It’s about the long term...

Allamanda comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Or perhaps, It was about the longterm 30 years ago, now we have arrived.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Allamanda I am that old and was 14 at the time. I remember how bummed I was about being 4 years too young to cast my first vote for a prez.

I need a pint of Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby and an evening bingeing 'Drunk History'.

Petter comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Due to lockdown restrictions, the only ones of the latter currently available are delivered by Amazon. Don't forget to order the air pump to inflate your nerdy dude*!* 🤣🤣

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@indelible Good for you. I was starting to imagine a gender reversal of Lars And The Real Girl...

another week or two gone. has anyone picked up a new hobby or habit during the shutdown?

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Nope. Just staying at home and getting bored. Going outside for an exercise walk when it's warm enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Donna_I Neither Trump or Reynolds would support spending that money for it. Without testing tens of millions Americans, starting with health care workers and those who are still working BEFORE any lifting of social distancing, the government would be acting recklessly and we would lose tens of thousands more lives, not that most Repub pols would care...

Pretty much.

Varn comments on Apr 10, 2020:

...you’d best start courting yourself, then..

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@WilliamCharles That's because the DNC doesn't really care about winning in Nov. , whether it's with Biden or who they replace him with. Maybe Varn doesn't get that, but most of us do...

It’s about the long term...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

I just heard that Biden is promising to lower the age for Medicare by 5 years and to relieve some student debt. That's good news but nothing close to far enough to get us onboard. If we except the crumbs that they offer us after screwing us during the primary each election cycle, the window ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

Those crumbs offered to progressives aren't even real. If Biden or any other centrist corporate Dem who replaces him were to somehow get elected in Nov., you could bet the house on it that none of Bernie's policies or these crumbs would be pushed by the Dem prez winner. Remember how Obama promised cardcheck for union members? He didn't even push for that, a very simple bill that would have really helped unions by making organizing so much easier, even tho he had a supermajority when he was elected. Guess he changed his mind when the Repubs didn't offer any bipartisan support, not that he needed it. No, the real reason was that he was already bought by big business even tho he lied during the campaign about how he was going to support unions and walk picket lines with them. Barry, the liar.. Intelligent Bernie supporters won't take this fake bait from Biden..

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

jlynn37 comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Sometimes it is prudent to just keep your thoughts to yourself. Free thought is always protected. Well, maybe not for jebus.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

It is so far, but I will not be surprised if we reach Orwell's 1984 while I am alive where we have our own Thought Police like he wrote about.

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

Marionville comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Agree...it also comes with an expectation of good judgement, something she showed she was sadly lacking in, but which we expect our elected representatives to have.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

There is no legal requirement to use good judgement when spouting off in public, as long as it doesn't rise to the level of libel or slander, in which case you could get sued and lose some money. Otherwise, not using good judgement will only cost you maybe a job and the friendship and/or goodwill of others.

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

kmaz comments on Apr 10, 2020:

"....Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction...." I don't know if your definition of free speech is characteristic of or based on some widespread ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

Here in the US, most states have at-will employment laws and the federal government also does not protect workers from being fired for any reason or no reason at all. So for all practical purposes, most Americans do not have freedom of speech if they depend on an employer for their income.

It’s about the long term...

Allamanda comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Or perhaps, It was about the longterm 30 years ago, now we have arrived.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

It's been going on a lot longer than 30 years. Try 58 years....

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

Jetty comments on Apr 10, 2020:

I'm inclined to agree based on the notion that one should take responsibility for one's own action and suffer the consequences, and that "action" includes a verbal action, i.e., speech. Having said that, I'm not sure if taking the membership and job away from the woman was an appropriate ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Jetty In her case, apparently it wasn't enough. Personally, I think it's petty and spiteful to fire someone over a political disagreement, but then again, in my experience most bosses enjoy being petty tyrants and dictators, so I'm not surprised. As far as her being kicked out of her political party, I'd say that is fair.

Appropriate meme for these times:

dalefvictor comments on Apr 9, 2020:

Why can't people do this?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@dalefvictor You have described, in a very basic and human to human level, what socialism is based in. Namely, that we are all human and have value to each other. Hence, we all deserve to have our basic needs met by the society if we cannot meet them thru capitalism. That all human lives deserve dignity and respect and have value that is not based on economic efficiency or profit as the top priority.

Now that Bernie's out, Joe Biden is the D nom for President in 2020! We're fucked.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 9, 2020:

You think the DNC and Biden is the difference between fucked and not-fucked?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

Trump and anyone that the DNC eventually picks to replace him as the nominee amount to Tweedledee and Tweedledum....Neither one is going to help anyone but the rich and big business recover their losses from this crisis. Neither Trump nor the corporate Dems care about the deaths of peasants from this virus. We are just an expendable population that they exploit for profit and labor while we have money to spend and enough health to work. After we no longer have either of those, we are just an entitlement program expense that they do not want to help pay for, so having us die early once we are retired is a bonus for them.

