolved into a social discourse site. Some have met here. It is what you make of it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 24, 2021:
For the vast majority of its members, Agnostic.com has never been a viable dating site. A viable dating site would be one with a reasonable number of members of each sex within reasonable driving distance. It would probably also have a decent number of each gender, within the driving distance, making up most age groups as well.
I watched some of the testimony by former Capitol Police Chief Steve Sund.
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 24, 2021:
It was an inside job. The rioters had help from some officers at the line level and, more importantly, help at the command level. Glad that the head of the Capital Police was canned and also the Sergant At Arms from both branches of congress also had to go.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 24, 2021:
@racocn8 They aren't Russian spies, just allies of Trump that wanted to see the riot and insurrection happen. Same as 9-11. The intelligence was there to stop it, but they let it happen because it served the agenda of the Bush admin. to get a war with Iraq, get their oil, and be able to pass a domestic survelliance act like The Patriot Act.
Republican Senators Propose Raising Minimum Wage From $7.25 To $10 | HuffPost
Theresa_N comments on Feb 24, 2021:
Senators should have to live on $10 an hour.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 24, 2021:
They should also have to settle for Obamacare health insurance coverage and have to pay the same % of their income for premiums as the rest of us peasants.
It will soon be March and the emergency $2,000 survival checks that Biden and the dems promised ...
Mooolah comments on Feb 22, 2021:
Biden can not do this alone. The House of representatives controls the purse strings. Then the Senate has to approve. For the government to send you a check is socialism. The gov't helping those that can not help themselves is socialism. Why do you think the government is responsible to help you. ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 23, 2021:
@Mooolah I am lucky enough to have inherited quite a lot of money in the last few years. In fact, so lucky that between that and my frugal living style, I donated all of my $1200 check from Trump to my local food bank, and with Social Security Survivor's benefits, I was able to retire at age 60. I have worked hard most of the years before that, and was careful with what money I had and earned, but even then, I was earning so little that there is no way I could have ever retired and during this crisis I would have needed every penny of government relief. So are you saying if I was broke and ready to be evicted or starve, instead of being well off enough to give my government relief money away as charity, that I would deserve my fate? Being broke and needing government help often have very little to do with life choices and reckless spending and way more to do with health problems we are born with and being stuck in jobs that have no benefits and poor pay, which describes most of my working career, even tho I worked hard and tried to get the best jobs I could, but usually was turned down for them, even tho I was more than qualified. I just didn't know the right people and have the connections to get the jobs.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
HippieChick58 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I'm pretty much over trying to find someone special for some of the same reasons you mention, being judged by education, income, and looks. I don't want to play that game. I'm thankful to have my kids to help out as I get less able to do stuff because I'm pretty sure I'm going to be single for the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 22, 2021:
@RonWilliam53 Ok, that explains it, sorry.
America Has The Tinder To IGNITE Social Uprising - Chris Hedges [youtu.be]
yvilletom comments on Feb 20, 2021:
A few years ago, Hedges’ pessimism turned me off. He’s still at it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 22, 2021:
@yvilletom I grew up in that same kind of home and I am still choosing to be alive. I can take realism and I prefer it to self delusion. I am proud of being realistic about politics and always telling the truth to others as well as myself. Different choices I guess.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
HippieChick58 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I'm pretty much over trying to find someone special for some of the same reasons you mention, being judged by education, income, and looks. I don't want to play that game. I'm thankful to have my kids to help out as I get less able to do stuff because I'm pretty sure I'm going to be single for the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@RonWilliam53 I like your attitude and mostly share it, but I need to correct you on something. I have no kids, by choice, so if I don't find another partner, I am on my own when I get older or get disabled. I have only my several friends to lean on and all but one of them are my age or a little older. I don't want to put a burden on a future partner either, and that's one reason I'm not keen on marrying again. I'll just have to see if I find someone else to lean on or if it's my friends to lean on the rest of the way in. I do know I will not date anyone more than 8 years older than me since at my age or that age, anything can happen at any time with an individual's health. I don't want to be widowed anytime soon either nor be a caregiver again in the next several years. So I hedge my bets by dating as much as seven years younger and no more than 8 years older, and only with the older ones that are in good health and have good genes.
