Thanks for trying to hang on, Justice RBG.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 18, 2020:

If that comes to pass, then there's nothing left to do but get in the streets and revolt, whether violently or not, because if it's just allowed to stand, then fascism will be out in the open and tolerated. After that, further elections will be pointless once that precedent is set.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 19, 2020:

@SeaRay215ex Sounds like a good plan. The sad thing is that most Americans would probably act like docile sheep and let themselves be enslaved or slaughtered..

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

itsmedammit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It has been my experience that photos can only give so very little information and I have always found that people seem more attractive in person, I think simply because in person gives a fuller, more complete picture. I try to remember that, as it is easy to dismiss someone on the photo, not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@itsmedammit Notice how nobody is standing up to defend you or agree with you, not even the other women, despite your putdowns of me? Seems rather telling...

So.

mischl comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Frankly, I'm very wary of having intimacies with a woman when she's drunk. Well, maybe if we already have a good history together, it might be okay. But any kind of new relationship? Forget about it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

Same here.

So.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 18, 2020:

The last time I was with a woman with your level of looks and her clothes came off, I was still in my twenties...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@DangerDave That was decades ago when I had an athletic body and a head of hair. Either one makes a world of difference in the dating world and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because, in most cases, they are just pretending and saying what they want others to hear. The two reasons I haven't been out much in the dating world since then is I met my late wife in '95 and was with her until 2017. I was back in the dating game for three years until Covid. Not going back until Covid is no longer a big risk anymore.

This photo and the article explain why so few men find girlfriends on this site: ...

Willow_Wisp comments on Sep 18, 2020:

I think it's funny that people keep trying to figure out how to make this a dating site.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

I agree. This will never be a viable dating site for most members until it's membership grows at least several times over, and in the few years I've been on here there's never been any evidence of that.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

itsmedammit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It has been my experience that photos can only give so very little information and I have always found that people seem more attractive in person, I think simply because in person gives a fuller, more complete picture. I try to remember that, as it is easy to dismiss someone on the photo, not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@itsmedammit There's no explaining to it. You don't agree and I really don't care about whether you do. I know most, if not all, of other people probably do agree with me about what is an obvious fact. I am not dense, you are either in denial or a very rare outlier on this issue. I resent you continuing to say things to the effect that I am dense or unintelligent because I don't agree with you. I am quite intelligent and I get your point. I think that you are either lying, in denial, or a very rare bird in your viewpoint on looks. It's really that simple. Almost no one on a paid dating site uses a profile that does not contain at least one photo of themselves. There's a reason for that and it proves my point, whether you agree or admit to it or not.....

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

itsmedammit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It has been my experience that photos can only give so very little information and I have always found that people seem more attractive in person, I think simply because in person gives a fuller, more complete picture. I try to remember that, as it is easy to dismiss someone on the photo, not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@itsmedammit I don't know you, but I do know that looks matter a lot to most people. Some will admit it and some won't...I am not making assumptions about most other people, I am stating a fact. That you don't seem to be able to hear it or accept it is your problem, not mine. BTW, your Agnostic.com profile says you are open to meeting men for dating, yet you don't have a single photo of you in the profile. Good luck with that, and yes, I'm being sarcastic with that. I really doubt that many men on here will message you with a sincere interest in getting to know you towards maybe dating with no photos of what you look like.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 17, 2020:

I like you, Marcie, based on your posts and comments for what they seem to say about your character. So I hope my being brutally honest here doesn't offend you. I have seen your profile pics and based on my own online dating experience in the last couple years as well as the things I have heard from...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 18, 2020:

@Green_Soldier71 Based on my past experience on these boards..I also refer you to the replies from it'smedammit....

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

itsmedammit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It has been my experience that photos can only give so very little information and I have always found that people seem more attractive in person, I think simply because in person gives a fuller, more complete picture. I try to remember that, as it is easy to dismiss someone on the photo, not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@itsmedammit I didn't miss your point at all. I just think that when it comes to something like online dating, which is much like job-seeking, almost all people proceed in a logical, methodical manner which includes screening, sorting, interviewing thru messaging followed by phone calls or in-person meetings, etc. Whether you personally agree with me or not, whether you personally follow this type of approach or not, I have no doubt about whether most people do. And looks are a big part of it. But I know enough about human nature and pride to know that many people will not admit to being as concerned with looks as they are. Same phenomena as how wrong polls were about the last prez election. Trump's support was way underestimated to due 'Trump shame" where many people who supported him wouldn't admit it, even to strangers polling them, because it would make them look bad in their own eyes. Admitting supposed shallowness or superficiality about looks is no different. It can be very hard to get most people to admit their embarrassing faults. That's why researchers use ways to get around this. Like when they ask ?s about parenting styles as a way to find out who is more supportive of authoritarian leaders, since there is stigma about authoritarian leaders being like Hitler. So the parenting ?s get a more accurate picture of who supports Trump, for example.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

evergreen comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Being rejected isn't always about looks. Each of us have certain personal parameters that we might (consciously, or not) measure a potential partner. And all too often, there is impatience in deciding whether to take the time to get to know someone. If there isn't that damn perceived "instant...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

Most of the time people are rejected on dating sites, it is mostly about looks, if for no other reason than simplicity and convenience. How can anyone honestly say that most people using dating sites don't initially screen who they will message with sincere interest in them, where it's not based on at least looks and maybe a couple other criteria like religion or political affiliation? It's clear that most people begin screening out or whittling down their field of candidates with criteria like those and then work their way forward with reading their whole profile info and then choosing who to message based on other things like common interests, kids, relationship history, etc. I would imagine this is even more true for women than men because they generally get way more interest from others on dating sites, even if it's from scammers, than do most men. That's because most men on dating sites use a scattershot method of approaching many more women than the other gender and hoping to get responses from at least some of them. In my experience, as an average-looking man, I seldom got messages from women who were not scammers, who would make the first approach. And when they did, they were always below-average looking. I suspect if you are above average looking, male or female, you will get tons of interest on a dating site, and not just from scammers. Those are the facts of life.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