Americans Prefer Lip Service to Action Well, America - we're now finally "once again" down to ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 9, 2020:

Sad that only comedians, like Carlin and Lenny Bruce, can tell the truth about America, because the media censors anyone from telling the truth in our news and info.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@dan325 Unfortunately you are right. Half of our voting citizens are rubes..

Now that Bernie's out, Joe Biden is the D nom for President in 2020! We're fucked.

Bobbyzen comments on Apr 9, 2020:

It’s truly disheartening that the only voice of reason is out of the race. Biden hasn’t a prayer against Trump. There was speculation that once Joe became the presumptive nominee, the DNC would declare Biden unable to run (dementia or like) and put up a different candidate. But that’s sheer ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

I don't think it's conspiracy theory. Biden is not going to last thru the election. His mind is so far gone he couldn't have handled another debate with Bernie. He will be replaced before the general election by the DNC, now that Bernie is out of the race, which is what the DNC's real goal was. If Biden is not replaced, then everybody will finally see that the DNC's real goal was to stop Bernie, not to win in Nov..I believe that is the truth about the DNC and if they don't replace him with a better candidate who is not dementia-impaired, then we will know they never intended to win against Trump. I expect the nominee will eventually be another corporate hack, as you say. Right now it's hard to say who the DNC will pick. Could be Cuomo, Warren, or possibly one of the other primary candidates who already dropped out. Regardless of who is selected, I think Trump will win, so we agree on that at least. His mishandling of the crisis and the collapse of the economy don't seem to be hurting him in polls, so he seems to be getting the same kind of boost in a crisis, popularity-wise, that W got with 911.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@Paul4747 Sure. someone like Clinton. A president who promoted and signed NAFTA. A president who ended welfare for millions of people who still needed it... I could go on about our first DLC president who began repealing the New Deal while selling out to corporate America and catering to the rich.You are delusional in what you are willing to settle for with the system.

another week or two gone. has anyone picked up a new hobby or habit during the shutdown?

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Nope. Just staying at home and getting bored. Going outside for an exercise walk when it's warm enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@Donna_I Iowa needs to have widespread testing on demand, but neither the state or Trump are willing to pay for it.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

towkneed comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Wow. I really hate Trump. More than Biden, I guess. But it's stuff like this, telling people to just hold their nose, that makes others want to punch theirs. Your assumption that all Sanders supporters should automatically vote for Biden shows a brazen disregard for any kind of three dimensional...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

Well said, sir!!

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powder comments on Apr 8, 2020:

I'm afraid Biden will pick Clinton as running mate ie Hello 4 years more of Trump.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@SeaGreenEyez I agree with you that whoever is the Dem nominee, there will be a woman on the ticket, either as the nominee or the VP. That is now a requirement with the Dem party to satisfy the party base's desire for PC...

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powder comments on Apr 8, 2020:

I'm afraid Biden will pick Clinton as running mate ie Hello 4 years more of Trump.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@ToolGuy I keep offering a bet for $25 to every friend that is a Biden supporter that the Dem nominee, if it's not Bernie, will lose in Nov.. Not a one of them will take me up on it, yet they insist that I should support Biden. These same people keep saying they support Biden because he is electable, but they won't put their money behind it...

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bobwjr comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Bernie and Biden are getting together to make sure that his side is represents the new course of the party

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

Biden, and whoever the DNC picks in August to replace him as the nominee, will never give more than lip service to Bernie regarding Bernie's policies. It's all a con to try and convince Bernie and his supporters to vote Blue this Nov.. I saw this four years ago and I didn't fall for it then. I sure as hell won't fall for it now, after seeing the party screw Bernie twice now...

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@RoboGraham Seems like for most Biden supporters the only reasons they support him is that he is better than Trump, or so they think, and out of nostalgia for Obama. The latter reason is why older blacks voted for him in the primaries on Super Tuesday instead of Bernie, which is why Bernie had his so-called "problems" with black voters that the corporate media kept dogging Bernie about. There was simply nothing Bernie could do to overcome this with older blacks that were stupid enough to vote Biden just out of Obama nostalgia and the endorsements of corrupt black leaders that supported Biden. I hope those older black voters are happy with the next four years as Trump shits on them while Bernie, unlike Biden, would have actually tried to help them economically and on civil rights as well. Fools...People who vote out of simple tribalism like that deserve to be screwed, I suppose...Further proof of what bullshit identity politics is and how effectively it gets people to vote against their own class interests...

