As coronavirus spreads, the futility of religion becomes obvious | Andrew Seidel

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 13, 2020:

Maybe God, as in the days of Noah and the flood, is using the pandemic to thin the herd and maybe save the planet from climate change? Just a thought....

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 23, 2020:

@TomParos My point is suggesting a thought for how to see this pandemic for those who do believe in God. Jus' sayin'- chill out man..

Oh no! Only 11 left!

indirect76 comments on Mar 23, 2020:

Now that shaking hand is not fashionable I’m free to use my hands instead of toilet paper.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 23, 2020:

@pgrobinson That is certainly disturbing and more than I wanted to hear, but thanks anyway for sharing.....

Oh no! Only 11 left!

joeymf86 comments on Mar 23, 2020:

What are you doing?!?!?! GO TO THE STORE NOW!!! You need more toilet paper....like at least 25 rolls. Then once you're down to 20 rolls left, that's when you buy 25 more!! That's Hoarding 101. ;)

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 23, 2020:

The problem is that right now, with all the hoarding, if you wait until you are down to your last several rolls, you may actually run out before you can buy another several rolls. It really is still that bad in the stores. Most people are lucky to ever find any TP even if they make several store trips in a week.

My cat is running errands for me...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 22, 2020:

Actually, I've heard that animals can get the virus..

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 22, 2020:

@HippieChick58 What about cats?

Don't be the dude asking the question!

Killtheskyfairy comments on Mar 22, 2020:

This is really very sad. All of the hype of the Bernie rallies and they can’t get to the polls?!? Probably better this way because Bernie is neither the most progressive or the most effective senator we had as choices.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 22, 2020:

@Killtheskyfairy I disagree with those other names. Bernie is way more progressive than them on policies.

Don't be the dude asking the question!

Killtheskyfairy comments on Mar 22, 2020:

This is really very sad. All of the hype of the Bernie rallies and they can’t get to the polls?!? Probably better this way because Bernie is neither the most progressive or the most effective senator we had as choices.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 22, 2020:

I'm curious who you thought was more progressive of the candidates?

Breaking/Exclusive: Lockdown 72 Hours, Unconfirmed report from (uninformed?

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 21, 2020:

So is this some rumor or whatever that on Mon. the feds will implement an indefinite national lockdown? What exactly is suspected?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@William_Mary Here in Iowa, we have had pretty good compliance by both citizens and businesses with the governor's policies of social distancing, so I think they will probably just stick with what is already in place. We have only 68 total cases so far and no deaths at this time. So far, only two cities in the state have 75% of the current cases, so they seem to be keeping it from spreading very widely in the state.

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 21, 2020:

That is why I will confront hoarders myself if I see them doing it in a store. I don't care if the staff is too chickenshit to confront them and limit their buying, I will shame them myself. What are they going to do, hit a stranger that might be infectious?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@Lilac-Jade I can't blame them, if they are hourly peons who don't get treated well enough to take any risks for the store..

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 21, 2020:

That is why I will confront hoarders myself if I see them doing it in a store. I don't care if the staff is too chickenshit to confront them and limit their buying, I will shame them myself. What are they going to do, hit a stranger that might be infectious?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@Lilac-Jade Stores need to realize that these kind of customers are worth losing, and even if they aren't where else are they gonna go? The stores hold all the power at this time and customers are at their mercy to buy what they need, so pissing off these assholes is really low risk at this time for the stores. Plus, if they spit on staff those customers could be held for the police and charge with assault.

This is Joe.

Athena comments on Mar 20, 2020:

If I lived in the US I could not bring myself to vote for this creep. No more holding one's nose to vote for someone whose politics and policies don't align with their own, just because he's (marginally) better than the other guy. Enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@Athena That's how bitter the divide is in America where your vote is seen as being so important in the prez race. In my state, which went for Trump by about 15%, my vote might actually matter in the outcome, or this time, it might not. As for them telling me I must not only vote for Biden but also support him, I know damn well that if Bernie was the nominee they would not be willing to support and campaign for him. So it's hypocritical and a double standard.

Dear Bernie supporters, if Bernie does not get the nomination please please please put all your ...

TattedIrishXx comments on Mar 5, 2020:

Exactly! I think, well no, obviously they’re trying to railroad him and us AGAIN!!! They all took money from big banks, pharma and the like; they know his policies would screw them and they’re beholden to their donors. I hate to be negative and I’m still going to make phones calls, donate, ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@TattedIrishXx The only power we have left would be to get out in the streets like the Europeans with their yellow vests and raise hell, but even then it would take more than that in America and most Americans are not revolutionary-minded like that. Our leaders would just ignore mass protests like they already do when it's against war. In America it would take a mass movement with tens of millions hitting the streets coupled with general strikes and mass non-cooperation with corporate America. Anything less would not be powerful enough and I don't see enough Americans up for that, esp. when most of them are too saddled with debt to take the risk or have the time to get involved.