SKH78 comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It is kind of sad that looks matter so much to most people. But that is life. Being plain looking, I seek male friends who are plain looking. (I dislike the word "ugly" - to me, ugly is as ugly does. A person can be gorgeous, but if their personalities are ugly, they are ugly). Probably both ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

I think your assessment of how it goes is honest and realistic. I wish more people saw it that way instead of being disinegenuous or overly idealistic. Looks seldom matter in who we choose or end up with as friends, but who we want to have sex with as well as spend time with or plan a future with, is a whole other ballgame.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

ZantiMisfit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

I think it's a pain we all know, and over time it can take a toll on self-esteem. But please don't let the shallowness of others overwhelm you. You're smart and strong!

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

Two years of online dating rejection sure took a toll on my self-esteem. I currently feel like Covid is a welcome relief from the dating scene.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

itsmedammit comments on Sep 17, 2020:

It has been my experience that photos can only give so very little information and I have always found that people seem more attractive in person, I think simply because in person gives a fuller, more complete picture. I try to remember that, as it is easy to dismiss someone on the photo, not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

I think almost all of us want photos, and current photos, before we decide if someone is worth engaging with or meeting. Just talk to anyone who's been set up many times by well-meaning friends, esp. of the opposite gender, who are not in touch with how looks matter to their friend or how the prospective suitor stacks up in the looks dept. against the other party they are trying to set up. Knowing about the looks of someone in advance of meeting them saves a lot of regret and embarrassment. BTW, I agree with you that the vast majority of those we meet, whether organically or thru dating sites, do not end up with mutual attraction, maybe not 90%, but probably close to that because attraction is both looks and overall compatibility as well as personality.

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham I remember seeing something either four years ago or the cycle before that where it listed all the issues where both prez candidates were the same position on and also contained a memo spelling out how the mics in this town hall debate would be cut off if any citizen questioner brought up any of these issues or varied at all from their pre-submitted ? on one of the "safe" topics for the debate. Who needs a state-controlled censored news source like the Soviet Pravda, when we have our own corporate media?

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham Yup, wouldn't want to let voters learn anything about how shitty both candidates are and how much they agree on. The debates will be moderated by a Fox News guy, a C-Span guy (that I have seen in action on Washington Journal and he is a complete hack that would fit in well on a corporate network) and an NBC News female anchor. Nothing alternative here at all.

I hate that looks are as important as they are when trying to date. So tired of being rejected

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 17, 2020:

I like you, Marcie, based on your posts and comments for what they seem to say about your character. So I hope my being brutally honest here doesn't offend you. I have seen your profile pics and based on my own online dating experience in the last couple years as well as the things I have heard from...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@Marcie1974 Thank you for your honest response. I am not at all surprised that this meeting happened organically thru a mutual friend rather than a dating site, because, in my experience, this guy probably wouldn't have been interested in you if he had encountered you on a dating site. Actually, I think most people of either gender will meet people organically they would not consider or be interested if the introduction had been an online dating site. Why? Because, it appears, you are being realistic and open-minded about attraction and giving someone a chance if the instant chemistry isn't there and he is not. In fact, based on your description of him, I would probably rate him as a 5 and he is trying to date only women that are a 7 or better. My guess is he gets even more rejection than you, but probably doesn't admit it. Sounds like he's in about the same looks category as me, but I'm maybe a bit more realistic and honest. I actually had a dating coach look over my online dating history to get her opinion on if I was trying to date out of my league regarding looks and she said I "appeared to be doing that some of the time, but not most of the time" on Match, and "not enough to make me concerned about it being a problem for you". Altho, I fired her a couple weeks after that and don't feel she was really that helpful at all for me.

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham I heard Trump wanted Rogan to moderate one of the debates, but it's not going to happen. In fact, Trump didn't get any of the moderators he asked for.

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham, @WilliamCharles Bernie would win in a landslide, at least this time, but the DNC really seems to be playing to lose..

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham It will be interesting to see if Biden can hold it together for ninety minutes, which I doubt, if the debate goes ahead at the end of this month. I am not holding my breath that any of the debates happen, much less that all three scheduled debates happen. I will be shocked if at least Biden doesn't drop out of the rest if he falls apart on the 29th and his poll numbers then plummet.

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@WilliamCharles, @RoboGraham I blocked her a long time ago because she is full of herself and blind to the reality of the Dem leaders.

It feels like a hostage situation. :(

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 17, 2020:

This is abundantly clear.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

@WilliamCharles Quite true. I never gave a fuck about Russiagate, but the corporate Dems and their media have been using this for the last four years to distract the public and blame Hillary's loss on anything but the real cause, their shitty candidate.

DemocRats in PA block Green Party from the ballot. From The Guardian

RoboGraham comments on Sep 17, 2020:

They know they cannot win those progressive votes so they must eliminate the option. They are the undemocratic party.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 17, 2020:

If I were a progressive in PA I would respond to this kind of bullying and ratfuckery by refusing to vote for Biden.

Hillary 2.0. It's as if the DNC wants to lose to Trump.

yvilletom comments on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles You are more than a day late and a dollar short.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles I don't know about other progressives, but I have no illusions that Biden can be pushed to the left on anything...

