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Atheism isn’t a culture as any atheist can tell you.
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
Atheism is very much a culture which a very colorful and distinguished history. Thankfully, our culture is a bit more enlightened than in Twain's time, but progress has been painfully slow; we may be very grateful for what acceleration is occuring. Please note how social evolution on specific topics can and do reach tipping points.
Most importantly, religionists often behave and make judgements based on their myths, and it's purely a matter of luck whether they get it right. Allegience to atheism is all about believing and behaving according to the best approximation of rationality (BAR). That BAR is as high as one can get, and outclasses religious 'morality' on every count. The BAR is all about skepticism, self-examination and personal integrity. There is no room for the pretense of affirming ambiguous epigrams.
Atheism is supported by science in that, by definition, nothing in reality is reasonably understood to be supernatural nor miraculous. And yet, to be clear, nothing within the understanding of science has been observed to be supernatural nor miraculous, and that comes as close to a disproof of the supernatural and miraculous as is needed (Respects are paid to Sagan's proposition that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.). Higher physics do dive deeply into intellectual paradox as they inquire into hidden dimensions and entangled non-locality. Thus, to the extent that atheism rejects the supernatural, it embraces those regions of science that are only made possible in the absence of God. The other example being evolution of life being as profound as any other known scientific formulation.
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
Atheism is very much a culture which a very colorful and distinguished history. Thankfully, our culture is a bit more enlightened than in Twain's time, but progress has been painfully slow; we may be very grateful for what acceleration is occuring. Please note how social evolution on specific topics can and do reach tipping points.
Most importantly, religionists often behave and make judgements based on their myths, and it's purely a matter of luck whether they get it right. Allegience to atheism is all about believing and behaving according to the best approximation of rationality (BAR). That BAR is as high as one can get, and outclasses religious 'morality' on every count. The BAR is all about skepticism, self-examination and personal integrity. There is no room for the pretense of affirming ambiguous epigrams.
Atheism is supported by science in that, by definition, nothing in reality is reasonably understood to be supernatural nor miraculous. And yet, to be clear, nothing within the understanding of science has been observed to be supernatural nor miraculous, and that comes as close to a disproof of the supernatural and miraculous as is needed (Respects are paid to Sagan's proposition that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.). Higher physics do dive deeply into intellectual paradox as they inquire into hidden dimensions and entangled non-locality. Thus, to the extent that atheism rejects the supernatural, it embraces those regions of science that are only made possible in the absence of God. The other example being evolution of life being as profound as any other known scientific formulation.
I was watching one of the Atheist Experience docs where they were talking about religious people ...
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
We are in a Culture War except that the secular side scarcely understands it. The 'moral' codes of religionists are nothing of the sort. Religious morality is nothing more than the excuse for xenophobic hatred, said xenophobia including Others whether by gender, race, ethniciy, sexual custom, or even other churches. Hating other people, for whatever reason, is now the major part of most Evangelical practice, and a big part of other religions. Exposing and neutralizing this hatred is the duty of all thinking citizens. Exposing the hate underlying religious values is a major focus for the freedom of speech.
Just remember how much hard work has been done to (be able to) teach evolution, to end slavery, to gain Women's Suffrage, to have Civil Rights, and to gain fair treatment of LBGT. We are now far, far above the morality of the Bible and the Judeo-Christian God. But, we have a lot more work to do. These truths cannot be repeated too often.
Exposing and denouncing religious bigotry must be a primary goal to undermine religious allegience. Publicizing the hypocrasy of politicians voted in by the Evangelists (Like Trump and Moore) is true Patriotism.
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
We are in a Culture War except that the secular side scarcely understands it. The 'moral' codes of religionists are nothing of the sort. Religious morality is nothing more than the excuse for xenophobic hatred, said xenophobia including Others whether by gender, race, ethniciy, sexual custom, or even other churches. Hating other people, for whatever reason, is now the major part of most Evangelical practice, and a big part of other religions. Exposing and neutralizing this hatred is the duty of all thinking citizens. Exposing the hate underlying religious values is a major focus for the freedom of speech.
Just remember how much hard work has been done to (be able to) teach evolution, to end slavery, to gain Women's Suffrage, to have Civil Rights, and to gain fair treatment of LBGT. We are now far, far above the morality of the Bible and the Judeo-Christian God. But, we have a lot more work to do. These truths cannot be repeated too often.
Exposing and denouncing religious bigotry must be a primary goal to undermine religious allegience. Publicizing the hypocrasy of politicians voted in by the Evangelists (Like Trump and Moore) is true Patriotism.