This is Joe.

Athena comments on Mar 20, 2020:

If I lived in the US I could not bring myself to vote for this creep. No more holding one's nose to vote for someone whose politics and policies don't align with their own, just because he's (marginally) better than the other guy. Enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@Athena I will probably vote Green and then lie to my liberal Dem friends that I voted for Biden. Otherwise, I will never hear the end of it from them and those friendships would then have to end. Believe it or not, one of them even told me I needed to also campaign or volunteer for Biden. I told him that would never happen with me, even tho he knows how strongly I support Bernie.

hi i have cp too.

TheDoubter comments on Mar 20, 2020:

what is cp?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 20, 2020:

I'm guessing it's the coronavirus?

I just watched a video of televangelist Kenneth Copeland defending his lavish lifestyle, and why he ...

Novelty comments on Mar 19, 2020:

When the poor arise to eat the rich Copeland will be on the desert menu. 👄

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@Novelty I always hope for karma and poetic justice, but I seldom see it play out...

to saint with love

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 18, 2020:

From what the corporate media are saying, the rest of the primaries may well be called off and the DNC will just declare Biden the nominee..The DNC can do whatever they want to as long as they are willing to put up with the uproar, as the courts have declared them a private organization that does ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@Sticks48 I'll ask you a ? Is it fair that most Dem voters will probably not get to vote in the primaries at all?

There will be a sharp rise in domestic violence on Sundays now that there are no sporting events to ...

PondartIncbendog comments on Mar 15, 2020:

Yeah. Nothing like a bunch of wife beaters home all the time. And with the added stress? And alcoholism is going to soar..

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 18, 2020:

And now, with the restrictions on gatherings of over 10 people, there won't be any 12-step meetings for alcoholics...

No new posts here in the last 5 days. Is everybody giving up on Bernie's campaign?

Athena comments on Mar 17, 2020:

I think everyone is just freaked out about the virus apocalypse. People are losing their jobs and trying to keep up with what's going on! I haven't given up on him!

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Athena I'm on blood thinners and a heart medication that keeps my heart rate low, so I am cold-blooded. Hence, I keep my home at 75 degrees. Therefore, walking outside in 45 degrees is uncomfortably cold.

Is giving every American the same amount of taxpayer dollars a regressive tax?

RoboGraham comments on Mar 17, 2020:

No it's economic stimulus and it mitigates some of the income loss that people suffer from practicing social distancing.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham Too bad the fools settle for the bread dole these days and either vote for Biden or don't vote at all.

Is giving every American the same amount of taxpayer dollars a regressive tax?

RoboGraham comments on Mar 17, 2020:

No it's economic stimulus and it mitigates some of the income loss that people suffer from practicing social distancing.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@RoboGraham No shit. It is also to prevent mass crime by the unemployed as well as riots or rebellion. Just enough to keep the lid on for a while...

No new posts here in the last 5 days. Is everybody giving up on Bernie's campaign?

Athena comments on Mar 17, 2020:

I think everyone is just freaked out about the virus apocalypse. People are losing their jobs and trying to keep up with what's going on! I haven't given up on him!

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Athena I wished I lived in a warmer state. With my fitness center closed, I have to go exercise walk outside and 45 degrees is a little cold for my tastes.

No new posts here in the last 5 days. Is everybody giving up on Bernie's campaign?

Athena comments on Mar 17, 2020:

I think everyone is just freaked out about the virus apocalypse. People are losing their jobs and trying to keep up with what's going on! I haven't given up on him!

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 17, 2020:

I'm probably a bit out of touch with that, as I've been retired for a couple years and don't get out that much anyway. I've also noticed that the site itself is pretty slow this week, probably because people are pre-occupied even if they are home from work or school.

Maybe I hurt her feelings?

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 16, 2020:

Proof that if you've got the money, there's always enough love in the world available, hee, hee....

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

@MikeEC I'm sure they have enough "love" to share with all of us, ha, ha..

I'm not just blocking you because I think you're an asshole, I'm practicing good social distancing.

bingst comments on Mar 16, 2020:

I did that recently to two people here. And yeah, I do feel better. :P

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

Glad I could help.

Just had a thought for a dystopian SF plot.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Mar 16, 2020:

Imagine a disease that was spread by sex and had a 100% fatality rate (AIDS did for a few years)

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

@DavidDuhon Reagan wouldn't even say the word on TV, almost makes Trump look reasonable.

To Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders supporters.

RoboGraham comments on Mar 16, 2020:

I swallowed as I voted for Clinton. I won't be doing that again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSu3khaJunE&t=3698s

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

I'm still deciding whether to hold my nose for Biden in Nov..

To Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders supporters.

Fred_Snerd comments on Mar 16, 2020:

Biden is a horrible person. This guy seems presidential. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYg21j8zwn8

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

Unfortunately, Bernie did not seem to really go after Biden for the jugular last night and Joe's dementia did not seem obvious. So I think the race is effectively over...

To Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders supporters.

prometheus comments on Mar 16, 2020:

One candidate's supporters are clearly not on board with that. They are as determined and contrarian as flat earthers.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 16, 2020:

And you're telling me with a straight face that the Biden supporters would vote for and campaign for Bernie if the shoe was on the other foot and he became the nominee? I call bullshit on that, because I know most of them are hypocrites who only believe in Anyone-But-Trump if the nominee is a corporate centrist. Don't try lying to me about it...

Democrats and Their Media Allies Impugned Biden’s Cognitive Fitness. Now They Feign Outrage.

David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2020:

The last two weeks observing US politics has made it very clear what the struggle is in the US. It's not between the Democratic Party and Trump and his syncos in the Republican Party. It's between the US working population and the Establishment, which controls both parties, and has the same ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 15, 2020:

I'm sure they sleep very well. They are rich and comfortable.

I just heard a news report on the president’s trip to India.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Sarcasm alert in advance....You obviously haven't gotten with the program yet. Everything is "double-plus good", as Orwell would say...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

@Aristippus More and more true? By now it's freakin' non-fiction....

I just heard a news report on the president’s trip to India.

resserts comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Remember when everything was "sweet"? Or when they were "neat"? When things were "rad"? What about "gnarly"? Weren't things "far out"? "Totally"! How about when everything was "the tops"? We've *always* had slang, and it's always been a simplistic way of communicating. What a "drag," huh?! I know ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

@Aristippus I know Trump went to college sometime, but I doubt he did much listening or learning then, kinda like now.....

Why do the faithful fear coronavirus?

abyers1970 comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Probrably the same reason why a Pastor needs a gun when preaching a sermon. Gods protection is not enough you need a 9 mm. https://youtu.be/NDSDpGlU1Ec

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

Sounds like he trusts in his 9 mil. rather than in God..

Smart cat! .

OldGoat43 comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Like I've said before, animals are getting smarter while humans are getting dumber.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

@dalefvictor My guess is they will settle for enslavement..

Smart cat! .

OldGoat43 comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Like I've said before, animals are getting smarter while humans are getting dumber.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

Wouldn't surprise me. Cats are quietly planning world domination...

Smart cat! .

Druvius comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Honestly, as someone who has read a lot on animal cognition, pretty sure this can't be real. I don't think the cat brain can process information like that. I could be wrong, I'll have to poke around and see what studies along those lines have been done.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

I'll bet Smudge's brain can process like that!

March 13, 2020: With empty shelves, cancelled events, closing schools, rising infection, high ...

Jamespuck comments on Mar 14, 2020:

I keep wanting to list my assets and liabilities, but maybe the most important is that I know how to create in adversity, and survive sometimes in style. Joking told someone yesterday that 'wow you have so much toilet paper. I guess when I need some I could just Rob your house when so many are dead....

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

Hopefully this crisis doesn't turn into some version of The Purge movies...

Notice that the 1% in politics and business has been hit with Covid19?

Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 14, 2020:

No, because they can afford good health insurance. They. Don't really care about the peons. For them, it is all about accumulating mass wealth to ride put the future collapses.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

Actually, the 1% don't even bother with health insurance. They self pay for their health care and for them it is pocket change.

March 13, 2020: With empty shelves, cancelled events, closing schools, rising infection, high ...

Druvius comments on Mar 14, 2020:

You're not impressed by the crack team of grocers he assembled to fight Covid-19? https://united-cats.com/2020/03/13/i-have-no-words-grocers-to-fight-a-pandemic/

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 14, 2020:

We need your cat Smudge to lead us instead..

Notice that the 1% in politics and business has been hit with Covid19?

Lorajay comments on Mar 13, 2020:

I don't it will thank it will affect the 1% but smart people in the middle class may come to realize that without a universal health care system their own health is in danger from a pandemic.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

The crucial group to affect is those in the top 10%, the comfortable controller/professional class. They tend to vote against the interests of the lower classes, but epidemics like this may get them to vote for single payer out of self interest so things like this don't end up hurting them. Unlike the 1%, they don't live in the same kind of bubble with their own planes and compounds.

No one owes Joe their vote.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 13, 2020:

The Dems can have and will have earned my vote when they quit standing for nothing but identity politics and multiculturalism, which cost the rich and corporations nothing, and instead start fighting for the lower classes and trying to reverse the class war of the last 40 years. Until then, they can...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@Athena I agree that Biden was picked by the establishment for his appeal to older voters and Obama nostalgia.

No one owes Joe their vote.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 13, 2020:

The Dems can have and will have earned my vote when they quit standing for nothing but identity politics and multiculturalism, which cost the rich and corporations nothing, and instead start fighting for the lower classes and trying to reverse the class war of the last 40 years. Until then, they can...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@Athena Agreed, they could have done way better than him by selecting someone without dementia that was just as much of a corporate centrist.

