Another post made me think of this. Imagine a world where the only people allowed firearms were women. It felt a bit mind-blowing, trying to think how different society would have to be for that to happen, and what it might be like as a result.
NB any future male commenters - this is a fantasmagorical idea, an exercise in imagination, not a serious suggestion or desire. Please don't get all mens' rights over it.
Maybe it is good that I don't own a firearm. I would carry it, use it and end up in the big house. The creep who sneaked up behind me, yanked up my knee length coat to grab me by the crotch - I would have put a dozen bullets into him. The scumbag who ran up to me, grabbed me by the breast - I would have done the same thing - multiple bullets - and might have accidentally shot bystanders. The horrible boss who kept staring me down and making comments about my body - I might have gone to his house, waited for him to exit and sent him to the Great Beyond. After the abuse I have taken, I am so angry I would love to be jury, judge and executioner. But would it do any good to kill these bullies? You kill a bully, two others take his place. Maybe people should raise both sons and daughters to learn courtesy and respect for others. Maybe people will start raising their children differently. But I am not holding my breath.
I am glad l don't live anywhere near you. You have some real anger issues. Please stay the fuck in Minnesota!
I don't think it would be much different. Anyone with all the power tends to abuse it. The saying power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I know it is not all the time but often enough to make it mostly true.
True Feminist men welcome this mind experiment in the tradition of Einstein and Mead. Feminism is the true nature of humanity. Patriarchy is a anti-evolutionary violent rapacious irrational sub-cult of societies. Dis-arming violent boys and trusting women with tools of enforcement indeed would reduce rape globally perhaps quicker than cannibalism and polio were wiped out in the last 2 centuries. ...yet I think religiosity would need to be abated inside the minds of women at the earliest ages.....power corrupts and faith is all about threatening others with death. I forgot the name of the novel where males were slaves and women were all powerful. ...I am glad there are Atheists & Feminists here to contemplate repairing the damage of shamans & cults have perpetrated upon humanity
It has generally been men’s role to perform the most dangerous jobs: to hunt, fight wars, erect buildings, etc. The reason is that women are biologically more valuable and can not be risked.
The playing field has already been leveled by nature, and in fact has been tilted in favor of women IMO. That is good and well, and I would not venture to complain about nature. But be careful about aspiring to the male experience—it might be a step backwards.
Women MUST take more power in this world...males have been/are now.. the primary cause of warmongering, raping of women and children, molesters, murderers, pillaging, genocide, abuse of power...you have done and are NOW doing a most horrible job running things...time to step down boys...you failed...testosterone kills...we need ESTROGEN now..to repair the damage you have done
@Xena Go ahead and take as much power as you like. Just do it in the democratic way. Our Governor, Kay Ivy was just re-elected. She is a great leader and an asset to Alabama. She was re-elected because she appeals to both men and women of all races. I doubt if a strident, power-hungry egotistic feminist will ever get elected however.
In addition to all those negative things about men, please consider all the great advances in human society that were brought about through male energy, ingenuity, and sacrifice. I realize that women have been instrumental also in those advances, but IMO the greatest good comes when men and women work together as teams. If the two sides hate each other, think what that means: depression, unhappiness, loneliness, ill health, early death, no babies, etc.,etc.
I vote for mutual respect and love.
I've concealed carried for more than 20 years....I've done my best to teach, educate, and encourage other women to do so also.
You will find that women are far less likely to do anything out of anger and actually tend to wait too long to do something when they are scared and in danger....unless it's super obvious like someone is kicking in their door to get to them.
Glenn Close is my hero in Jagged Edge. Blind Side movie also portrays a woman "packing" her pistol....accused it was a "sat nite special" in her purse, she said "it works real special 7 days a week too " to a disgusting Memphis pimp
The fastest growing demographic of new gun owners is female.
@Faithless1 - my guess is because the gun is the great equalizer, and women are getting tired of waiting for the police to show up after the attack.
@Keith_J self defense classes. Size is not that big of a factor when they are hit in certain spots they fold and drop like a wet rag. What I have against carrying guns is if in the open that is the first thing an attacker goes for. If they have a gun or knife they shoot or stab you right away to take that gun now they have yours. If conceled how fast can you get it out and aim and shoot? Just start shooting you can hit someone just near buy not the attacker.
Women have used firearms throughout history in various wars, just like men. A famous sniper, known for their body count during WW2 was a woman.