Hillary 2.0. It's as if the DNC wants to lose to Trump.

yvilletom comments on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles You are more than a day late and a dollar short.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles Probably. I know that a side effect of some dementia meds is like tarditive kinesia, including chewing motions.

Hillary 2.0. It's as if the DNC wants to lose to Trump.

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 16, 2020:

I already know I hate Republicans. Joe wants to court them. Sick of Establishment Dems pretending to be on my side.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

Like I say, both the corporate Dems and the Repubs will ratfuck you if you are one of the peasants. The difference is the Repubs will tell you straight up they're going to do it, while the Dems will smile in your face and say they are on your side, and maybe use some lubricant while they ratfuck you in the ass. The Repubs won't bother using any...

Hillary 2.0. It's as if the DNC wants to lose to Trump.

yvilletom comments on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles You are more than a day late and a dollar short.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@WilliamCharles I'm so tired of Biden's supporters saying that his dementia behavior is actually caused by his stutter. He's had the stutter his whole damned life and it was not causing him the kinds of problems he's been exhibiting lately. Even five years ago, if you go back and look at video of him, you can see he was not having the kind of speech and confusion problems that he has been showing in the last year or two. That is why this is dementia that has developed recently and is only getting worse.

The truth behind why Trumpers won't leave him no matter what.

Green_Soldier71 comments on Sep 16, 2020:

That's just sad that there is no reasoning with them...we can't move forward then as a nation. I guess this is kinda 'war' of sorts. I guess we gotta do what we got to do and they gotta do what they got to do...and let the chips fall where they may. Sense, reason, logic, compromise, civil ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

We are currently in a civil war, at least on a cultural level, between the Trumpers and the liberals who are focused mainly or solely on identity politics and promoting multiculturalism.

The republicans have convinced the upper middle class that we want to tax them more.

prometheus comments on Sep 16, 2020:

That's the probablem in America - most people making $100k a year think they are rich. That's the trick the 1% play when they are actually making over $500k a year. Most of them could retire at any moment and make upper 5% salary from investments alone.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 16, 2020:

@floWteiuQ There is another distinction that is also important and not understood by most Americans. That is the issue of who is part of the economic elite and who isn't. If you are a trust fund baby or otherwise rich enough to not have to work in order to live comfortably, you are part of the elite, whether you do work or not. If you have to work to survive or live comfortably, you are not part of the elite.

I find this thought comforting: You haven’t yet mr all the people you will love.

BitFlipper comments on Sep 14, 2020:

So I have more heartbreaks to look forward to?

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2020:

A born pessimist...maybe we were separated at birth, lol...

Maybe this is why the approval rating of Congress is under 20%?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 14, 2020:

All I know is that that majority of Congress are bought off by the rich and corporations, and thus are unresponsive to us peasants.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2020:

@RoboGraham Oh, I think there are plenty of Dems, even liberal Dems, who get it, but aren't willing to admit it to themselves much less admit it to progressives. I've had plenty of people argue with me about it, but I still believe in my bones that this is the main reason for people not voting in federal elections, because they've figured out it's rigged and useless, so they don't bother. It's obvious that if fed level elections were not so dominated by big money, then we would have much higher voting rates for those elections.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

noworry28 comments on Sep 14, 2020:

Usually when someone protests way too much, it is because that someone is trying to distract you from what they themselves are doing. Like all those preachers and politicians that preach and scream about homosexuality, and are caught engaging in those same acts in secret. 🤔🤔

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 14, 2020:

It's called projection, one of the most common forms of psychological dysfunction.

Sadly accurate, I'm afraid.

barjoe comments on Sep 13, 2020:

You're both idiots

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2020:

Maybe you say that because, in the words of Jack Nicholson's character in A Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth"..

Imagine for a moment there's a plantation.

yvilletom comments on Sep 12, 2020:

The billionaire class provide the money that wins elections to lawmaking bodies and positions.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2020:

That's how most of them keep their wealth and power.

My Political Compass Test Results: Economic Left/Right: 5.

barjoe comments on Sep 12, 2020:

Here's mine

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 13, 2020:

Me too, I'm extreme bottom left corner. Bernie socialist.

So, there I was sitting on my front veranda, drinking a well earned coffee, minding my own business.

Green_Soldier71 comments on Sep 12, 2020:

Serves you right! Don't you know the old adage...NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. On a serious note, you shone like a diamond of a human being and that idiot is lucky to have you as a neighbor.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 12, 2020:

It's ironic that I first heard that phrase from a priest...

Imagine No Religion

creative51 comments on Sep 11, 2020:

If there were none, then what would we fight about? LOL

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 11, 2020:

People would still fight over race, who got the better jobs, who gets more of the economic pie, etc. For example, Northern Ireland was supposedly a religious civil war, but really it was a civil war between two tribal groups who happened to be different religions. But in reality it was over who had more power over the economy and political system, just like we have in America between the 99% and the 1%, that is, when the 1% doesn't have the peasants fighting each other.

When I heard the tape, what Trump told Woodward back in February that he knew how deadly the virus ...

BitFlipper comments on Sep 10, 2020:

I don't think it would have made any difference if Woodward had revealed the tape 7 months ago. I'm not sure it will make a difference now. Trump supporters are completely hypnotized. They'll do anything *short of personal sacrifice* to support their addiction.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2020:

Maybe not, but I still feel Woodard is a turd because he sits on this kind of stuff instead of giving the public the truth as soon as possible. He cares only about himself, not the public good.

Who else is a Marxist on this site?

RoboGraham comments on Sep 10, 2020:

There is much good in Marx's philosophy. I wouldn't go as far as describing myself as a Marxist though.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2020:

Same here.