No one owes Joe their vote.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 13, 2020:

The Dems can have and will have earned my vote when they quit standing for nothing but identity politics and multiculturalism, which cost the rich and corporations nothing, and instead start fighting for the lower classes and trying to reverse the class war of the last 40 years. Until then, they can...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@Athena You aren't being cynical enough here. There is no mistake whatsoever in this. They deliberately want to lose to Trump if it keeps Bernie out of the White House.

As coronavirus spreads, the futility of religion becomes obvious | Andrew Seidel

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 13, 2020:

Talk about pro-active. The Unitarian church in Des Moines has cancelled all activities, including services, even tho the total confirmed cases in my state are about a dozen, all in the other side of the state, and there are no confirmed cases in my local area. Looks like they are going to ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@Merseyman1 Indefinitely.

YouTube: "Kenneth Copeland heals viewers of Coronavirus through their televisions" This disease ...

PondartIncbendog comments on Mar 13, 2020:

I wonder if he can sense the presence of my middle finger.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

Good one...

Why do the faithful fear coronavirus?

creative51 comments on Mar 13, 2020:

Well, ya see, god is on spring break right now, so they have to fend for themselves, kinda disturbing to them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@LenHazell53 Funny...

Why do the faithful fear coronavirus?

Charlene comments on Mar 13, 2020:

It's a plague from Gaawd brought on by our____________, and by allowing _____________ to be seen and accepted as Normal people. It's the Wrath of Gaaaawd! Fill in the blanks with whatever group/ community the Kkkristians hate at the moment.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

Yup, straight up hating on queer people...

Real News...Here we go folks: [youtube.com]

Bobbyzen comments on Mar 13, 2020:

No toilet paper on the shelves of my local Target. Luckily I bought the 87,000-roll package from Costco last week 🤪

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

I have enough to last me at least until summer..

Real News...Here we go folks: [youtube.com]

BitFlipper comments on Mar 13, 2020:

It's like the fuckin' Twilight Zone.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

" The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street", to be precise. A classic episode.....

When Trump came into office the US was already a great nation.

Druvius comments on Mar 12, 2020:

You're not wrong.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 13, 2020:

@t1nick Smudge is Druvius's cat friend who is running for prez. See his avatar above.

When Trump came into office the US was already a great nation.

Druvius comments on Mar 12, 2020:

You're not wrong.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 12, 2020:

We need your buddy Smudge!

The DNC has screwed the pooch again.

bobwjr comments on Mar 11, 2020:

There is still a lot of disinformation being floated about by republicans, be wary, he was a good VP backed Obama, was poorest senator in Congress, still way better than trump

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@Charlene I voted for Obama in 2008, but as soon as I saw his cabinet appointments I knew we had been conned and that we were screwed as progressives for the next 8 years, because any attacks against him, from the left or the right (no matter how valid) were dismissed as racist. Man, how I hated Barry The Liar, which is why being stuck with Biden is doubly infuriating when I see how he rides Obama's coattails, which objectively are not that great to begin with. Nader agreed with me immediately after Obama's cabinet was announced and denounced Obama as a con man. Too bad most blacks were too drunk on racial pride to see the truth of that. By 2012, I was voting Green and also did that in 2016 after Bernie got screwed the first time. My state went for Trump by over 10%, so my conscience vote did not matter in the outcome.

The DNC has screwed the pooch again.

bobwjr comments on Mar 11, 2020:

There is still a lot of disinformation being floated about by republicans, be wary, he was a good VP backed Obama, was poorest senator in Congress, still way better than trump

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@Charlene Exactly! Why blacks voted for him, outside of Obama nostalgia and race loyalty over that, is beyond me. He has been no friend to blacks who are working class or poor.

This just in- Bernie will address the media today at 1 pm ET.

dare2dream comments on Mar 11, 2020:

You are making a lot of assumptions.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

We'll see how many of them are right.

Joe Biden Obviously Has Dementia and Should Withdraw | Ted Rall's Rallblog

bobwjr comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Sounds like trumper post

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

Ted Rall is a radical socialist, not a Trumper by any means.

I have started a new group called COVID-19 in an effort to provide a forum for free thinkers, ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Jesus ain't gonna save anybody from this.....

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@Surfpirate Yeah, my attitude is "You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better"... suckers....

This just in- Bernie will address the media today at 1 pm ET.

Buddha comments on Mar 11, 2020:

I'm with him all the way ! No to joe

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

Now that people are aware of Biden's dementia and his handlers are trying to hide him and protect him, my nickname for him is Hidin' Biden...

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Have you seen the short list of Biden's likely appointments to his cabinet and economic advisors? Another bunch of Wall Street folks, including plenty of Goldman Sucks figures, same as Obama's bunch. No wonder they were scared of Bernie. He would have appointed only allies of the bottom 90%.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@david75090 Time to block, you ass...BTW, my comments on Biden's short list are from a progressive website, not a conservative one. David just can't stand it if someone brings up info he doesn't like...