But the patriarchy would never allow such a thing, as is hypothesised in your post.
I can't recall her name but she was a Russian sniper , right?
Yes. That rings a bell. She became famous, so much so, that the Nazis wanted to use her abilities.
Just as with men, the only women who would want to have the guns would be the worst sort.
Ouch! I've guns.
I never considered myself to be "the worst sort"!
@bigpawbullets Sorry to break the news! But seriously, when guns become a pastime and not a necessary tool of a trade - that's a dark path.
@Gareth
Well, I'd never attempt to argue this as I'm a practicing sociopath.
My lovely wife and I both carry sidearms. Both shoot in rifle matches and shoot sporting clays.
I'm pretty sure Zorak the wonder dog thinks we're both OK people, based on who feeds him.
But you think we're "people of the worst kind" because of guns. Seems like a very limited data set to base your analysis on.
@bigpawbullets I'm not sure that picking a fight is the best advert for you.
@Gareth
I'm not sure what your response means. "Advert" is British for Advertisement. But, picking a fight was not my intention at all.
I must be one of the 'worst sort' then. I am a state certified hunter safety instructor and have taught courses to women on handling handguns. I had a concealed carry permit for while but have let it lapse. My experience with the women who are interested in handguns is that they're no different than most women. I would also mention that to acquire a firearm legally one must undergo a background check. So on paper at least, the 'worst sort' cannot acquire them.
What is it with women that makes them think about owning everything? Do you realize that the high heeled shoe, perfume, and wigs were exclusive to males at one time? Women began taking them over and making them feminine adornments. They are doing that now with suits. When Wonder Woman came out women wanted female only viewings and, now, you imagine a world in which only women have guns.
I’m unsure whether it’s a playful attempt to demand inclusion, which then becomes a trait, or if it’s a conscious manipulation which strips men of status. Either way I think it’s annoying and might be one source of male anger.
It’s quickly becoming your world, girls, and you’re entering it by shutting men up and down. We can’t look at you, speak to you, or be alone with you for fear of how you will take it. Men are told that 100% of women have a #metoo story and if that isn’t shutting us down I don’t know what is. Good men feel bad and want to help but the only way we’re told we can do that is to get out of your way and shut up. That’s not a good beginning.
You're free to reclaim your wigs, make-up and high heels. Don't forget to post photos.
Don't worry women - you've got a hell of a way to go before you make us men shut up. Full steam ahead!
@Ellatynemouth Some men do but I prefer being barefoot and stinky.
What a insane idea. Why would you do that?
The result would be... Only women murdering with guns?? They would gain a false sense of security???
Or do you somehow fall into that strange camp of delusional people that think women are somehow more peaceful than men?
@Faithless1 pretty sexist
For the most part they are .when females are changing to the male sex huge quantities of testosterone injected cause them to be aggressive, violent, angry andd insatiably horny sound familiar?
@pepperjones rather than just spewing out statistics, perhaps you could source that?
I would be extremely dubious of any source that made such a ridiculous statement it's not true. I suggest you do a google search for actual statistics.
@pepperjones, @Kojaksmom no does not sound the least bit familiar. That sounds like human behavior to me, not one sex or the other.
Are you making the claim men and women have different emotions available to them?
Are you making the claim that men have a more sexual nature when going through puberty? Then girls?
Have you taken into consideration cultural norms that suppress natural human behavior??
Such as slut shaming?
It's people that seem to have a misunderstanding of biology that come up with the sort of things you just said.
There was one little bozo college girl at a town hall meeting with Justin Trudeau in Canada.
You might have heard it was in the news. Justin got called out for correcting her when she used the term mankind
He jokingly said he preferred the term people kind
And he was roasted in the press for having the nerve to gainsay this poor girl
Not one person took note of the complete malarkey she was spewing such as what you just said.
She was under the impression that oxytocin was strictly a female hormone that made them nurturing, and therefore they were more peaceful than men.
Not one person called her out on it, either before or after? She went on at length with this ridiculous idea
You see that particular hormone is produced in every single mammal, your dog, your cat and, yes, indeed even males of the human species.
Any real differences? In human behavior is culturally based. And things such as media. Mating rituals, societal position, education...
For the most part proclivity for violence or sexual deviance is equally distributed among the sexes.
