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Hello fellow Agnostics, Seeking your experience and ideas as tonight I am pondering the impact of our intention on our experience. If intention impacts what we pay attention to, this should in turn impact upon our perceptions and choices. What's your experience of this?

SueZ 5 June 14
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I figure the rational cultists, to what ever extent they have taken on that belif system will just crap out on the terminology.

So lets try translating to them, seems to be a lot of them round here.

(in an Australian mode)
Gidday Mate!, Wadyarecon bout this? I recon if you have some sort of plan, Just thinking about it gets your mind going and yer just notice more stuff? yeah?

(in my best Faux psychologist)
By directing your mind towards a goal, you become more aware of the choices you can make that could lead towards it, and more prepared to chose in a way that is likely to lead to that goal.

(the full monty)
The dance of intention and perception?
Some of the more self delusional rationalists, speak as if they are not aware of their basic biological functions, or proud that they have learned to limit many of them.

It has been rationaly demonstrated that my brain is simply too small and not elegant enough to accurately model both itself, and the universe around me. After that awareness, all there is is huristics and patterns.

If I throw a ball off a balcony, it will accelerate towards the ground at 9.8m/s/s
It's not an opinion, an intention, some people have claimed that their belief will substantially change that, but I am yet to see any compelling evidence, and well, I can not prove it, but I recon if someone could make bricks fall slower, we could make that pay on a roulette wheel, if we lacked ambition.

It's not real. The shape of the ball, the density of the air, many other factors, the ball is unlikely to fall at exactly 9.8m/s/s but it's likely to be somewehere round there.

Similarly, if some hippy smokes too many sticks and daydreams. It doesen't make those dreams come true. If the hippy gets off it's ass and goes and does the things that need to be done, while dreaming? Well I hope I am not the only one who dreams about world peace, maybe my intention there is not producing measurable results.

The effects of daydreaming, or thinking in a more formal manner, are difficult to measure. I have seen studies that indicated that elite athletes benefit from imagining almost as much as from training. Goal setting seems very trendy, I'd love to see some more studies. Last one I saw was a commentary on the fact that the problem with focus was the lack of accounting for things that were not being focused on.

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What do you mean by intention? Be more specific or give examples.

@SueZ I believe that if we are to have any control over our own destiny, we must act with intent or purpose. That, of course presumes that we know our purpose. A problem occurs w, however, when we have multiple, conflicting purposes or intents.

An example: Sometimes my first wife would get angry with me over something. At the same time she wanted me to change my behavior, she also often wanted to punish or unload on me for having offended her. If I thought that she was correct over the issue, I would tell her, "Make up your mind what you want to accomplish. If you want to unload on me for an honest mistake, all you are going to accomplish is tearing into me. If you really want me to change my behavior, don't tear into me just because you feel like it."

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You have a visible point. I have been more susceptible to this kind of externalized, wild thinking when I was not feeling well, otherwise I am just generally very focused, conscientious and principled about my decisions.

@SueZ

No, it does not indicate that, beyond a heuristic, and I think that more than a heuristic is available for learning about this topic.

I do keep a high level of privacy, and don't tell anyone what I do, know, etc. It's because it can invite unwarranted interaction with myself, works against attention and the attainment of a sufficiently livable life.

People have a normative assumption that other people's existence intersects with their rights, or they may think that they have a right to such things, but it's not correct to assume this, nor is it respectful to the rights of others.

I also don't think that human rights are left to contention, not only because of the meaning of the word "right" but because in the normative sphere in my life, things are badly messed up to begin with.

A person can defend his own interest with many justifications (for me, it's the inherent advantage of attaining life purpose through the self. The best means of doing anything is through the self because more gets done towards the value of one's own life purpose), but in the end, even if the descriptive aspect is justified, if someone is too stupid to grasp on that descriptive element, they will contend against an argument because they have no capacity to pay mind to think in derived conclusions, out of having none.

@SueZ

I don't think I will be able to elaborate without missing details, I am sorry but you'll just have to read through it more carefully.

@SueZ

"Intention" should imply that there is a mental idea of what should be done. So in this word we have some undone state of things, and one wishes to interact with it, but there's not much else.

I acknowledged the rest.

@SueZ

Yeah sorry that is beyond my scope, I am not able to figure out how billions of neurons come to work together. I just have a rough explanation, but that's it.

@SueZ No problem.

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