Rush Limbaugh dead at 70: A media blowhard for American capitalism - World Socialist Web Site
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 21, 2021:
Reagan and Rush deserve a lot of the blame for the rise in right wing populism, but so does the Dem Party for always effectively killing any left wing populism that ever rose as a response to Reagan and Rush, even as early as the 1980s. I remember how they crushed Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kuccinich, ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@altschmerz I totally agree with the quotes in your comment. Today's Dem Party is only and all about privileges for women and minorities, mainly those of members of the upper-middle class members of those groups. They screw the working class every chance they get. I fucking hate ID politics and anytime I run into a white liberal who is middle or upper middle class and they start telling me how much better the Dems are than the Repubs based on some sort of ID politics policy, it tells me everything I need to know about how selfish and classist that person is....
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
bobwjr comments on Feb 21, 2021:
Tough out there
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@bobwjr Ok then, I wasn't aware you are disabled that way. Fair enough, and I apologize for being harsh with you.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
RonWilliam53 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
Wow-I was in the online dating pool for about a decade before I remarried (to someone I found online). Never had the problems you had and I'm a 5 at best (thoughI've been told I do clean up nicely when required). Met with single, divorced, widowed and open-relationship married. Beyond women who ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@RonWilliam53 The fact is, I think, that everybody is judging others by looks, among other things, in the dating game, altho I think there are some who are not conscious of it on their part or they are conscious of it, but are too embarrassed to admit it. Fine with me if people are in denial or want to deny it, it's still a scientifically, proven fact. As for your crude statement, my take on someone who was dumped by someone in a divorce even tho they were great looking, is that what probably happened is that the behavior or mental state of the good-looking person became so intolerable to their partner that the sex and eye candy were no longer enough. I'm sure that happens a lot, tho not in most marriages involving beautiful-looking people. Think whatever you like, Ron, the studies of dating sites have always shown that the majority of the site members direct the vast majority of their attention and efforts towards the top 20% of the members, in terms of looks, of the opposite sex. This is true for members of both sexes, and it debunks the regular denials of most women that they are not as concerned with looks as men in the dating game.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
Pralina1 comments on Feb 21, 2021:
One question b4 I give u my opinion : How old is she ?
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@Pralina1 Thanks for your support and validation. First, a note of background and clarification. I have an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree, each from a different university. Both are unrelated to my driving career that spanned the last few decades of my working life. The woman I was writing about was aware of all this after I answered her two ?s during our video chat. I believe that her rejection of me as not being up to her standards on my work history and career history was for not being professional and high status enough for her and her friends to feel I was worthy of being with her. That is called classism and it's a form of discrimination and prejudice that I really detest. But it's very common in the dating scene and in how Americans choose who is good enough to socialize with and who to hire for jobs or include/allow admission into social organizations. I was a very bright and successful student in college, but I had a failed career in my chosen field that I studied for that lasted several years and thru three jobs in that field. After trying three times, I gave up and eventually found my niche in driving jobs. My degrees can be seen as wasted when it comes to my employment history, but they actually came in quite useful in my marriage, since I married a social worker and then later became her caregiver and guardian after she developed dementia. I have made the best of my lot in life, both before I met her and after she died. If anything, I deserve some credit for surviving and getting to this point in life, despite my career failure as a young adult. But in the mind of N., the woman from Batch, I am a failure across the board because I didn't succeed in the field I studied in college, regardless of the fact that, unlike her, I had a successful marriage and was a good and caring enough partner to see my wife thru her dementia. So N. can shove her judgement of me as not being good or professional enough in my work and career history to belong with her and her friends. I am mostly proud of who I am and have become in life. She also doesn't know that I was lucky enough to inherit quite a lot of money from my parents and my late wife, which is why, along with about 70K that I was able to save during the several years I was finally able to have a union job with good pay and benefits, and my eligibility at that age to receive Social Security Survivor's benefits, I was able to retire at age 60 and can afford to live comfortably, probably able to live a little better lifestyle than her, if I chose to. Finally, Pralina, as to my use of number ratings on the looks of particular people... I do that so my discussions of people's relative ranking of their looks in the dating game have some objective and concrete meaning. How else can one do ...