This just in- Bernie will address the media today at 1 pm ET.

Athena comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Thank goodness he didn't drop out. I'm keeping my cool although I'm feeling contempt for the democratic party and their corruption. There's still hope.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

We shall see. I'm still ready to bet even money that the DNC will cancel the debate before Sun. and also not have one in April either. Even if the debate goes on, you can be sure the moderators will be ready to protect Biden from Bernie...

New survey finds only one in four Americans are practicing Christians who prioritize faith and ...

WilliamFleming comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Interesting to me is that the decline is as great or greater in older people as in the young. Hard to fathom is that half the decline is said to be due to people taking up religions other than Christianity. What religions are they moving to?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@maturin1919 Somebody's got to pay for those mansions, private jets, etc.....

New survey finds only one in four Americans are practicing Christians who prioritize faith and ...

WilliamFleming comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Interesting to me is that the decline is as great or greater in older people as in the young. Hard to fathom is that half the decline is said to be due to people taking up religions other than Christianity. What religions are they moving to?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@maturin1919 God takes cash, checks, Visa or Mastercard.......

Yup...Right on!!!!

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Kitty looks like it could use a little less sleep, a little more exercise, and a lot less food....

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

Still a cutie...

I have started a new group called COVID-19 in an effort to provide a forum for free thinkers, ...

Mitch07102 comments on Mar 11, 2020:

I heard an insight from someone in the pharma industry who has seen data regarding how the virus spread in China, where it appears to have crested. Think of a wave. We are getting hit by it now. Get ready for it to get worse before it gets better, exacerbated by our governments slow response, and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

My over-55 retirement condo community is having a meeting later this month to discuss temporarily closing our lodge/clubhouse building in order to slow possible spread of the virus in our community. We have a lot of old people here who would likely die if they got infected.

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

prometheus comments on Mar 11, 2020:

If Sanders is such a great candidate why didn't he win?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@prometheus Which is why Warren ran as the spoiler to hurt Bernie and still refuses to endorse him.

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Have you seen the short list of Biden's likely appointments to his cabinet and economic advisors? Another bunch of Wall Street folks, including plenty of Goldman Sucks figures, same as Obama's bunch. No wonder they were scared of Bernie. He would have appointed only allies of the bottom 90%.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@david75090 I assume I will be getting your apology should Biden somehow win and his appointments end up being exactly like what I described above? I didn't think so....The source of the appointments list was not Fox News, which I rarely watch and only watch rarely in order to see how much fairer their coverage of Bernie is compared to CNN or MSNBC.

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

You got it all right. The Dem leaders would rather lose with a neoliberal centrist than win with a leftist, because a leftist would end their corrupt gravy train with the lobbyists and corporate America. Trump saying he was scared of running against Biden was just a ploy to egg the Dems on into ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@david75090 I am doing neither. I am fully aware of Trump and his sins. You can shove your fall in line crap. Enjoy your loss this fall...

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Have you seen the short list of Biden's likely appointments to his cabinet and economic advisors? Another bunch of Wall Street folks, including plenty of Goldman Sucks figures, same as Obama's bunch. No wonder they were scared of Bernie. He would have appointed only allies of the bottom 90%.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@David1955 No shit. Bernie would have truly tried to drain the swamp, unlike Trump, or died trying. That is why both parties, as well as the corporate media, feared him.

The DNC has screwed the pooch again.

TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 11, 2020:

The Dem party is useless and I hope it finally blows up and is replaced with a true workers party for the 99% or at least for the bottom 90%. The two main problems with the Dem party are its leaders which are part of the 1% as well as all of the suburban members who are part of the top 10% that ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@ToolGuy You're probably right, but after two election cycles where Bernie tried to reform the Dem party and failed, it's time for the Dem party to be blown up and replaced with something that is not controlled by billionaires for the benefit of the 1%. Bernie and AOC have shown how to fund campaigns without selling out to corporations or billionaires...

The DNC has screwed the pooch again.

Athena comments on Mar 11, 2020:

They're definitely giving it to themselves in the rear! Another member here speculated that if Bernie drops out today, they'll take it away from Biden, either for his failing health, or the pretense of it deteriorating and put another candidate in there, like Warren.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@balou I think she would still lose to Trump. If she were the nominee, I would feel better about it than with Biden because at least she is mentally sharp, but at the same time I would expect little from her if she was elected prez. She is a fake progressive and she would govern as Obama 2.0, a Repub lite.

The Biden Train Wreck That's On Its Way The US pro Biden corporate media and the Democratic Party...

prometheus comments on Mar 11, 2020:

If Sanders is such a great candidate why didn't he win?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@David1955 I have and it disgusts me. Bernie gets fairer coverage on Fox News than he does on MSNBC.