This is somewhat of a sombre topic, even though I am having a good day.

Gwendolyn2018 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

And this is even more sombre. I am 68 and though I used to be concerned about being alone without someone to love and watch over me, that concern is gone. Yup, I have my son and his family down the road, but the thought of living with someone is not in the picture. When I became truly alone for ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2020:

@Gwendolyn2018 It certainly looks like you will die alone, but also that it will be ok for you.

This is somewhat of a sombre topic, even though I am having a good day.

Gwendolyn2018 comments on Sep 10, 2020:

And this is even more sombre. I am 68 and though I used to be concerned about being alone without someone to love and watch over me, that concern is gone. Yup, I have my son and his family down the road, but the thought of living with someone is not in the picture. When I became truly alone for ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 10, 2020:

Sounds like plenty of men are still looking for a nurse with a purse, or at least the nurse, once they get old.

How Attacks On Trump Help Him To Make His Case "But it is somewhat disappointing how little the ...

Bobbyzen comments on Sep 9, 2020:

*The Democratic Party has no message — literally none — apart from him.* Like the Hillary campaign, Democrats are running a really super super strong "We're not Trump how can you possibly support this monster" campaign. How'd that work out for them in 2016? Yeah yeah yeah, I know, HRC ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 9, 2020:

That and empty identity politics.....

Report: 70 Percent Of New COVID-19 Cases Are Coming From Red States.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 6, 2020:

I doubt Covid will kill off the Repub voters. Their kind, at least the evangelicals, breed like rats, so there will be plenty more to replace the casualties of ignoring Covid.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 7, 2020:

@desertastronomer I'm afraid you're right, but it's now obvious that Bernie was never willing to rock the boat like Nader and run third party against the Dems. If he had, I think he could have won, but we'll never know. I am still unsure if he chose not to because he and/or his family were threatened, or if instead he was playing sheepdog all along and not willing to buck the party and lose his perks in the Senate that the Dems gave him for not running third party. Until recently, I had hopes for AOC as our last chance, since she has her youth and all the identity politics going for her, but now she has begun selling out and kissing up to the Dem leadership, even tho she is two cycles away from being old enough to be prez.

Report: 70 Percent Of New COVID-19 Cases Are Coming From Red States.

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 6, 2020:

I doubt Covid will kill off the Repub voters. Their kind, at least the evangelicals, breed like rats, so there will be plenty more to replace the casualties of ignoring Covid.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 6, 2020:

@desertastronomer Of course, both of us can always dream of better things. In my case, it would be seeing a truly progressive prez elected before I die.

7 Steps to Grooming Your Young Christian Wife | Biblical Gender Roles

Gwendolyn2018 comments on Sep 4, 2020:

Geezus H. Young women like this are put into situation where leaving is difficult. Where does an 18--or a 25 year old--find job that will support her if she has no education or work experience? She is dependent on her husband. No wonder "they" hate feminists.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 5, 2020:

@Gwendolyn2018 Better to get out late than never...

7 Steps to Grooming Your Young Christian Wife | Biblical Gender Roles

Gwendolyn2018 comments on Sep 4, 2020:

Geezus H. Young women like this are put into situation where leaving is difficult. Where does an 18--or a 25 year old--find job that will support her if she has no education or work experience? She is dependent on her husband. No wonder "they" hate feminists.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 5, 2020:

That's the whole point, keep em' scared and dependent. Same as mail order brides. Maybe women in other countries are getting less desperate and wiser, so these guys need to look for slaves here in the states instead..

7 Steps to Grooming Your Young Christian Wife | Biblical Gender Roles

DavidLaDeau comments on Sep 4, 2020:

I wonder if his wife has a name? If she does then we will know that she is important in this story!

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 5, 2020:

Maybe she wears a collar as well.

7 Steps to Grooming Your Young Christian Wife | Biblical Gender Roles

linxminx comments on Sep 5, 2020:

This is so gross on so many levels. I couldn't even read all the way through. It's 2020 and it boggles my mind that this repressed thinking exists.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 5, 2020:

Just shows that supporters of having a Gilead out of The Handmaid's Tale are alive and well..

Going to kinda free write this, and none of this will qualify as "required reading" so if anybody ...

Gareth comments on Sep 5, 2020:

Posting this TEN TIMES?? That earns you a blocking.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 5, 2020:

It does seem a rather pathetic plea for attention...

American War Dead: Losers and Suckers [amp.theatlantic.com]

barjoe comments on Sep 4, 2020:

A coward besmirching heros. The worst person ever in the White House. Nixon was a good guy compared to him.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 4, 2020:

Nixon was an evil SOB, but at least he had some sense of shame.. It's very telling about the Repub Party that they long ago erased Nixon from their party history and his name has become a taboo subject in that party, not because of his crimes, but because he got caught and disgraced. If he had got away with Watergate, he would be a hero of the party.

Nearly $1 million has been raised for Kenosha shooting suspect Kyle Rittenhouse, according to a ...

Merseyman1 comments on Sep 4, 2020:

He's an aggressive and mentally sick teenager. He must be put away and treated. I wonder if those fund raisers would score such money if the teenager was from a minority...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 4, 2020:

I'll take NO, Alex, for $500..

Christian-Owned Wedding Venue Refuses to Host Mixed Race Wedding Because Jesus | Hemant Mehta | ...

think-beyond comments on Sep 3, 2020:

It never ceases to amaze how much deep rooted stupidity there is. This is fostered by the Church which serves society by keeping a sheep-society easily manipulated to whatever ends. I like to imagine a society made up of intelligent, logical people. It would be a fun exercise to describe what that ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 3, 2020:

@think-beyond True. Thinking informed people are usually not influenced by TV ads, which is what all the money is going to. Ignorant and less intelligent people are influenced greatly by TV ads.