America Has The Tinder To IGNITE Social Uprising - Chris Hedges [youtu.be]
yvilletom comments on Feb 20, 2021:
A few years ago, Hedges’ pessimism turned me off. He’s still at it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@yvilletom I invited myself after you bashed Hedges because he tells the truth and promotes realism, both of which you seem to oppose. I reserve the right to call bullshit on anyone that tries to push others to stop telling the truth in the interest of being "optimistic". We have way too little truth being told in America. If you don't like my attitude, you can always block me. Until then, if you don't like it, you can shove it.
Just saw this documentary recently on Pluto TV.
WilliamCharles comments on Feb 20, 2021:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PaAbmRJ9bQ
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
A fantastic movie that I own a copy of and have watched several times. I try to lend this movie to friends, if they can handle it. I own another movie, about poverty and the unemployment/disability system, called I, Daniel Blake. Same thing, something everyone should see. A Brit movie, that one.
America Has The Tinder To IGNITE Social Uprising - Chris Hedges [youtu.be]
linxminx comments on Feb 20, 2021:
"The problem is that most of the self-identified left...they have no relationships with people who have been victimized by this system." Such utter truth!! "If Biden were a politician in any other western country, he would be an extreme right-winger." Presidential candidate Andrew Yang wrote a...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
That is often true. American socialists are often quite snobby and have a disdain for the working class, who are quite aware of this, and it's one reason they don't embrace socialism and vote against their own interests over and over.
America Has The Tinder To IGNITE Social Uprising - Chris Hedges [youtu.be]
yvilletom comments on Feb 20, 2021:
A few years ago, Hedges’ pessimism turned me off. He’s still at it.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
@yvilletom I think the line from the movie, A Few Good Men, applies here, yvilletom.... "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth". I think over time, on these boards, you have proven to me that you can't handle the truth, at least not about this...
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
Pralina1 comments on Feb 21, 2021:
One question b4 I give u my opinion : How old is she ?
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
55, while I am 62.
Biden visits Bob Dole at home
HippieChick58 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I thought Bob Dole had died already! I hadn't heard about him in ages. It disturbs me that a 97 YO is undergoing cancer treatment. How many more years can he really expect to get? If you got the money you can get anything.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 21, 2021:
I agree. At that age, I would just choose palliative care and live out my remaining days as comfortable as possible.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
HippieChick58 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I'm pretty much over trying to find someone special for some of the same reasons you mention, being judged by education, income, and looks. I don't want to play that game. I'm thankful to have my kids to help out as I get less able to do stuff because I'm pretty sure I'm going to be single for the ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
I hear you Paula. We are very much alike in the dating totem pole and I fear we will both be alone the rest of the way and die alone. The one difference is that I intend to stay in the game for at least several more years, if I can stand it that long, and try to cope with my lumps, from the battles of the dating scene, as they accumulate. The weird thing is that men, at your age, really shouldn't care about your education or income as long as both of you can pay your own way for the same lifestyle, both are intelligent and knowledgeable enough to have intelligent, equal conversations, etc. As for looks, both sexes do that and it does matter. Overall, women are a little more likely to be accepting of a partner who is less attractive than them, or be less choosy about looks, but, in my experience, most women are not really less picky about looks in a potential partner than most men are. The diff is that most men are honest and unapologetic about wanting a woman who is attractive looking while most women are afraid to admit their similarity in this attitude because they don't want to be seen as shallow or as mean or "not nice".
