Lol...never thought that, until you brought it up! Agreed.

@Beach_slim if you are calling @Livia a psychopath, please remember that rules are based on morals.

As a New Zealander, I can't believe Americans voted Trump in, which has caused a loss of respect for America in countries around the world. Considering the racism that Trump inspires, I wouldn't be surprised if some Americans think that lynching is OK again.

@Kohelath You are very misinformed about Islam. Most Muslims live day to day doing stuff like we do. Watch TV, chat and argue with family, are glued to smartphones and like going to the mall. Not all Arabs are Muslim - you can find Arab Jews and Arab Christians. Not all majority Islamic countries chop off women’s heads - that is Saudi Arabia and does not represent Muslim views in general. Many white Muslims live in Europe, like in Serbia or Kosovo. They aren’t wondering around with ISIS flags - they are doing degrees, washing cars and going to nightclubs. Morocco has great nightlife. In fact most of the most liberal Islamic majority countries have been bombed to shit by America. Libya- women wore what they wanted and had top jobs in industry and government. Syria has a tyrant, but most people spent their time in bikinis on the beach, flicking through fashion magazines and drinking coffee. Iraq was SECULAR. Look it up! America has allowed Saudi fundamentalists to control their foreign policy and even define what Islam is. Why do I know this? I have been to these countries before they were bombed by the UK and USA!

@Kohelath, @Beach_slim New Zealanders are the least racist nation I know. They treat Māori with far more respect than America treats its FIRST peoples. Go and travel. Pick up a book. I live in America and see racism daily, it’s everywhere from whites calling up the police because blacks are enjoying a BBQ to police brutality. Where I live redlining in cities ensured backs lived in different neighborhoods to whites. America was built by whites using slaves, so please stop defending what’s real with BS!

@Beach_slim wow that was impressive defense of that moron Trump with a lot of stupid crap.

America is shown to be mostly racist and misogynistic. By virtue of having not Lynched that moron Trump yet.

Amercan HAS become a total joke to the world with that clown as your leader.

@Beach_slim I didn't see anyone comparing people who behead women to Trump. But I'd have to agree that the kind of uninformed and uneducated, blindly-following factionist voters who I think of when I see the word "Trumpism" is a more dangerous person to the peace and order of the world than are 99.9 percent of the world's Muslim population.

Really? So if someone is a good person but believes the Holocaust never happened, that's cool with you?

Not that he is anti-Semitic. Just that's what he believes.

Strange... people's beliefs are the most important thing to me.

That's pretty much how I determine if someone is good.

How do you do it???

@QuintKnickers
Where did the holocaust come into the discussion?

You have advanced passed the point of taking people apart...when they make a bicycle tire, their god! Lol

@QuintKnickers To be fair, I think he was referring to religious beliefs, as in worshiping deities. I don’t think he was saying he would have no issue with far right revisionist ideologies. I think most of us would have an issue with a member of our family donning the swastiker and being a sexist, racist, anti-Semitic, islamaphobic, transphobic misogynistic fuck wit. That’s being a shitty human being. They are instantly kicked out of the family- with their bicycle tire!

@Livia stupid is stupid, religion is an abdication of your personal responsibility to think for yourself.

It a response to fear of mortality.

It's always a strike against someone in my estimation.

@Livia, @Holysocks it didn't it was merely a point of comparison believing in the Bible is as ridiculous as believing the Holocaust never occurred

@QuintKnickers without judging you at all, just discussing the commment that you made about fear of mortality - I think it’s pretty normal to be scared of mortality. My mother is dying and is a staunch atheist, and I can see her fear, and it’s an intense fear. I don’t think religion is an abdication to think for oneself- C.S. Lewis was deeply religious but definitely had free thought, that wasn’t limited by his belief in god. There is a world of difference between nutters and idiots who take the Bible as the actual word of god, and those who analyze, question, and think about it, but they have a faith. I don’t think religious people are necessarily stupid, but they are rationalizing something irrational and holding on to a delusion. If it helps them get through their day, I have no problem with that. Everyone has their crutches- they have Jesus, I have prescription drugs!

@Livia how do you not see the contradiction in you statements?

You're basically being an apologist for stupidity and fear. I don't excuse that.

Fear of death might be normal but our acceptance of this stupidity has to stop.
The damage religion does is an abomination.

Please note I say religion NOT a belief in an afterllife or a "god" I have no problem with existential thought or beliefs.

So long as they're based in some sound reasoning. I've heard a few of those that make sense. I've yet to find a religion that does.

" those who analyze, question, and think about it"

if you do that and STILL believe it? you have to be an idiot.

"C.S. Lewis was deeply religious but definitely had free thought, that wasn’t limited by his belief in god"

Being clear headed about some things doesn't excuse stupidity in others... What a strange idea....

I'm sure people believing some people should be slaves didn't limit their thinking in other areas as well.
What's you point?

"If it helps them get through their day, I have no problem with that"

And intolerance, stupidity and bigotry is silently validate.

Sigh..... We need more anti-theists

@QuintKnickers My atheists beliefs don’t make me hate religious people. That would be bigoted. I just am tolerant to an extent to people’s faiths. I certainly want secularism, and dislike religion in public spaces. I don’t want to bulldoze churches etc. atheists are capable of dogma intolerance and bigotry too.

@Livia indeed atheists can be human but at least it's not institutionalized and they have to come up with such idiotic ideas on their own.

Tolerance of these ridiculous ideas has wrecked the world long enough I think it's time to stop being tolerant of them

I truly do find a baffling that we allow and are tolerant of this particular Insanity

I hate religion and the damage it's done. I dislike people that are stupid enough to believe in it.

I feel much the same way about any institution that preach hatred.

So I guess you find it bigoted to vehemently disagree with white nationalists agendas?

I feel the same way about them as I do religion for the exact same reasons.

And by your same logic you would have no problems disregarding that sort of thinking within an individual if they were otherwise a good person?

@Livia
This guy is bonkers.

@QuintKnickers
Misanthropy appears to play a large role in your discussion as do numerous false equivalencies.

@Holysocks He is also Now blocked from my view. Huzzah! He was carrying on during another thread being awful the other day too. Completely oblivious that his intolerance to tolerance makes him a bigot.
As for telling me I love white supremacy because I tolerate Christian individuals...that just went too far!

Isn’t it crazy? I have been all over the world and have never been harassed by any other religious group.

So true!