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@RoboGraham You're so right. We don't owe them shit. I also agree that the Biden supporters I have talked to have no other answers either to why they support him, other than that he's not Trump and might have better SC picks than Trump. But you can bet your ass that any Dem than Bernie will still only nominate SC picks that are pro-corporate and friends of the 1% all the way. Like you, I would have supported Warren or Gabbard, even tho I know Warren is a fake progressive and I would not have expected much from her if she did win the general. She would have been another Obama betrayer of her base.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Paul4747 There's nothing friendly about the party to me or other progressives and Obamacare was a Heritage Foundation Repub plan that Obama chose while he still had a supermajority in both parts of congress before the public debate over health care even began. He had already sold us out to the drug companies and the health insurance industry. He had already decided there would not even be a public option in the bill. When he lost his supermajority he was secretly happy with it because he could then get the bill he wanted, as Russ Feingold later admitted, and Obama could then blame the Repubs for his own evil sellout. Don't try to gaslight or lie to me, Paul. I am way more informed than most of the sheeple.. It's your party, not mine. It is beyond reform and needs to be blown up and replaced with a party that actually represents the 99%, like Bernie's movement did. "Progressives wanting it all Now, now, now"? We have been waiting since 1972, when McGovern was the last time the Dems nominated a progressive for prez (and then the party sandbagged him during the general). How many more decades are we supposed to wait until OUR turn? Apparently we are supposed to wait way longer than Hillary was supposed to wait. Nothing has changed since '72, the party unites to stop any progressive candidate. So, time's up on waiting for the party to change or reform.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Paul4747 Until the Dems start acting and adopting policies that show they actually WANT my vote, instead of acting with Rahm Emanuel- style contempt for me and my kind, they don't deserve my vote, because they make no effort whatsoever to EARN it. They can fuck off.......And, BTW, I am ready to bet right now that the Dems will lose in Nov. with whoever they choose to replace Biden, and trust me, he will be replaced.... It's laughable that you think that corporate Dems like Biden and Obama can be pushed to the left once they are prez. People like me and Bernie tried that when Obama was in office and he totally ignored us. Instead, Obama lied and pretended like he might be progressive if elected, then totally betrayed that after he was in power. Not going to keep getting played like that. Once a corporate Dem, always a corporate Dem, even after becoming prez. Obama got away with the con because he had only a short time in congress before his prez run, so he could let voters project their hopes on him for what he would do as prez. He was the perfect Manchurian candidate, no record to betray what he really was.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Paul4747 You're entitled to your opinion, but you need to understand that the blame for the Dems continuing to lose presidential elections belongs to the centrists and party leaders for continuing to shit on the progressives time after time. Until then, the Dems will usually lose prez elections and the Repubs will continue to come up with more monstrous nominees each time, which is how we ended up with Trump. I will not take the blame that rightly belongs with those in the Dem party that continue to ignore the working class and the poor while shitting on the progressives who try to fight for those two groups,while meanwhile the party cozies up to the rich, corporations, Wall Street, and the comfortable top 10%, the suburban voters whose economic interests are no different than the 1%. Those unholy alliances are what have killed the party and doomed them to lose presidential elections since 2000, with the exception of Obama, who won only because he was black and a skilled liar and con man who leveraged his race into making liberals and independents as well as poor people think he was going to actually change the status quo and make things more fair for the 99%. He then proceeded to crush the Occupy movement, which showed his true colors.

CNN Host To Pastor: How Is It 'Pro-Life' To Pack People Into Church Amid Pandemic?

Paracosm comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Being pro-life isn't about valuing life.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

Quite true. It only lasts to the point of birth and is really only about controlling women.

BREAKING: Bernie Sanders drops out of the 2020 presidential race [youtube.

glennlab comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Now is the time to start planing for 2022 state conventions. Rules for 2024 will be formed and adopted in 2022. I have been to every state convention since 1984, there is nothing you can do if you don't get involved.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

You do what you want. I have given up on the Dem party for prez elections. They are beyond reform and the party needs to blow up and be replaced with a party that actually represents the 99% like Bernie's movement did.

If Parishioners Die After Contracting COVID-19 .

bookofmorons comments on Apr 8, 2020:

one always as to keep in mind that these people are all about end of time and they are more than willing to take you with them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

If they believe this is the end time, then fine, let them get infected and die. Just don't others with them who don't believe in their fantasy.

Bernie's dropping out.

Theresa_N comments on Apr 8, 2020:

I really am amazed at how badly biden is coming across during this pandemic. I guess it's his dementia. I do hope that Bernie stays in the race.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

Joe is coming off badly because he has early stage dementia and the only people who don't see it or admit it are his supporters and the corporate media. His dementia will be revealed by the media only after he is replaced by the DNC. I know about dementia and what the early stage looks like. My wife had it in 2011 and she died of dementia three years ago.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Varn Try this out for size, Varn. I know damn well that you and the rest of your Never-Bernie Dems would not have gotten behind Bernie if he had won the nomination, yet, I would not be blaming you if Bernie then somehow lost to Trump. So why won't you and your kind ever admit to your hypocrisy and double standard when it comes to the whole Blue-No-Matter-Who thing? Not holding my breath on getting an answer from you Varn....

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

How the hell do you expect him to enthusiastically endorse Biden when he knows damn well that Biden not only has dementia and is going to get crushed by Trump, but that Biden also has no intention of pursuing any of Bernie's policies if he did win? You and the other centrist Dems can suck on it and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@AmmaRE007 Trump has token opposition in the Repub primaries, but he has already been crowned as the nominee.

BREAKING: Bernie Sanders drops out of the 2020 presidential race [youtube.