Christian-Owned Wedding Venue Refuses to Host Mixed Race Wedding Because Jesus | Hemant Mehta | ...

GeorgeRocheleau comments on Sep 3, 2020:

What? Did you think tolerance and inclusiveness were Christian virtues? Hah!

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 3, 2020:

They are and they aren't. In so-called liberal Christian churches, they are. In mainline Christian churches, it's hit and miss. In fundy Christian churches, inclusiveness and tolerance are seen as weak and not obedient to God's will.

Christian-Owned Wedding Venue Refuses to Host Mixed Race Wedding Because Jesus | Hemant Mehta | ...

think-beyond comments on Sep 3, 2020:

It never ceases to amaze how much deep rooted stupidity there is. This is fostered by the Church which serves society by keeping a sheep-society easily manipulated to whatever ends. I like to imagine a society made up of intelligent, logical people. It would be a fun exercise to describe what that ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 3, 2020:

Ahhh, I don't know about that. Spock was an interesting character on Star Trek, but it would be a pretty boring world if it was like Vulcan and everybody was very intelligent and ultra-logical like him. Better to have a diversity of types like the Enterprise had.

Christian Booted from Alaska Walmart After Screaming About Satanic Face Masks | Hemant Mehta | ...

JohnnyMiller comments on Sep 2, 2020:

I deal with this kind of thing daily in my town. I only go to the store once a week and always by myself, masked, and I almost always get cussed out by someone because I'm usually the only one in the store apart from the employees that's wearing a mask. Our town voted down mask mandates twice and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 3, 2020:

It's a pity that Darwinian thinning of the herd isn't taking care of the stupidity in your town.

To the DNC: To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I ...

WilliamCharles comments on Sep 2, 2020:

Is this why Nancy SMASH! doesn't want Creepy Addled Uncle Joe to debate? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8Wwe2-dV0

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 2, 2020:

Kind of reminds me of all Joe's primary debate performances when he would call himself on his time being up....

Christian Booted from Alaska Walmart After Screaming About Satanic Face Masks | Hemant Mehta | ...

JohnnyMiller comments on Sep 2, 2020:

I deal with this kind of thing daily in my town. I only go to the store once a week and always by myself, masked, and I almost always get cussed out by someone because I'm usually the only one in the store apart from the employees that's wearing a mask. Our town voted down mask mandates twice and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 2, 2020:

I pity you living in a place that is even more Bible Belt than my town.

Mmmmmm.... anybody see a resemblance to what Liberals are doing today?

TomMcGiverin comments on Sep 1, 2020:

I have no doubt that Trump's followers and minions are carrying this out on the streets where there are protests, but most Americans are too dumb and ignorant of history to catch on to this. Plus, the corporate media is no help as they won't investigate or expose this. They are just as complicit in ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 1, 2020:

@Captain_Feelgood I think that many if not most of them might be plants from the cops or feds who are infiltrating or at least posing as members of the BLM groups to encourage violence as well as the plants actually committing violence in order to discredit the BLM group. I was around for the 60s and 70s, when this happened all the time. The Church hearings in congress brought all this out, including the COINTELLPRO operations the feds were pulling back in those decades to discredit civil rights groups, the anti-war movement, and the Black Panthers. I believe nothing has changed from those days when it comes to the cops and the feds, if anything, with what we've learned about Cheney's NASA operations, things are worse.

Hi.

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Good luck with that, right-wing Trumper...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 1, 2020:

@ArizonaJerry1 Get bent.

My daughter posted these in defense of Kyle Rittenhouse.

Bobbyzen comments on Aug 31, 2020:

This is hard as a parent. Give it time. Keep speaking to your daughter about life and love and kindness, and keep sharing your views without anger. Four years ago my son told me Black Lives Matter was a terrorist group. He showed me a right-wing podcast that he based his opinion on. I challenged...

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 1, 2020:

Sounds like you had to deprogram him.

Trump says he doesn't want his supporters to confront left-wing protesters

FearlessFly comments on Sep 1, 2020:

""Oh, I don't want them to." . . . hmmm, that isn't 'urging', that could be (mis)construed as tacit approval. :P

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 1, 2020:

I think he is doing a very obvious, "Nudge and Wink" on this, the same as a CEO telling their minions that "all the subpeonaed docs are not to be disturbed" as you can barely hear over the sound of shredders in the background..

It is frightening to me that nearly half of Americans think trump is handling the protests ...

RoboGraham comments on Sep 1, 2020:

He's handling them correctly if the goal is to spread and intensify the unrest.

TomMcGiverin replies on Sep 1, 2020:

That is the goal. This is 1968 redux and he is playing Nixon. I'm afraid it will end the same way too.