Is it hypocritical for me, as an atheist, to celebrate religious holidays?
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
I look upon agnosticism as searching for Truth and wisdom. Recruiting people to understand science and how religion is morally degenerate should always be considered. Agnosticism is not declasse, but religion should be. Look on these get togethers as an opportunity to enlighten or inhibit the willfully ignorant. Know and be able to deliver the best arguments and counter-arguments against Christianity/Judaism (or whatever). Know your audience and gauge whether it is appropriate to discuss the perversity of individual holidays. If people are unreachable and you want to remain 'close', then hold your fire. Otherwise, planting seeds of doubt is Holy/Wholly laudible!
racocn8 comments on Apr 16, 2018:
I look upon agnosticism as searching for Truth and wisdom. Recruiting people to understand science and how religion is morally degenerate should always be considered. Agnosticism is not declasse, but religion should be. Look on these get togethers as an opportunity to enlighten or inhibit the willfully ignorant. Know and be able to deliver the best arguments and counter-arguments against Christianity/Judaism (or whatever). Know your audience and gauge whether it is appropriate to discuss the perversity of individual holidays. If people are unreachable and you want to remain 'close', then hold your fire. Otherwise, planting seeds of doubt is Holy/Wholly laudible!
It Really Doesn't Matter
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
Praying = Wishing. EOL
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
Praying = Wishing. EOL
Suicide- thoughts?
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I've only had thoughts of suicide once. I had gone on vacation and, in my sense of leisure, stopped taking my Prozac prescription. Also, I got a bit of intestinal flu. Thus, the 3rd day I was knocked out with fatigue and while in bed, began to feel suicidal in the most discrete way. It was so unusual and out of character. While I assigned the cause to the intestinal flu, I suddenly realized it was the withdrawal from the Prozac. I immediated took the capsule and very quickly recovered. Ten months later, I very gradually got myself off that shit. Bottom line: the thoughts of suicide represent a neurochemical imbalance. Having done some informal testing, I recommend CBD extract, preferably from a CBD dominant cannabis strain (not Hemp) in order to contain some small percent of THC (caution, the THC is the psychoactive part). If that doesn't help, consider trying THCA extract if you can find it. THCA & CBD are not psychoactive, but the cannabinoids may constructively interact (probably mis-identified as the Entourage Effect). Good luck.
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I've only had thoughts of suicide once. I had gone on vacation and, in my sense of leisure, stopped taking my Prozac prescription. Also, I got a bit of intestinal flu. Thus, the 3rd day I was knocked out with fatigue and while in bed, began to feel suicidal in the most discrete way. It was so unusual and out of character. While I assigned the cause to the intestinal flu, I suddenly realized it was the withdrawal from the Prozac. I immediated took the capsule and very quickly recovered. Ten months later, I very gradually got myself off that shit. Bottom line: the thoughts of suicide represent a neurochemical imbalance. Having done some informal testing, I recommend CBD extract, preferably from a CBD dominant cannabis strain (not Hemp) in order to contain some small percent of THC (caution, the THC is the psychoactive part). If that doesn't help, consider trying THCA extract if you can find it. THCA & CBD are not psychoactive, but the cannabinoids may constructively interact (probably mis-identified as the Entourage Effect). Good luck.
Tract on Agnosticism
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I could only skim given my attention span. (lost me on #2) Even so...
1. These are arguments, not proofs, and some arguments are much better than others.
2. #4 is just wrong. Science takes no position on God except that unmistakable evidence doesn't exist, and other evidence requires supposition and handwaving. Relying on science is an argument by authority.
3. Other items are unclear, even with elaboration (universe is not perfect...)
4. #6 is silly; #7 OK
5. It might be best to have a concise summary up front, with the best arguments first, estimated validity and percent contribution to the whole.
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I could only skim given my attention span. (lost me on #2) Even so...
1. These are arguments, not proofs, and some arguments are much better than others.
2. #4 is just wrong. Science takes no position on God except that unmistakable evidence doesn't exist, and other evidence requires supposition and handwaving. Relying on science is an argument by authority.
3. Other items are unclear, even with elaboration (universe is not perfect...)
4. #6 is silly; #7 OK
5. It might be best to have a concise summary up front, with the best arguments first, estimated validity and percent contribution to the whole.
How many others reached a point like myself, where they cannot or will not date a god believer?