Athena comments on Apr 8, 2020:

We aren't living in reality right now, but in a B rated movie plot about a political gong show set in the world during a global pandemic. Who knows how it will end? Does anyone really know? Maybe the current president will get attacked by the 4 killer bees left in the world. Maybe the clown...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Athena And our system is still too corrupt to allow him to be prez, along with most voters on the Dem side being too brainwashed to see what you and I do about the system. I still believe Bernie could and would win a general election, even if he ran as a Green this time. But he won't do it. I gave him money last time, but not this time, because I feared it would end this way and he wouldn't repay the DNC by running in the general against the DNC. I would give him money today if he ran in the general, but he won't do it. I hope he is smart enough to realize that the Dems will not make it up to him back in the Senate after this is over. He will still be marginalized there by the corporate Dems and their leaders.

BREAKING: Bernie Sanders drops out of the 2020 presidential race [youtube.

Athena comments on Apr 8, 2020:

We aren't living in reality right now, but in a B rated movie plot about a political gong show set in the world during a global pandemic. Who knows how it will end? Does anyone really know? Maybe the current president will get attacked by the 4 killer bees left in the world. Maybe the clown...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

We're totally screwed no matter who wins in Nov., whether it's Trump or whoever the DNC replaces Biden with in August. No doubt it will be a centrist corporate Dem whoever it is, including Warren the fake progressive who is totally willing to play ball with corporate America and Wall Street, despite her past history when she lobbied for the CFPB. She has turned her back on all that. The DNC might also draft Cuomo, who is also a good friend of the 1%, corporate America, and Wall Street, despite his leadership on the virus crisis. Don't be fooled by how the corporate media are building him up as the new hero. He is no friend of the 99% as he is still trying to cut his state's Medicaid budget even during this health crisis. He will never increase taxes on the rich or corporations like Bernie would.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Doraz Totally agree. Biden clearly has early stage dementia and I saw 8 years of that movie (dementia) when Reagan was prez. How can you centrist corporate Dems justify demanding that we support Biden, not to mention all of Biden's faults in his policies and record?

On the internet this morning there was a statement: "Biden says that Trump was gracious during ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Biden has dementia, not a mental disorder so much. His memory and thinking are impaired, tho the US media will never report it. Biden is being propped up and treated as the nominee to stop Bernie, but Biden will likely be replaced as the nominee this summer by the DNC when they appoint someone else ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Varn Watch me proven right, Varn, then feel free to apologize...

Bernie's dropping out.

Buddha comments on Apr 8, 2020:

I hope he's replaced. But with who ? I might consider Sherrod Brown ?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 8, 2020:

@Buddha You can bet your ass that the nominee will be a DNC puppet that is a corporate centrist, so all this talk about Bernie winning the war of ideas or of the nominee adopting any of Bernie's policies is just bullshit. The nominee that is selected by the DNC to replace Biden will have little policy differences from Trump on any of the issues that really matter to or affect the average American and that nominee will lose to Trump unless Trump is hurt too much by how the virus crisis goes and how bad the economy gets.

[gq.com] Horniness and social distancing. Comments?

Fit50something comments on Apr 7, 2020:

For some of us...same as it ever was. :(

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 7, 2020:

"Same as it ever was....water dissolving, and water removed..."- David Byrne

Trump is the captain of the Titantic sadly.........

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Trump- I'm bigger and better than God..If only we were as lucky as the UK as far as having our leader get the virus and have to step down for the time being. Pence couldn't help but be better than Trump in this crisis.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2020:

@ToolGuy Well, I would like to see Bernie as our prez, but the system is not going to allow that. What do you propose instead?

Trump is the captain of the Titantic sadly.........

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 6, 2020:

Trump- I'm bigger and better than God..If only we were as lucky as the UK as far as having our leader get the virus and have to step down for the time being. Pence couldn't help but be better than Trump in this crisis.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2020:

@starwatcher-al Maybe, but my hope is that Pence would at least be more open to listening to his medical and scientific advisers than Trump. Pence's ego might be smaller than Trump's, we can hope.

Is the US right in confiscating masks made in China at the 3M factory or should the buyer who paid ...

FearlessFly comments on Apr 5, 2020:

3M is a huge multinational conglomerate . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 6, 2020:

@EllenDale I guess that's why they've always said, Possession is nine-tenths of the law....

Is it bad to want to get married so I don't quarantine alone. It's seriously boring!

dkp93 comments on Apr 5, 2020:

I get it, though I do think you're probably joking about going so far as to marry someone. I'm at home with my dog and a teenager who hates me so I'm mostly just watching a lot of TV and eating too much. Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm still working four days per week so I get to see and talk to ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 5, 2020:

@dkp93 Sleep well then...

Is it bad to want to get married so I don't quarantine alone. It's seriously boring!

dkp93 comments on Apr 5, 2020:

I get it, though I do think you're probably joking about going so far as to marry someone. I'm at home with my dog and a teenager who hates me so I'm mostly just watching a lot of TV and eating too much. Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm still working four days per week so I get to see and talk to ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 5, 2020:

Better sleep with one eye open. The teenager might kill you in your sleep for the insurance money, if there is any, lol.