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AmyTheBruce comments on Mar 11, 2020:

It sucks to see defeat this early, doesn't it? I also think that Biden is quite possibly the worst candidate that the Dems could have chosen, but... ... I'll vote for him, reluctantly. Maybe (this is a long shot, I know,) he'll choose a great running mate that people can get excited about.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

He will end up with Klobuchar as a running mate. She will add nothing that will help him.

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prometheus comments on Mar 11, 2020:

If Sanders is such a great candidate why didn't he win?

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

Because he had the leadership of the Dem party against him as well as all of the corporate media.

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RobinGray comments on Mar 11, 2020:

You’re not even American. Stay out of it!

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@David1955 He is right. American politics has a great effect on the rest of the world. He has a stake in it and also a right to weigh in, as long as he does not interfere with the process.

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david75090 comments on Mar 11, 2020:

The opposite of what you're saying is true. In 2016, Trump got the anti-Hillary vote. Millions didn't trust her. She still got almost 3 million more votes than Your Boy. That won't happen this time. America has seen Trump for 3 years. It will be 4 by election day. They've caught his act. He will...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 11, 2020:

@OwlInASack The irony is that blacks, particularly older blacks, were the group that powered Biden to his primary wins on Super Tuesday and last night. The reasons they voted overwhelmingly for him instead of Bernie was their nostalgia for the Obama years, combined with all the endorsements Biden got from corrupt black leaders in their states. Bunch of gullible, tribalistic voters, putting their race ahead of policy and their own interests. What the hell has Biden ever done for blacks in America, esp. working class and poor blacks?

Smart lady that knows how it is [youtu.be]

RoboGraham comments on Mar 10, 2020:

"You can't be poor and happy at the same time" So true.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

Not only that, but when you are poor, you are excluded and unable to participate in normal types of social events and community. You can go to church and support groups, assuming you don't have kids to look after or have someone to provide free child care, but that's about it...

If Bernie loses bad tonite, I won't be surprised if he concedes and drops out.

dare2dream comments on Mar 10, 2020:

California is the most populous state. We use mail in ballots a lot. Each one has to be opened by hand, verified and tabulated. It takes time. California has a paper ballot instead of voting on a computer. I think Bernie will stay in all the way to the convention even if he is behind. He will do...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

I hope you're right, but I am afraid he will drop out tomorrow since he went home to Vermont tonite and announced that he will not talk to the public tonite. I don't trust computer voting anymore because the Repubs have shown how easy it is to cheat using those, such as Ohio in 2004.

Proud Granny today, my youngest is getting ready to cast her 1st vote and she called me to ask my ...

FearlessFly comments on Mar 10, 2020:

Historically, there is virtually no evidence that a VP gives significant help to get a presidential candidate elected.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@FearlessFly We'll see in about six or seven years. Hope I am around to see it. My crystal ball was right on the money about how the Dem establishment would screw Bernie this time, so I trust it...

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Storm1752 comments on Mar 8, 2020:

You might actually be right. It's like fans who insist Tom Brady is still a great--or at least above-average--quarterback! I've always really liked Joe Biden and I hate to see it, but he does seem to be suffering from early-stage dementia. Still plenty of primaries, still plenty of choices...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

You'll never get kensmiles to admit it....Biden's dementia.

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Storm1752 comments on Mar 8, 2020:

As an earlier replier said, it's utter nonsense to say there's no difference between the Dems and Pubs. C'mon! Name some issues--let alone a whole page worth of them--they have positions in common. Oh sure, if you say 'balancing the budget,' they're both for it, of course, but HOW they'd do it ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@RoboGraham Thank you for summarizing how the Dem establishment and even most Dem pols in DC are at best Repub lite and at worst a fake opposition party. The amount of collusion between them, including the Wall Street bailout in 2008, voting for the Iraq War, and voting for the new NAFTA agreement as well as the old NAFTA agreement, is obscene. And guess what? Bernie voted against all of those things, the only one with integrity who couldn't be bought.

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Biden's problems in identifying who someone is or what day an event is on or which office he is running for are not related to stuttering. He is in the early stages of dementia or has mild dementia already. I know a thing or two about it as my late wife suffered and died from it. I recognize some ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@kensmile4u Get bent...Nobody died and appointed you the judge of truth and lies.

"Bernie has already won.

seattlepanda comments on Mar 9, 2020:

If the D's put up Krusty the Klown, I'll vote for him...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

That's not a fair comparison, because I used to watch The Simpsons and Krusty rocks! He's a freakin' role model.

If Bernie loses bad tonite, I won't be surprised if he concedes and drops out.

Buddha comments on Mar 10, 2020:

I think he'll go to the convention regardless as well he should.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

I hope so. If I were him, I would do it out of spite and to make Biden stay out there and campaign so the voters can see his dementia, among other problems.