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I'd love to be charitable about it. I had a lady friend for some years who said she was Christian, but never said a word about it. I'll say I am somewhat open to it, but probably only if the lady was similarly never proselytizing. I had to give up my last lady friend who was devoutly Buddhist, but she had a lot of other problems too (boozy, inconsiderate, dramatic). It's really awful how religionist memorize and repeat trite epigrams, but have no idea what they mean; usually they don't have any real meaning... Being a scientist, I am particularly offended by Christianity because a big part of Creationist culture is to denounce science, evolutionists and athiests in particular as Satanic. You'll never hear Christians denounce their brethren on account of their bigotry... Being Christian is good for one solid strike. Each mention of God in their profile gets another. Do the math.
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I'd love to be charitable about it. I had a lady friend for some years who said she was Christian, but never said a word about it. I'll say I am somewhat open to it, but probably only if the lady was similarly never proselytizing. I had to give up my last lady friend who was devoutly Buddhist, but she had a lot of other problems too (boozy, inconsiderate, dramatic). It's really awful how religionist memorize and repeat trite epigrams, but have no idea what they mean; usually they don't have any real meaning... Being a scientist, I am particularly offended by Christianity because a big part of Creationist culture is to denounce science, evolutionists and athiests in particular as Satanic. You'll never hear Christians denounce their brethren on account of their bigotry... Being Christian is good for one solid strike. Each mention of God in their profile gets another. Do the math.
Proof of no god?
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
First, the proofs of God:
1. The intricate colored mandala I see that develops when I take psilocin.
2. How the rows of the Periodic Table increase in number of members as 2N^2. Okay, maybe that one is just evidence.
The disproofs:
1. The depth of hatred within people disproves God generally, and the facile hatred of believers disproves their individual Gods specifically (Jesus, Allah, etc.). The rationalizations for hatred are simply not believable.
2. The utter lack of any kind or sort of evidence for God implies that God is a sneaky trickster. This notion, AKA the Loki Hypothesis, can never rise above being a laughable rationalization.
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
First, the proofs of God:
1. The intricate colored mandala I see that develops when I take psilocin.
2. How the rows of the Periodic Table increase in number of members as 2N^2. Okay, maybe that one is just evidence.
The disproofs:
1. The depth of hatred within people disproves God generally, and the facile hatred of believers disproves their individual Gods specifically (Jesus, Allah, etc.). The rationalizations for hatred are simply not believable.
2. The utter lack of any kind or sort of evidence for God implies that God is a sneaky trickster. This notion, AKA the Loki Hypothesis, can never rise above being a laughable rationalization.
Should religion be taught in schools?
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
I believe science or history classes should include specific elements that briefly describe the tenets of 'Scientific Creationism' and demonstrate the forms of dishonesty and disinformation. Sadly, I doubt science teachers are capable of doing this. Indeed, quite a few are Creationists themselves. I believe it is important that students understand that religionists in our culture have sough to sabotage the search for truth and knowledge.
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
I believe science or history classes should include specific elements that briefly describe the tenets of 'Scientific Creationism' and demonstrate the forms of dishonesty and disinformation. Sadly, I doubt science teachers are capable of doing this. Indeed, quite a few are Creationists themselves. I believe it is important that students understand that religionists in our culture have sough to sabotage the search for truth and knowledge.
How do you deal with Door-knockers?
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
I can't believe that talking through a doorway has more than a non-zero chance of changing their mind. I am convinced that to be going door-to-door means that these people are beyond the pale or reason. A) Say the equivalent of "Not interested" and close the door. I posted a sign that says "No Soliciting".
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
I can't believe that talking through a doorway has more than a non-zero chance of changing their mind. I am convinced that to be going door-to-door means that these people are beyond the pale or reason. A) Say the equivalent of "Not interested" and close the door. I posted a sign that says "No Soliciting".
How do Believers become Non-Believers
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
While I was in college, I read the New Testament twice and fraternized with Christians in the hope that I might receive the Born Again experience. I could not get past the hatred directed toward scientists in general and evolutionists (like myself) in particular. As much as I wanted to have a divine experience, nothing happened.
I believe that both Christianity and Islam are intrinsically prone to radicalizing their believers, and that this tendency makes these systems an immediate danger to everyone.
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2018:
While I was in college, I read the New Testament twice and fraternized with Christians in the hope that I might receive the Born Again experience. I could not get past the hatred directed toward scientists in general and evolutionists (like myself) in particular. As much as I wanted to have a divine experience, nothing happened.
I believe that both Christianity and Islam are intrinsically prone to radicalizing their believers, and that this tendency makes these systems an immediate danger to everyone.
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