Thought I’d share a screen shot one of my coworkers shared on FB that another coworker posted.

motrubl4u comments on Apr 5, 2020:

If that's how bad their memory is perhaps they shouldn't be working. Perhaps they should be in assisted living due to their mental difficulties.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 5, 2020:

@IrishTxJudy Exactly. Even tho I hated Obama for being a lying corporate sellout, I remember how he was constantly harassed and criticized by the right during his whole presidency. Tho the corporate media was mostly too kind to him, with the exception of Fox News, the haters in the general public were as bad or worse to him than Trump's critics among the citizens.

Is the US right in confiscating masks made in China at the 3M factory or should the buyer who paid ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 4, 2020:

That's a tough moral dilemma. Maybe the answer is that we should do less outsourcing of manufacturing and make sure that we have factories here for everything that is essential to our health and national security instead of shipping it all to third world countries with starvation wages.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2020:

@Druvius Quite right. I always try to root for the higher life form...which in this case would be the gerbil..

Is the US right in confiscating masks made in China at the 3M factory or should the buyer who paid ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 4, 2020:

That's a tough moral dilemma. Maybe the answer is that we should do less outsourcing of manufacturing and make sure that we have factories here for everything that is essential to our health and national security instead of shipping it all to third world countries with starvation wages.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2020:

@Druvius See above...We need better leadership. Maybe Smudge?

Is the US right in confiscating masks made in China at the 3M factory or should the buyer who paid ...

Druvius comments on Apr 4, 2020:

The USA imports enormous amounts of medical equipment and pharmaceuticals from other countries. So fucking them over in this regard might not be the greatest idea, nu?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2020:

Well, yes, there's always that. However diplomacy and loyalty to allied nations have never been Trump's strong suit...

A little stark reality. A text today from a compadre in Ecuador. Stay at home. ☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 2, 2020:

Sounds like it's getting medieval down there. Reminds me of Monty Python And The Holy Grail. Can anyone say, "Bring out your dead.."?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2020:

@WonderWartHog99 My favorite line from that scene is John Cleese sneering for him to quit being "a big baby".

Near death experience

Athena comments on Apr 4, 2020:

Every time I've eaten at McDonald's.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 4, 2020:

That one's the winner in my book. Micky D's, we serve shit..

I am asking for suggestions.

thislife comments on Apr 3, 2020:

Hitler killed himself.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

We can only hope this changes..

Its about time for the President's Press Cartoon.

PBuck0145 comments on Apr 3, 2020:

TDS is rampant on this site.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

@Fred_Snerd Ok, thanks, that's what I expected it meant.

Its about time for the President's Press Cartoon.

PBuck0145 comments on Apr 3, 2020:

TDS is rampant on this site.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

What is TDS? Thank you in advance.

So yesterday at 2:40 I had a teleconference with my doctor that I had scheduled Tuesday — patients...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 3, 2020:

Meanwhile, in America, the greatest nation on Earth, I needed heart surgery to replace a valve. While waiting to have this procedure, my condition worsened and my cardiologist decided my heart was too weak for conventional heart surgery so she put me in touch with a surgeon in Boston who was capable...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

Ain't American for profit healthcare great? NOT!

A little stark reality. A text today from a compadre in Ecuador. Stay at home. ☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 2, 2020:

Sounds like it's getting medieval down there. Reminds me of Monty Python And The Holy Grail. Can anyone say, "Bring out your dead.."?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

@WonderWartHog99 One of my fav comedies, but then again, my sense of humor is pretty sick..

Religious figures blame LGBT+ people for coronavirus

t1nick comments on Mar 21, 2020:

Let's just turn the tables a little and say God brought this pestilence upon us because Evangelicals and Christians disregarded ethics and morals and backed Trump. Lol

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 3, 2020:

Sounds as plausible to me as their putting the blame on queer people. If God existed and I were him/her, I would be pissed at them for selling out my religion to back Trump.

Louisiana Church Packed For Services Again, Pastor Says You Can’t Arrest Us All | Michael Stone

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 2, 2020:

If it weren't for the fact that these idiots will end up going from their gatherings and then spreading the virus to the rest of us when they visit stores or medical facilities, my response would be along the line of what some officers said in the Vietnam War, which was " Kill em' all and let God ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 2, 2020:

@Joanne Precisely. I would not be very pumped about treating these idiots if I were a medical worker.

We're called essential, because calling us sacrificial would be to dam honest.

rogerbenham comments on Apr 1, 2020:

The workers are essential to the profits of the few.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 2, 2020:

Let the rich pick their own damn cotton!

An interesting turn of events: Florida Governor DeSantis today declared a shutdown of all ...

ArthurK comments on Apr 1, 2020:

God will protect. And if you get sick it is because you sinned and didn't repent.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 1, 2020:

"When they said, repent, repent, repent. I wonder what they meant"- Leonard Cohen, The Future.