To claim otherwise is something I suspect many people do because of their inherent bias, both cultural and cognitive
@pepperjones well, that's to be expected from the type of people with views like you.
If someone makes a point of logic, you can't reply to you, set up a strawman. Dismissed their argument. Resort to labeling and name calling.
It wasn't a rant. It was a statement of fact. Perhaps you should grow up and learn how to deal with them and try to be a fully fledged human being
People like you truly sicken me. Youre everything wrong with the world
@pepperjones well, a well reasoned response is, unsurprisingly something you're not capable of.
But roughly what I would expect from someone who so obviously lacks even the tiniest bit of insight into the real world.
Enjoy your delusions and try not to sicken to many people with your presence and the smell of your putrid ideals.
And really, don't have a good day. I would much rather, there were fewer people with your type of diseased mind in the world.
@pepperjones you are truly clueless. I've said nothing about the plight of white men.
I've merely pointed at your own sexism to you, you just happened to be sexist against men.
I despair the amount of women who are clueless as you about matters
It's no wonder there is a proliferation of Men's rights idiots. They're pretty much as great a number as bozos like you
Yet again, you ignore what's actually being said just to be a stupid, abusive bitch.
Point out one time I've been misogynistic.
And being personally insulting to a bozo like you who happens to be a woman is not a good example. Something I've actually said that detrimental about women?
Thought so. Go lick a window moron
There would be a lot of murders, probably of husbands!
There already are...
Men are essentially disposable in this society
@Faithless1 it's not a feeling. It's an observable fact.
I really shouldn't have to explain it. It's fairly obvious one
@Faithless1 simply look at the number of occupations occupied by men that result in death compared to those with women
Look at the focus on breast cancer are compared to prostate
The statistics of homeless men compared to homeless women
The number of social services compared to women that are available for men
The list is endless
@Faithless1 You only need one man to get 50 or so women pregnaunt so the other men are disposable.
@QuintKnickers breast and ovarian cancer are death sentences. Most men die with prostate cancer, because something else killed them. childbirth and illegal abortion has a death rate. Homeless women are beaten, raped and murdered at a High rate too.
@Kojaksmom you'll notice at the end of your statement you use word "too".
Men seem to be only an after thought with you, not very egalitarian.
Indeed, men do die younger than women.
( As you only allude to with your mention of prostate cancer and the fact men tend to die from other things than natural causes)
There is reason for that. Their lives are much harder. There demands of physical labor made on them are much greater than women. ( I am of course referring to western culture in this situation where I assume you live?)
I'm not quite sure as you made allusions to things that are extreme problems in parts of the world and issues that should definitely be taken care of.
It actually appalled me that international woman's date 2 years ago chose to highlight the problem of not enough plus, size women and clothing available rather than say....
I don't know the insanity in Guatemala that allows Girls as young as 13 and 14 to be in prison for life because of miscarriages on the grounds of suspected abortion.
Maybe.
Why is it so many people seem to think that by pointing out, there are inequities in human culture against both men and women.(based mostly on money and some kind if sky daddy)
One somehow diminishes the issues that the other has.
I've been involved in the women's movement since the 70s.
It changed from a discussion about inequity between the sexes.
Into an issue that creates a toxic environment for any sort of rational discourse where people like you feel
While somehow Homeless women being raped? While tragic, in any way compares to.
The amount of homeless men to homeless women ratio and the insane amount of services given to women to keep them from becoming almost compared to men.
And some sort of weird notion that if only women had guns, somehow violence would disappear when the contrary is so easy to prove.
The ideas behind much of the current feminist culture in the west is poisoned by a sense of entitlement.
That seems readily on display here
@QuintKnickers Poison by a sense of entitlement that's b***. I'm a little bit older, but the feminists of my time believed in taking pressure off of men in the way of work and money. splitting house chores to take the pressure off of women apparently humans can f** a wet dream . women's rights and men's rights are always going to come down to a common denominator of one person gaining superiority over the other. Often times it's women that gets stuck raising these f** snotty-nosed brats. we get stuck with pregnancy that requires a huge quantity of Medical Care. And for your information these dangerous jobs that you talked about for males are physically challenging for females and oftentimes ridiculously - paying jobs.
@Kojaksmom as someone who's has been a stay at home parent.
I can only say if you have snotty brats it's because you as their parents are probably a dumb for asshole
You know people dumb enough to think that paying someone well for risking their life is ridiculous...