Are police disproportionally killing (unarmed) black men?

creative51 comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Blacks were enslaved in the now USA from "On August 28, 1565, St. Augustine, Florida was founded by the Spanish conquistador Don Pedro Menendez de Aviles and he brought three enslaved Africans with him. " until "Thirteenth Amendment to the US constitution, 18 Dec 1865." From that time until federal ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 31, 2020:

@Admin Unfortunately, we will not get the kind of reform we had during the Depression of the 1930s for three reasons. Both major parties are now totally beholden to the rich and corporations, so neither one would be willing to reasonably make concessions like they did to FDR and the unions back then. Also, BTW, union membership these days is pitiful compared to back then. Secondly, Americans for the most part, at least the ones on the left and those in the middle of the spectrum on economics, are not willing to get out in the streets and fight for revolution, whether it be non-violent protest or violent revolution. At the same time, our current developments show us, however, that those on the right, like the armed Trump supporters and the right wing militias, are more than willing to get in the streets and fight a civil war against the left. Thirdly, it has long been obvious from the militarization of the police in America over the last couple decades, the crushing of OWS, and the recent behavior of the police taking sides against the BLM protesters and on the side of right wing militias and Trump supporters, that if the left or even those in the political middle attempt violent revolution against the status quo, the police and military are chomping at the bit to mow them down and that is exactly what they would successfully do. We are doomed in America if we attempt any violent revolution and probably just as doomed if we get a viable third party like the People's party to challenge the duopoly in DC. They would probably just declare martial law and set up a dictatorship if that became a serious threat. But I really hope I'm wrong....

Polish bishops call for "clinics to help LGBT people regain natural sexual orientation"

Theresa_N comments on Aug 31, 2020:

Poland is on it's way to being a fascist country in part because of the catholic church. There's conversion therapy in the catholic church in the US too. My former significant other is involved in it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 31, 2020:

@barjoe Sounds like you saw the Seinfeld episode...

White supremacy is the true religion of the United States.

WonderWartHog99 comments on Aug 28, 2020:

## What about black churches?

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 31, 2020:

@WonderWartHog99 Trust me from experience, the UUs are a tiny and ineffectual group.

It hurts too much to laugh and I'm too old to cry.

WilliamCharles comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Clear as it could possibly be, Biden fluffers, Corporate Dems, and DNC gaslighters notwithstanding. Fuggum. Seriously. #FUDNC #FCKBDN

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 31, 2020:

Don't worry, if Biden loses the blame will be put on progressives and Russia, no matter what the truth is. You can bet the house on it... They will also blame it on voter suppression, which is a real thing that will partly affect the outcome, but it won't be the main reason for a Biden loss.

I'm wondering how many of you believe that it is acceptable behavior to tresspass on private ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Vandalizing and stealing campaign signs tends to be a Repub thing because Repubs are more likely to be chickenshit bullies who want to muzzle their opposition, but don't have the guts to do it to their face. They are more likely to be sneaky about breaking the law and practicing a philosophy of ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

@dumasarok I also think it's sort of like Nixon's thinking after getting caught on Watergate, " If a president does something, then it must be legal".. Al Bundy, my sometime alter-ego, as far as the times I feel like I've lost my will to live....but then I think of Al and realize my life could be worse.. I could be married to Peg and have two kids that want to kill me in my sleep for the insurance money...

It hurts too much to laugh and I'm too old to cry.

JazznBlues comments on Aug 30, 2020:

It does feel like the DNC ignores the people's will and chooses who it decides we get to vote for...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

No shit, Sherlock.. They only listen to their big donors..

I'm wondering how many of you believe that it is acceptable behavior to tresspass on private ...

glennlab comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Not acceptable, nor is placing a sign in a prohibited area, nor placing one without the property owners permission. For those of you that are unaware, most states prohibit the placement of signs on public right of way, which is from fence line to fence line, the railroads generally prohibit ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

@glennlab I do. It's disturbing that some people drive that far over the curb.

I'm wondering how many of you believe that it is acceptable behavior to tresspass on private ...

glennlab comments on Aug 30, 2020:

Not acceptable, nor is placing a sign in a prohibited area, nor placing one without the property owners permission. For those of you that are unaware, most states prohibit the placement of signs on public right of way, which is from fence line to fence line, the railroads generally prohibit ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

In my area, you cannot place signs between the sidewalk and the street, which is where the buried gas lines, electrical lines, sewer pipes, etc. are. This is so the area is accessible to service crews. That area belongs to the city, even tho you are supposed to keep the grass mowed. Go figure.

Spent some time looking into suicide statistics today.

Mitch07102 comments on Aug 30, 2020:

The US is the most "advanced" market country. The high suicide rate is a logical, expected outcome of such a system. It will get worse. Wait until technology turns the working class into the useless class.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

No need to wait. Much of the working class has already been made redundant through not just tech, but jobs being sent overseas. Eventually we will see a turnover, out of desperation, where many of the service industry jobs like waitressing, hotel maids, cleaning jobs, etc. will be taken by over-qualified, over-educated people simply because there aren't enough white collar jobs left for them. The rich will end up with a better class of servants, which was always their intent. Will save them the inconvenience of having to hire foreigners who don't speak English as a first language to clean their homes, raise their kids, and tend their gardens, yet they will still be able to pay slave wages.

The choices this time are so depressing, I might just sit this one out. 🙄🍷

WilliamCharles comments on Aug 30, 2020:

I think this says it all. Joe's numbers are worse than Hillary's, and Pelosi wants Joe to stay in the bunker. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMqfTx81os

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 30, 2020:

She's right. I don't think we're going to see any debates this time.

Christian Crowdfunding Site Hosts Drive For Alleged Kenosha Gunman

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 29, 2020:

Even if he doesn't go to prison, he'll need the money to go into hiding and get a new identity, because if he doesn't, I bet someone is going to hunt him down and kill him. And he'll deserve it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 29, 2020:

@JeffMurray I hope you're wrong.

The choices this time are so depressing, I might just sit this one out. 🙄🍷

WilliamCharles comments on Aug 29, 2020:

Hope and Change 2 - The Biden Years https://rall.com/comic/hope-and-change-2-the-biden-years?fbclid=IwAR10MpXsr9GRegRFTMAIWhQNzFUyovk3Hn8a_HcWkD1i9rPxL90g4N0RqYw

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 29, 2020:

@whiskywoman Bullshit. Ted Rall tells hard truths that even the centrist Dems don't want to hear. You are an ass, bb, when it comes to politics. The only reason I don't block you is that I enjoy your posts on cats.