Hidin' Biden is scheduled to appear on MSNBC tonite at 10 pm central time.

mcgeo52 comments on Mar 31, 2020:

The DNC made their choice. Now what are they going to do?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 1, 2020:

Probably replace Biden this summer after they have stopped Bernie and replace Biden with Warren or more likely one of the centrists who dropped out, like Mayor Pete or Klobuchar, who knows? Their whole aim is stopping Bernie, I don't think the DNC really cares that much who else is the nominee.

Words to live by: ".

kmaz comments on Mar 31, 2020:

It's mind-boggling to me that it's nearly April and in the US we still don't have testing widely available wherever it is needed and desired. At the very least, this should be talked about, discussed and beaten to death as a topic, everywhere until it gets completely done. It's mind-boggling to ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 31, 2020:

Not almost as if. We are a declining empire and our leaders see the common people as expendable, so they are fine with a certain amount of collateral damage from this virus as long as it doesn't kill anyone from the elites.

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ZantiMisfit comments on Mar 30, 2020:

Probably not, or at least not on the scale that happened when Trump was inaugurated. People on the Left and Right can be very selective about what they're outraged about.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 30, 2020:

Ain't that the truth... Most of them who are privileged always put their class interest ahead of being outraged about other things.

I just don't know what to put here, lol.

WayneDalton comments on Mar 30, 2020:

Chubby kitty

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 30, 2020:

Agreed, but the cat will say they are just big-boned...

Says it all...

RoboGraham comments on Mar 29, 2020:

Now would be a good time for a general strike

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 29, 2020:

No shit, I'm with you on that.

Hidin' Biden is saying he will not commit to another debate with Bernie in April, even tho the DNC ...

Buddha comments on Mar 28, 2020:

They need to have the debate..

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 28, 2020:

@Buddha I would love to see the Dem party blown up. They are beyond any chance of reform.

Hidin' Biden is saying he will not commit to another debate with Bernie in April, even tho the DNC ...

Athena comments on Mar 27, 2020:

They are an egregiously corrupt bunch, yet we haven't seen the worst of it, I'm sure. Biden has now been accused of sexual assault by former staffer, Tara Reade. Where's the news on this??? The Dems: "Nothing to see here."

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 28, 2020:

The corporate media here is in full Protect And Promote Biden mode.

Hidin' Biden is saying he will not commit to another debate with Bernie in April, even tho the DNC ...

Buddha comments on Mar 28, 2020:

They need to have the debate..

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 28, 2020:

@Buddha I doubt it. Too many people would be scared away from protesting by the virus and all the cops that the DNC would have there waiting for them.

Hidin' Biden is saying he will not commit to another debate with Bernie in April, even tho the DNC ...

Buddha comments on Mar 28, 2020:

They need to have the debate..

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 28, 2020:

My money says they won't, because the DNC wants to protect Biden until sometime this summer, when they will have him step aside so they can appoint someone like Warren or one of the other centrists who dropped out of the race as their nominee at the convention.

Joe Biden's last 5 "live" appearances are an EMBARRASSMENT to the Democratic Party. [youtube.com]

Aurora62 comments on Mar 28, 2020:

The people have been fooled to think we have a Democratic process. The oligarchs have controlled both parties for decades. They are the ones pulling the strings. The MSM are complicit in not reporting the voter suppression, rigging of the machines, and exit poll discrepancies. All to keep the people...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 28, 2020:

Bernie becoming prez would mean the oligarchs losing some of their power. No wonder then that the corporate media and the DNC are so united against him.

I just watched a video of televangelist Kenneth Copeland defending his lavish lifestyle, and why he ...

Novelty comments on Mar 19, 2020:

When the poor arise to eat the rich Copeland will be on the desert menu. 👄

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 27, 2020:

@Larry68Feminist Ok.

I just watched a video of televangelist Kenneth Copeland defending his lavish lifestyle, and why he ...

Novelty comments on Mar 19, 2020:

When the poor arise to eat the rich Copeland will be on the desert menu. 👄

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 27, 2020:

@Larry68Feminist Glad to hear it. Hope they spread it to some of the other Repub scum like their rich donors and other congresscritters of their party.

I just watched a video of televangelist Kenneth Copeland defending his lavish lifestyle, and why he ...

Novelty comments on Mar 19, 2020:

When the poor arise to eat the rich Copeland will be on the desert menu. 👄

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 27, 2020:

@Larry68Feminist I don't care how it looks, all I can say is Good...

Hidin' Biden is saying he will not commit to another debate with Bernie in April, even tho the DNC ...

bobwjr comments on Mar 27, 2020:

He is high risk for corona virus, and a lot of disinformation is being tossed around by trumps minions

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 27, 2020:

So is Bernie, but he's not hiding from the public like Biden is. There is little health risk for Biden by participating in a debate in an empty studio or giving an address to the public from his home. But he is hiding from cameras and microphones to conceal his dementia.

Credit and blame.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 26, 2020:

We are on our own as far as depending on Trump to help us thru this.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@Tinocca I think even most of the Repub governors are trying to do the right things and not blindly follow Trump on this out of party loyalty, because they know that if things go bad in their state the blame will be put on them, not Trump. Never underestimate self-interest when it comes to most pols. The Repub governor in my state appears to be doing exactly that, looking out for her own political future.

Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than In Other Countries : NPR

SeaGreenEyez comments on Mar 26, 2020:

Universal healthcare and ample testing labs. Go figure. (And here we are, only a few thousand tests per each non-explosion state. For being so great ... America sure is a joke.)

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@SeaGreenEyez Our state is not testing nearly that many per day. The figures I gave are the state's capacity of how many they can test at any one time. They are only testing those who feel sick and ask for the test. Nobody is being tested that is without symptoms or is just a person who had contact with someone who was proven infected. So we have really no idea how many people in our state are infected but are without symptoms or are not sick yet.

Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than In Other Countries : NPR

SeaGreenEyez comments on Mar 26, 2020:

Universal healthcare and ample testing labs. Go figure. (And here we are, only a few thousand tests per each non-explosion state. For being so great ... America sure is a joke.)

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

Here in Iowa our testing capacity is still only about seven or eight hundred at a time.

Well a little bit of good news today.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 26, 2020:

What do you sell?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@IrishTxJudy Sounds essential to me, just like my sister-in-law who works at a Lowe's hardware store.

Bernie Sanders unloads sarcasm on GOP senators: "Oh my God! The universe is collapsing.

dalefvictor comments on Mar 26, 2020:

Remember that Bernie is not liked by the establishment so he will not be the candidate unless the convention makes him the candidate. This is unlikely unless something happens. In these times we cannot guess at anything as there is way to much workings against him and us. I think the best we can do ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@OwlInASack It's not extraordinary at all when the corporate media is so coordinated and full of capitalist propaganda to brainwash Americans into thinking anything that is not right wing on economics is not even socialism but actually communism. The mass media in most other countries is not so monopolized and slanted towards the right and capitalism like it is here. Socialism is given fair and even-handed coverage in most countries, but not in the US.

The USA is fast tracking COVID-19 according to this chart.

Druvius comments on Mar 26, 2020:

Sadly very very predictable. And we're STILL not taking the measures needed to contain it. Trump and company actually do live in a fantasy world where is will all go away or Americans will be fine with millions dead.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

Smudge would be a great improvement on Trump..

I assume that with social distancing, nobody is recently meeting anyone in person from dating sites?

Larry68Feminist comments on Mar 26, 2020:

When HIV broke out, many people got tested carrying proof they were neither gay nor IV drug users or HIV positive.... next month people will start dating again beyond the incubation period proudly declaring they never set foot on a cruise ship or next to anyone from Wuhan

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@Larry68Feminist My late wife and I went together to get tested for HIV in the mid-1990s after we had been dating a couple months. Since she was past pregnancy age, it was nice that we could then lose the condoms..

I assume that with social distancing, nobody is recently meeting anyone in person from dating sites?

Larry68Feminist comments on Mar 26, 2020:

When HIV broke out, many people got tested carrying proof they were neither gay nor IV drug users or HIV positive.... next month people will start dating again beyond the incubation period proudly declaring they never set foot on a cruise ship or next to anyone from Wuhan

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

I doubt most members of dating sites will just take your word on those things.

Bernie Sanders unloads sarcasm on GOP senators: "Oh my God! The universe is collapsing.

Athena comments on Mar 26, 2020:

The election is still several months away and there is so much happening. We've certainly had a few shocking surprises so far. Will mass gatherings even be allowed in November? Joe is in la la land and needs a teleprompter to make any sense and a compass to find the bathroom. The stress and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

I was astonished to see the TV report from Australia where the newsperson openly discussed Biden's dementia (the link to it is on Agnostic in the Politics forum), unlike here in the US where the corporate media will not discuss his dementia, out of deference to the Dem establishment. Our censorship would make the old Soviet Union proud.

Strong Leadership! [youtube.

Fred_Snerd comments on Mar 26, 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-GoeFGyIc

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 26, 2020:

@Aurora62 Why am I not surprised? I saw a Super Tuesday special on Free Speech TV here in America, where they had all commentators from the left, including Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, and they freely reported and commented on Biden's obvious dementia and how the corporate media are covering for him and refusing to discuss it. Better than the old Soviet state censorship how they do the dirty work of the DNC and prop this poor old guy up.

The world squandered its first opportunity to stop the COVID-19.

JayOleck38 comments on Mar 25, 2020:

Yeah, probably. You're saying that's a bad thing?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

It's not a bad thing if it thins the herd of rich greedheads and ignorant fucks like most of Trump's supporters, but it's not a good thing for the rest of us.

This is going to be interesting to see how the virus plays out.

Larry-new comments on Mar 25, 2020:

Interesting is an understatement. This is the defining tragedy of a generation, and will be referred for decades as such. The economic effects alone are unknown, and may well devolve to the basic food and shelter needs of the long term unemployed. The societal changes alone will be tremendous. ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

At a minimum, you would hope that the masses would demand that we get single-payer universal health care, paid leave for all workers, and a return to manufacturing here in America of all crucial products such as medical supplies and medications instead of allowing outsourcing of them to countries with starvation wages, because all of these are now necessary as a matter of national security. Time to drop the War On Terrorism and focus on this real threat instead..