Proud Granny today, my youngest is getting ready to cast her 1st vote and she called me to ask my ...

FearlessFly comments on Mar 10, 2020:

Historically, there is virtually no evidence that a VP gives significant help to get a presidential candidate elected.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@Lorajay In 8 years we'll have AOC old enough to run for prez, assuming we still have a democracy by then....Young, female and Hispanic. She would be unbeatable, because identity politics is still very important to most voters, even tho I think it's bullshit and shouldn't matter. But tribalism rules in American politics, rather than policy..AOC is the same as Bernie on policy.

Cats and wine....

Spudgun comments on Mar 10, 2020:

A number of years ago, when we had just moved to Idaho, we had a female cat named Punkin, who was feral to begin with and decided to move in with us when we were living in California. After we moved to Idaho, around Christmas time, we had made some Grasshopper cocktails. Something or other happened ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

Drunken cats must be fun to watch....

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Biden's problems in identifying who someone is or what day an event is on or which office he is running for are not related to stuttering. He is in the early stages of dementia or has mild dementia already. I know a thing or two about it as my late wife suffered and died from it. I recognize some ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@RoboGraham You said it all bro.. thank you..

What the hell is wrong with my state? [oklahoman.com]

Sticks48 comments on Mar 10, 2020:

I grew up in Lawton. The list of things wrong wit Oklahoma is very long, and Texas ain't far behind.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

Texas ain't all bad. It gave us Buddy Holly and Kinky Friedman, for starters....I'm grateful for them.

Too many people on this site are focused on Trump as the bad guy and NOT on the long game.

BitFlipper comments on Mar 10, 2020:

There's only one nonviolent way to change the Constitution, and it means using the present system cleverly and effectively. All the other options involve Bloodshed and violence.

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

I'm more pessimistic than that. I think systemic change or revolution in the US will inevitably be violent. The ruling class will not allow anything less, and I'm also afraid the good guys will lose that one.

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Biden's problems in identifying who someone is or what day an event is on or which office he is running for are not related to stuttering. He is in the early stages of dementia or has mild dementia already. I know a thing or two about it as my late wife suffered and died from it. I recognize some ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 10, 2020:

@kensmile4u Give it a rest pal. You are clearly a die hard Biden supporter, while RoboGraham and I are Bernie supporters. We got your point. You need to get a clue and drop it. Enjoy your loss, not ours, this Nov..We will say what we want and if you want to cry about it, contact the admin. Good luck with that too......

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racocn8 comments on Mar 9, 2020:

My prediction is that the downturn will be shortlived for 60% of the losses; it will make back 15% of 25% lost, and gradually add back the other 10%. Most of this depends on the inroads the pandemic makes in the US, and not much for other countries, even China. China's losses will hurt, but their ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

I agree with most of your predictions. Whether this crisis and Trump's mishandling of it is enough, along with the economic impact, to lose him the election is still very hard to say. It depends a lot on how long a memory the independent voters have.

"Bernie has already won.

RoboGraham comments on Mar 9, 2020:

It's a nice way to think about it and he certainly has done a lot of good no matter how it turns out. But if they nominate Biden, he will have lost to a corrupt system

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

I agree that a Biden nomination means the corrupt system wins and any movement in the party to the left on policy is meaningless, because Biden does not support any of those policy positions nor does he support any fundamental change.

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Athena comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Even if this video has been edited, Biden has made many other gaffes that have shown he's no match for Trump. The republicans will have these running on a loop. I'm not even close to giving up on Bernie. The tides turned for Joe after Amy and Pete dropped out, and they could turn again once he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

@Athena I hope you're right, but I am very pessimistic. The format for the next debate has been altered to protect Biden as much as possible and make it hard for Bernie to attack him.

It's now clear that the only way Bernie can get the nomination is if Warren drops out and endorses ...

Aurora62 comments on Mar 9, 2020:

Warren is a fake progressive. She went on Rachel Maddow and spent time complaining about online Bernie supporters being mean to her. They have every right to be mean to her because she is hurting the movement that is seeking real change for all people and especially the people that have been ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

I saw her interview with Maddow and I totally agree. The whole Bernie Bros. thing may even be a fake trolling thing designed to hurt Bernie, but even if isn't, online trolling is still trivial compared to all the bigger issues that this campaign is about. Bernie's record and personal life are squeaky clean, so this is all his critics have to use against him. Rather pathetic...

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Athena comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Even if this video has been edited, Biden has made many other gaffes that have shown he's no match for Trump. The republicans will have these running on a loop. I'm not even close to giving up on Bernie. The tides turned for Joe after Amy and Pete dropped out, and they could turn again once he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

@Athena, @bingst I don't want an unlected person running the country, whether they are a centrist or even a leftist. I still care about having a democracy and what you are suggesting is undemocratic.