The choices this time are so depressing, I might just sit this one out. 🙄🍷

vertrauen comments on Aug 29, 2020:

@Lorajay is correct. Do not feed the Trumpist troll. He wants to either make you uncomfortable for encouraging a Trumpist to vote or "catch" you discouraging him to vote, which would be "proof" to him that the left is "un-American."

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 29, 2020:

@nicestuff Maybe some of us are not interested in public transport the rest of our lives. We would rather eventually buy a car, as in vote for a third party if a viable one comes along.

The choices this time are so depressing, I might just sit this one out. 🙄🍷

Heidi68 comments on Aug 29, 2020:

While Biden was definitely not my first choice, I will vote for him. But more important than voting for him - I know he will place honorable justices on the Supreme Court. RBG will not last another 4 years, we must fight for HER! She has spent her life fighting for us; we owe her, our courts & our ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 29, 2020:

The SC nominee argument doesn't hold any water with me about voting for Dem prez candidates because when it comes to the issues that matter the most to me, there isn't even any diff there between the parties. Both parties always nominate SC justices that are pro-corporate, anti-civil liberties, and against campaign finance reform. So what if they differ on abortion? Big fucking deal, it's a phony issue that both parties use to con their respective bases. If the Repubs actually wanted to overturn Roe, they could have done it a long time ago as they've had the votes on the SC for decades. But they won't do it because it would kill the Repubs in fed elections and they know it.

Wife Takes Nonbeliever Husband to Court to Block His Medically Assisted Death | Val Wilde | Friendly...

Leelu comments on Aug 28, 2020:

This is exactly why I would never marry a believer. Untrustworthy. Their god beliefs make them think they know better than anyone else what's best for others. FTS!

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 28, 2020:

In case something happens to me, my executor and POAs are both longtime atheist, lefty friends I have known for half my life. I can trust them with anything..

Ok single mingle friends.

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 28, 2020:

That looks really nasty.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 28, 2020:

@GwenBFree It's your pain, say whatever you want...

A satirical sketch to remind us how much we all have in common. [youtube.com]

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 27, 2020:

I've watched this a few times now and the point of it is that working class blacks and the same class of whites have more in common than they do differences. But the whole point of culture wars and identity politics that the Repubs and Dems play act about in the political version of pro wrestling ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

@RoboGraham Thanks, RB.

Watching Liam Neeson’s “Ordinary Love” about a married couple dealing with the wife’s breast...

bookofmorons comments on Aug 27, 2020:

Marriage vows often say "in sickness or in health" . When we are first married many of us glided over that part because we were young and life is good. But as time passes the reality of those words begins to sink in

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

I can relate to that. I said the vows and meant them, hopefully lived up to them the best I could. But when I said them I sure didn't see my wife getting dementia nearly as early as she did. I lost her twice, first to the disease, then to death. I just can't watch movies anymore about really deep loss. It still hurts too much and I would rather try to focus on more positive things, not knocking the movie at all. Just not for me anymore, that is if I want to keep on going...

A satirical sketch to remind us how much we all have in common. [youtube.com]

barjoe comments on Aug 27, 2020:

Thank you for this. I needed a good laugh. Tom Hanks with MAGA hat.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

@RoboGraham Millenial Millions was pretty good too..

[news.yahoo.com] Shooter in Kenosha found

barjoe comments on Aug 27, 2020:

Republicans are already making Kyle Rittenhouse a cult hero. Tucker Carlson just praised him saying this "he had to maintain order when no-one else would" I don't know how bad this can get. I'll post a link because otherwise you might not believe me. ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

The Trumpers had better be careful with that shit. If they egg people on too much about building this guy up, it might result in some angry and possibly crazy person on the left whacking this kid sometime if he ever leaves police custody. There is often someone out there wanting to be famous and play the hero, just like fuckface Rittnehouse. That would kind of be poetic justice if it happened.

New Research Shows the Four Conditions That Lead to a Less Religious Society | Hemant Mehta | ...

snytiger6 comments on Aug 27, 2020:

Makes sense that if you ease socities hardships, they dont' need to lean on religion in order to feel good.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

The opiate of the people, as Marx said...

Protests Break Out in Wisconsin After Police Shoot Black Man in the Back Multiple Times at ...

rogerbenham comments on Aug 25, 2020:

And the cop will get off scott free because obviously Blake was reaching into his car to get his AK87 and hand grenades. Killing him saved the community. Why are the police so frightened of any black person?

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

@rogerbenham Unfortunately many American leaders are either ignorant of history or refuse to learn from it.

They have no standards

resserts comments on Aug 27, 2020:

I can't look at her holding that gun without seeing Trudy Wiegel from *Reno 911*.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

I remember Trudy from that show. She seemed dumb enough to be a Trumper, besides being dumb and desperate enough to date a serial killer..

This is atrocious by any standards

yvilletom comments on Aug 27, 2020:

It’s also why people don’t march.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

No shit. Peaceful protesters now have to fear not only the cops, but also armed idiots like him. Between that and Covid, I'm amazed anyone risks it. I know I won't as long as there's Covid.

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

Willow_Wisp comments on Aug 26, 2020:

As long as the Police represents authority people who crave authority will be attracted to the profession. I'm sure you can see the flaw, it's driven by the same forces that make action movies box office hits. In my worst interactions with the police I never did anything wrong, yet i was thrown ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

It's also kind of like politicians and elected office, those that most want power are the same people who should least be trusted with it.