Modern Neoliberal Capitalism.

bigpawbullets comments on Mar 25, 2020:

Communism! I smell COMMUNISTS!!! 😎🍷🍷

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

I don't fear communists or communism. I fear neoliberal capitalists who are also fascists, which includes most members of both of our major parties in the US serving in the fed govt.. Otherwise, we would have seen the repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

A little light reading for these days. Lol

t1nick comments on Mar 25, 2020:

Been there read that ages ago. Fond of Camus

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

Re-read it during the 1980s AIDS plague. It was fitting then and it fits now even more.

Glenn Beck says the oldies should go to work because the economy is more important than their lives.

Druvius comments on Mar 25, 2020:

I think all the sociopthic monsters like him should scream their message loud and clear. It will make identifying and rounding them up easier when the tribunals start. Assuming there even are tribunals.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

Sadly, if there ever are tribunals and a revolution, they will happen only long after I am dead.

What do you fear more.

Freespirit64 comments on Mar 24, 2020:

I fear Trunk for another 4 years....please no

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 25, 2020:

@Silvertongue Just like four years ago, we won't get to find out as the Dems won't nominate Bernie.

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Wangobango3 comments on Mar 24, 2020:

Well it has shown irrefutably that capitalism is broken. The cracks can no longer be papered over with freshly printed currency.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

You're absolutely right about that, at least for anyone intelligent who is paying attention, but that would be a minority of Americans.

He wants us to sacrifice

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 24, 2020:

Profits over people, the total opposite of Bernie. Trump really doesn't care how many people die from this as long as they're not members of his family or his circle of rich friends. The rest of us are totally expendable and worthless to him.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@Fred_Snerd How true..

What do you fear more.

altschmerz comments on Mar 24, 2020:

How about if you're worried about more than one thing? The first three worry me.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@altschmerz You're probably right and I was not saying that the Admin. would or must change the poll. My point is that it's something for all of us to think about in the future if we set up a poll with multiple options that might overlap. We all have the right to our opinions, that's the whole point of this site. I am not going to cower in fear about disagreeing openly with the Admin. or a moderator of one of the groups.

What do you fear more.

resserts comments on Mar 24, 2020:

For me, it's an all-of-the-above situation: The death toll may not be the worst part, but it definitely sets the tone and amplifies people's anxiety and fear — if not for themselves, then for their loved ones. The need for social distancing and non-essential business limits is likely to result in...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

My point below.

What do you fear more.

Sticks48 comments on Mar 24, 2020:

All of it. You can't separate any of it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

My point below.

What do you fear more.

Freespirit64 comments on Mar 24, 2020:

I fear Trunk for another 4 years....please no

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@Silvertongue The Dems have way better than Biden, Bernie Sanders, but they are too determined to stop him to care about winning in Nov..

What do you fear more.

itsmedammit comments on Mar 24, 2020:

I am anxious about deaths, the overload on the health systems, our economy, the stress on everyone and the perhaps lasting effects of this mess.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

So you would want to vote for 4 of the options. Proves my point below.

What do you fear more.

altschmerz comments on Mar 24, 2020:

How about if you're worried about more than one thing? The first three worry me.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

That was my point below. Bierbasstard seems to think that wanting to vote for multiple options is a joke and unnecessary.

What do you fear more.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 24, 2020:

When will posters learn that you need to allow voting for multiple option when you do these polls? Otherwise you don't get accurate results.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@Bierbasstard I guess the difference between you and me is that I will say what I think regardless of who I disagree with, while you, it seems, would instead kiss someone's ass because they are in a position of power. I also trust that the Admin., Andrew, is not petty enough, like maybe you are, that he would ban me for simply disagreeing with his choice on how he set up the poll. I guess we will see if he bans me for it, like you appear to wish he would do and would do yourself if you had his power. Maybe your member name is appropriate.

Well, he's got more faith than i do .

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 24, 2020:

Maybe Falwell should go "back to school" like the Rodney Dangerfield character in the movie of that name. He could live in the dorms with the infected, but asymptomatic students and see if his God keeps him from getting infected. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@Philip21 I'm hoping to get by without any breathing issues...

What do you fear more.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 24, 2020:

When will posters learn that you need to allow voting for multiple option when you do these polls? Otherwise you don't get accurate results.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

@Bierbasstard The system already offers the multiple vote option. I'm just saying posters should think it thru and use it when they set up the poll.

The Virus of Capitalism Has Infected the COVID-19 Fight

AstralSmoke comments on Mar 23, 2020:

It will be old news and people will have forgotten about it by then.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 24, 2020:

I think by Nov. people will still be dying from this and the virus will still be spreading.. People will not forget.

The Coronavirus Recession Has Begun The coronavirus pandemic has infected hundreds of thousands ...

powder comments on Mar 23, 2020:

So you're saying you're going to get fucked real hard.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 23, 2020:

The only difference is the Dems provide some lubrication and the Rebubs don't.. The end result is the same..