Or someone that equally thinks women are incapable of doing such jobs because of their physicality, which is complete bullshit
I've seen many men with feminine physiques, my grandfather was 5'2", probably weighed about 95 pounds. He was a crane operator and work construction. His entire life
As a matter of fact, he was on one of the first tower cranes ever in Canada. A very dangerous profession.
As to your medical expenses, they are what they are. Shall we start comparing illnesses? You truly are ridiculous person, you should be ashamed of yourself for your point of views
@Kojaksmom out of curiosity. Have you ever actually been inside of a mall??
90 percent of the products in them that are not used by both sexes.
Are exclusively for women.
Western women sense of entitlement is so bad they are literally destroying the environment with their vanity.
The truly ironic thing that none of them seemed to notice
Much of the exploitation of women in nonwestern parts of the world is a result of the demand from women in western parts of the world. The fashion industry is huge.
Just look at the amount of garbage made exclusively for women compared to exclusively for men.
And then you have things such as this blaming men for violence. When what? Do women not have the vote in your country?
Is there some genetic difference that keeps them from organizing?
Give your head a good shake, will you?
@QuintKnickers for your information I'm a female that hates kids I despise them and don't have any for myself. and ask for dangerous jobs, OSHA often times has their say. even bomb detonators mention it's pretty safe job. your average 5 foot tall 95 lb man is going to be able to lift a lot more weight than your average 5 foot tall 95 lb female. Estrogen breaks down muscle tissue females lack upper body strength.
@Kojaksmom and sorry? "Get stuck with snotty nosed brats"
You live in a country where women are being bred against their will?
Maybe that's just some of that gentle kind loving behavior that you seem to think only women are capable of?
Tell me, are you that one that put her kids in the car and throw them in the lake?
Or did you just have a dumpster baby you didn't feel like taking care of?
Im all for birth control and abortion, even abstinence
Educate yourself. Maybe you won't feel so stuck
Do the world a favor and don't breed at all
@Kojaksmom I'm sorry all I hear is...
The reason women don't take (in general as a gender) jobs that pay more is because you physically don't have the strength.
And what on earth does your personal preference for kids have to do with you decrying women's fate at being the bearer of children?
You have no point and you're all over the place you just seem to be a sexist
Try to put together one point to refute what I've said. You can't pick even one.
So like most people that only listen to their own little echo chamber you resort to slogans and name calling.
Thankfully you have at least enough brain cells to not reproduce.
@Kojaksmom, @Faithless1 and you are so entrenched in feminist propaganda.
To realize you're not part of a patriarchy
The word you're looking for is Oligarchy
I've given actual facts. you unable to refute it. Pull a word out of your ass so you obviously have no understanding of.
Try pulling your head out of your ass or where you've got it stuck.
@QuintKnickers you're just a miserable fuck ain't ya?
@Kojaksmom not in the least. I'm actually quite happy and content.
But I do tend to make a moron like you miserable.
It's funny how showing someone how full of shit they are tends to do that
Tell you what if you can learn not to be an abusive bozo.
And can put together an actual rebuttal to anything I've said
I'll be here waiting. Till then, you're not worth the time. You just too stupid to talk to
@Kojaksmom, @Faithless1 LMAO!!!
Childish insults. The last result of the feeble minded when they can't put together anything to actually refute whats being said
Truly pathetic????
@QuintKnickers you're the one that's just a big is woman-hater you said nothing of substance you're just a whiny bitch.
@Faithless1 no, it's an accurate assessment of where you must be keeping your ideas.
Is it not? I assume, from the obvious smell of shit. That would be where it was
Shame you're so dense you're oblivious to the fact I'm merely responding in the manner in which you have been addressing .
As people of your ilk always do rather
Oh let's say
Actually addressing any of the things I've brought up
I truly despair for the world with people like you as an example of what's in it
@Faithless1, @Kojaksmom LMAO!!!
??????
You really think that's the way world works, isn't it just because you say something is true?
Please feel free to illuminate me. Where have I been whiny about one thing?
?????
Do you have handlers? or are you left on your own for long periods of time?
@Faithless1 lol, you argue with your diarrhea? And "mate"? not in this life.
I might wasted my time with morons like you on the internet.
But there's no the scenario in existence where I would ever be a " mate" of someone with such sexist viewpoints
But I do find it amusing to see what sort of stupid thing you'll say next. So please keep responding