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 26, 2020:

De-escalation training is fine and dandy, as well as trying to weed out psychos from becoming cops and also eliminating the pervasive mentality among cops that black and brown men are their enemy combatants in the streets, as well as hiring too many cops that are ex-military, and making sure that ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

@glennlab Why am I not at all surprised? The NRA and right wingers are all for everyone being armed with military style weapons and more, as long as they're all white, conservative Christians...The Reagan years are the gift that just keeps on giving (in toxic ways) to America...

Protests Break Out in Wisconsin After Police Shoot Black Man in the Back Multiple Times at ...

rogerbenham comments on Aug 25, 2020:

And the cop will get off scott free because obviously Blake was reaching into his car to get his AK87 and hand grenades. Killing him saved the community. Why are the police so frightened of any black person?

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

It's not fright at all on the part of the cops. It's them feeling that they are the almighty cops and, by God, if you are colored and don't bow and scrape for them in fear, they will blow your ass away. They feel ordained to do that to people of color because they see them not as neighbors, fellow citizens, or even as human beings, but, instead, as enemy combatants as if American streets are the Middle East and they are there as the patriotic American military occupying the country. That's why it's no coincidence that most of these shitheads are ex-military from our endless wars over there.

Trump Demands Biden Be Drug Tested Before Their Presidential Debate In a recent Oval Office ...

Charlene comments on Aug 26, 2020:

Guess he wants to know how much adderall Joe can share. Lol

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

My guess is Joe is on Adderall or Aricept and maybe some other prescription meds for geezers. Trump may be on those as well as a street drug or two. Trump is probably too vain to take Adderall, but not Viagra...

There are many reasons why a person might not comply with an order given by a police officer.

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 26, 2020:

It may be time for some black men to revisit the words of Malcom X and The Black Panthers regarding self defense as intelligence. And then consider arming themselves if they live in an open carry state.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 27, 2020:

@RoboGraham I won't, because I'm white and therefore not a target of the cops, but if things eventually get crazy enough that I have to worry about right wing militia groups going around hunting lefties, you're damn right I will arm myself if the cops are not out there stopping that. I won't be a sitting duck and I remember all too well how many people in Bosnia in the 90s that were unarmed ended up dead because of militias. Fortunately my generally red state is not yet open carry, so I don't need to worry about it that soon.

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

Emerald comments on Aug 26, 2020:

Yeah but then they'd have to pay cops more. Won't happen.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

@Emerald I agree with your analysis on that. Most taxpayers won't support higher taxes on the state and local level. Also, tho not surprising, it stinks that the hospital used the crisis and costs of Covid to ditch the pension. Just shows that when it comes to workers, most hospitals are no different than corporate America, all about the bottom line...

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

HumanistJohn comments on Aug 26, 2020:

In most states, it takes less training to be an officer than it does to be a barber.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

That is a scary thought, but I don't doubt it's truth..

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Aug 26, 2020:

The local alternative newspaper in Des Moines Iowa recently ran an article in which they interviewed several local Des Moines cops and asked them what qualities made a good cop. I found it very interesting and will quote it: "Integrity, good morals, courage, and common sense....You need to be ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

@Amzungu No shit and that's the problem. Too much good ole' boys bullshit practiced..

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

Triphid comments on Aug 26, 2020:

When it comes to employing 'Pork Chops' ( Police Officers) imo, there should also be strict Psychological Examinations and re-examinations done on a regular basic. But that IS my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

You bet your ass! Dats de fact, Jack!

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

FuckReligion comments on Aug 26, 2020:

Allow me to be the literal devil's advocate: People in the medical industry don't have their life constantly threatened by others.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

@Amzungu That sounds like a great idea. Some cops would be too macho and egotistical to agree to it or benefit from it, but it might reach enough of them to be worth the effort. Same with social workers riding along with the cops, as some of them serve on crisis teams at hospitals with their share of mentally ill, violent patients and they are constantly practicing de-escalation.

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

LucyLoohoo comments on Aug 26, 2020:

BRILLIANT! I'll share with every nurse I know! Doctors prescribe....NURSES HEAL!

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

I have more respect and appreciation for nurses than I do for docs or cops. They get less respect and less money most of the time.

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

Emerald comments on Aug 26, 2020:

Yeah but then they'd have to pay cops more. Won't happen.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

But cops get pensions after 20 years of service that nurses can only dream of..

And we don't bitch about it because we fully understand we're responsible for making life and death ...

RobinGray comments on Aug 26, 2020:

Saw this today

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

Because here in the streets of America, the lives of black men have no value, and, as well, in domestic policing the cops, unlike the US military overseas, don't have to worry about international law, being treated as war criminals, or repercussions from foreign governments. In the US, most cops that murder unarmed black men will never face serious consequences and they feel they have the full support of the public and government behind them to treat black and brown men as the enemy of them and the public. That is the how and why of the ROE being so different on the streets of America compared to a Middle East war zone.

As you hereby see, we poor unfortunate males have no chance.

RobertMartin comments on Aug 25, 2020:

It just goes to show that being nice to a wife gets you nothing.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

@UUNJ Probably true that being a sniveling wimp is not attractive to most women.

As you hereby see, we poor unfortunate males have no chance.

mischl comments on Aug 25, 2020:

Man MUST be attentive to woman's needs. In this case, I guess he needs to yell at her and maybe spank her now and then.

TomMcGiverin replies on Aug 26, 2020:

@UUNJ I'll pass on spanking, or even any kind of hitting in a relationship, but whatever is between consenting adults is not my business...