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Athena comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Even if this video has been edited, Biden has made many other gaffes that have shown he's no match for Trump. The republicans will have these running on a loop. I'm not even close to giving up on Bernie. The tides turned for Joe after Amy and Pete dropped out, and they could turn again once he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

@Athena I think Bernie is too nice to do what both you and I would like him to do with Biden in the final two debates. We will see. He also has had a long time to call out all the conspiring against him by the establishment and hasn't done that either. He does know that unless he really goes after Biden, this race is over.

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Athena comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Even if this video has been edited, Biden has made many other gaffes that have shown he's no match for Trump. The republicans will have these running on a loop. I'm not even close to giving up on Bernie. The tides turned for Joe after Amy and Pete dropped out, and they could turn again once he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

@Athena Biden will pick Klobuchar as his VP. She already let that accidentally slip a couple days ago while campaigning for him. The host in the video's final line is the hard truth. The establishment would rather lose with a corporate centrist who will continue their corrupt gravy train than win with a leftist.

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TomMcGiverin comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Biden's problems in identifying who someone is or what day an event is on or which office he is running for are not related to stuttering. He is in the early stages of dementia or has mild dementia already. I know a thing or two about it as my late wife suffered and died from it. I recognize some ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

@RoboGraham I sympathize, but, trust me, the Dem establishment will not notice or care about Bernie supporters voting third party. The only thing that would get their attention and teach them anything would be if Bernie ran as an independent or third party this fall and took 20 or 30% of the vote. That would teach them a lesson, but Bernie will never do that. Too loyal to the party that shits on him.

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RoboGraham comments on Mar 8, 2020:

I know what a stutter sounds like. It's not a matter of stuttering. It's a matter of confusion and lapses in memory. It's not that he is struggling to get words out, the words are coming out clearly but they are incorrect. Like when he said he was running for Senate, or when he called himself an ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

Exactly. His problem is mental processing, not getting the words out of his mouth properly. He is genuinely confused about facts and his orientation to time, place, etc..

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David1955 comments on Mar 9, 2020:

I'm am truly sorry for the man if he is at an early stage of dementia or something like it. But the truth is he did well last week in most of those states because he HADN'T been in them much, or talking publicly. He is a man walking into a Trump slaughter house, a man with more baggage that Grand ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 9, 2020:

You have eloquently stated everything I've been thinking on this subject. The rigging of the Dem nomination process in favor of Biden is the full measure of how much the Dem party hates Bernie and the lengths they will go to stop him. I hope the Biden supporters and the Dem leaders behind his nomination enjoy the full suffering they deserve in watching him go down in flames this fall....

I’m just wondering, being on the outside looking in, is the American Democrat voters’ ideal to ...

skado comments on Mar 8, 2020:

My sense of it is that a majority of Democrats just want Trump out. And then there’s a sizable minority who specifically want Bernie in. I haven’t heard anybody say “If Biden (Warren, Buttigieg, etc.) isn’t the nominee, I won’t vote.” It’s mostly the “Blue-No-Matter-Who” crowd ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 8, 2020:

@Sticks48 We'll see if they get to see enough of Biden's dementia in the final two debates and if they are still comfortable with him after that sinks in, probably too late tho for Bernie to come back. I hope they see before the convention what a mistake it will be to nominate him.

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Athena comments on Mar 8, 2020:

Even if this video has been edited, Biden has made many other gaffes that have shown he's no match for Trump. The republicans will have these running on a loop. I'm not even close to giving up on Bernie. The tides turned for Joe after Amy and Pete dropped out, and they could turn again once he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 8, 2020:

The DNC just announced that the next debate will have Bernie and Biden seated, while also there will be audience ?s instead of all the ?s from moderators. Undoubtedly, it's all to protect Biden and hide his dementia. His new nickname should be Hidin' Biden....I think it may be too late and Bernie missed his last chance to go after Biden in a debate. The April debate will also undoubtedly be rigged to protect Biden. It's not just this clip. In South Carolina a week or so ago, Biden said that he was running for the Senate, not the presidency. He also referred to the upcoming primary as Super Thursday, not Super Tuesday. Small things do matter when they make you look out of it. Those of us old enough to remember Reagan and how demented he seemed in the 80s (and it turned out we were right, he had dementia even in his first term) are going to notice this and think twice about electing another demented old person.

A few of his successes..

yvilletom comments on Mar 7, 2020:

But to do what he and we want, Bernie needs social democrats in Congress. Savior presidents don’t exist_

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 7, 2020:

@RoboGraham My money is on complicity.

It is all very obvious.

IrishTxJudy comments on Mar 7, 2020:

You are very correct. While I don’t live in the UK, there are many “prosperity” churches here in Texas that make me want to throw up. Yes, if you have enough faith, god will meet your needs, and heal you. Hell, just give us all your money and trust the Lort to meet you needs? Don’t you trust...

TomMcGiverin replies on Mar 7, 2020:

@Sgt_Spanky Just like the house in Vegas, they always win either way...