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
RonWilliam53 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
Wow-I was in the online dating pool for about a decade before I remarried (to someone I found online). Never had the problems you had and I'm a 5 at best (thoughI've been told I do clean up nicely when required). Met with single, divorced, widowed and open-relationship married. Beyond women who ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
No offense, Ron, but you're right. Like me, you're about a 5 on the scale, so be glad you're no longer out there on the market, because it's very rough for guys like us. Still, even with my handicap on looks, if I lived in around a bigger city, or a more progressive area, it would probably increase my total prospects enough that I would have a much better chance of finding a woman who was a 6 or 7 that would be willing to accept a guy with my looks based on my other attributes and compatible traits with her.
Cats or dating? I vote for cats.
BitFlipper comments on Dec 24, 2020:
Just because you don't date for long periods doesn't mean you've given up. It can be that nobody accepts your invitations.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
That pretty well sums up most of my dry spells, they aren't for lack of trying.. For people who are above average looking, the only non-dating periods are a matter of choice, as opportunities are always there for them.
The last few weeks on Batch, I've been occupying myself, for amusement, out of boredom, and also out...
RonWilliam53 comments on Feb 20, 2021:
Wow-I was in the online dating pool for about a decade before I remarried (to someone I found online). Never had the problems you had and I'm a 5 at best (thoughI've been told I do clean up nicely when required). Met with single, divorced, widowed and open-relationship married. Beyond women who ...
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
Glad things worked out for you. The woman I got ghosted by clearly was not looking to be supported by me financially, nor should she have been worried that I would be freeloading off her, since I probably have a higher net worth than her tho her income is much higher. But she never even gave me the chance to get far enough to explain that in an appropriate moment. She clearly had standards that she wanted a man with an impressive career that she could present to her friends and family, nothing at all to do with affording a good lifestyle or being a capable partner. Who says some career women aren't seeking a trophy of their own in the hubby who is or was a high-powered professional? Seems most women care as much or more about status, way more than me. The women who seem to think I'm too young for them are mid to late 60s, not that much older than me, I don't get their reluctance except for maybe tradition and habit on their part of only dating men the same age or older their whole life. As far as age differences, my late wife was 16 years older than me and fortunately she realized early on that I was more serious and mature about relationships than most guys even older than me, but I think she was quite exceptional compared to most older widows I find on Batch. I might well be right for them, but they are too skeptical from my fellow men they've met to take a chance on a younger man like me. Oh, well....As for marriage, I am open to doing that again, with a prenup, but it's not a priority for me since I'm childless. As for women with worse finances than me, I probably want someone on about the same level as me and do not want someone who would be mostly dependent on me, because I would probably eventually resent it and also wonder if they were only staying with me as a meal ticket. Two things I am very sensitive about are being played for a fool or having my intelligence insulted or not recognized. The other is being used by someone. I cannot stand dealings with anyone that does any of these things to me.
I was just trying to log in to agnostic.
Paddypereira comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I had to reset my password. All good now.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
@Paddypereira It probably was a security feature, that the site verifies or checks every once in a while to make sure accounts have not been stolen or hacked, etc.
I was just trying to log in to agnostic.
Paddypereira comments on Feb 20, 2021:
I had to reset my password. All good now.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 20, 2021:
I had to do that a few days ago. It wouldn't let me in until I reset my password.
Texas Republicans! 🙄
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 19, 2021:
All three are equally huge assholes. I can't pick one over the others.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 19, 2021:
@MichelleGar1 My two concerns would be the winters and the higher cost of living. I would have a much easier time there finding someone compatible and attractive to date, compared to Des Moines, but I'm not going to move just for that.
Texas Republicans! 🙄
TomMcGiverin comments on Feb 19, 2021:
All three are equally huge assholes. I can't pick one over the others.
TomMcGiverin replies on Feb 19, 2021:
@MichelleGar1 If Iowa joined a new country of red states, I'd probably move to the Twin Cities, assuming I could afford it.

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