Is it OK to lie on your profile in order to get a date? Some people claim they lie because they don't want to be judged for their circumstances. Personally I think its disgusting to lie and manipulate people when you know sooner or later the truth will come out. How do you feel about lying for romance?
I recently got a message from a woman saying she wanted to meet me. after a couple text's I asked to meet for coffee and she answered not now. She texted me next day and said she didn't live near me , she lived in another state (900 miles away) and was thinking of moving to my state. ???
Yep, expect to be targeted by people who are undatable due to distance that have a fantasy of living in your town. Maybe some people can fall in love in cyberspace, I'm not one of them.
and then wanted some $$ to make the move...(?)
@exilesky Yes I'm learning that lesson, not in love in cyberspace but why I'm a target by the undatable. Fantasy, it's not a good feeling.
Oh dear...scary.
There is no need to lie when you are trying to find a date online, this is where you can put in what you actually want in a date and see if it is actually out there. Now I can understand holding some stuff back until you meet in person, but if someone asks then you need to be honest. What you may think is a red flag for someone, that might be what they are attracted to and they are looking for it...but then you tell what you think they want to hear and you just missed out...
I had a longish post here, but I'm also curious what people think about things that happened 10+ years.
Some people think the number of sexual partners is absolutely and always off limits, ok would that include doing a bit of porn?
I have no felonies or any legal issues. One of my friends is a convicted sex offender, he got married last year but didn't open up about his history until the third date when it seemed like the relationship could go somewhere.
I don't have deep secrets and am very open about my past, lol largely bc I'm the most boring man in the world. If a woman won't date me bc of a threesome 20 years ago, meh IDGAF.
I'm especially curious what women I might date would hide until she got to know me. When would a woman talk about drug addiction, screwing an entire football team...I've had two female acquaintances who were prostitutes long before I ever knew them. I'd decided not to think of them romantically months before they told me about their past, but when do people think it's ok to talk about sensitive issues when first dating?
On the flip side, I've heard of couples where one had extreme abuse, omitted talking about siblings...for years or even decades. Most couples have a few little secrets, and most of those are innocent things like they'll eating McDonald's, playing the lotto...crap their partner wouldn't care about even if it came up.
People are very different on these issues.
You're right, people are very different. I guess the interesting part in getting to know someone is what they ask questions about - and what they never ask questions about. I think people tend to gamble that the person they are dating will become too fond of them to dump them when "the truth comes out" - if they ever plan on it coming out. I feel it should be tit for tat - if you ask about criminal history, you should be willing to discuss your own, etc. Then again, is there actually such a thing as a real secret any more? People on social media tell more about themselves than they realize, and what they don't can be easily revealed online with a background check.
@exilesky I don't think it's that hard to be a little deceptive, I have wildly disparate friends and some have had interesting lives. My friend who is a sex offender intentionally went by his middle name after being released from jail so it would be harder to google him.
Clearly he's straightened up and not committed any crimes in 20+ years, but that's still something he wants to keep somewhat private. Although he did tell his wife all the gory details on their 3rd date so she wouldn't get too invested before knowing the truth.
Overall people are crappy liars though, even if they lie about their history the personality is the same. A penchant for violence, poor boundaries, crappy finances...will show up no matter what they lie about.
I'm intentionally very open, too open for many people really. I just don't care if people know I slept around a little bit 20 years ago. One woman I'd been on a few dates kinda freaked when we talked about me having a threesome 20 years prior even though I made it clear that's not what I want today....meh her judgemental atttiude and emotional responses wasn't the only reason I stopped seeing her but they were contributing factors.
I think people should be extremely honest w potential mates before they get serious. lol I'll tell you all about my criminal history, and I just did. At the same time I'd want to know I'm dating a felon before getting emotionally invested.
My last girlfriend and I talked about sleeping around in my 20s, both our finances, concepts on marriage/partnership, retirement before getting serious. Each couple is unique, but I want to know all the bigger skeletons about the time we decide to be exclusive. If there's anything in the back of her mind that would be embarrassing, I should know about pretty quickly. Women I date rarely have major secrets, but I have dated a felon and another woman who had herpes and both told me their secrets before getting serious.
I don't share my personal life with anyone unless Ive known them a long time or we have decided to try to have a relationship. You don't have to get personal to be friends.
@J-MaisOui I'm probably the opposite of that. People, even random strangers knowing I've been diagnosed w PTSD or that a screwed around a bit after leaving Christianity doesn't bother me at all and nobody could use that information to hurt me in any way really.
I understand why others are more private and I'm glad that works for some people just like my openness works for me.
I keep saying to people "If you don't lie, how the hell are you supposed to lead an honest life?" Everybody lies about something to someone sometimes and usually more than most of us realize. So sure, it depends the lie. There's good as well as bad lies.
I think you're just trying to justify your snobbery about people living off your taxes. This is a spin off of your last post.
She so desperate for asspats that she linked to this in the previous post.
My reasons for doing this is on the previous post (which was much more about bashing me that "asspats" ) everyone seemed to feel that its perfectly fine for disabled people to lie because they might exhaust themselves explaining the truth. I did this to make a point that most people think liars suck. If you feel that disliking liars is "snobbery" then that's your problem.
I met a man who seemed like a great fit on his profile. We had a nice dinner and conversation. Near the end of dinner he confessed that he had lied on his profile that he was actually four years older. I told him I had a wonderful evening but I had to go.
Why? Because I am honest on my profile.. even about my weight! If you hope to develop mutual respect you cannot start out with dishonesty. If he was going to lie about something insignificant as age, what about other issues?
What is the point of lying? Had a guy once lie about his age (not on a profile but in real life), his explanation being that he thought I would prefer someone closer to my age. He seemed to not understand the idea that it is my decision to date within a certain age range and that he was attempting to remove my option to do so.
I've had people do that about distance too. One guy actually changed his location so it was within my distance range and then admitted we couldn't meet because he lived on the other side of the country. I find it weird and annoying that instead of just accepting people want something else, some people consider it a "challenge" to try to make you accept something you don't want, and will prune and twist their profile until it fits what you want, knowing full well they are being jackasses. The time and effort they spend trying to force someone to get to know them makes no sense - if they had expended the same effort on someone who wants to meet them, they could have had a dozen dates by now!
I set up a profile test to see why I qas passed over. I made 2 profiles that only varied by 1 character. The true profile never got a response... the fake one got hit within 5 minutes. The real profile had a 5 which was replaced with a 6 in the fake profile.
Guess what the change meant.
If there is any thought to meeting a person from the site it's absurd to lie. It's obvious that you did and why would anyone trust you at all after that?
I'm always pretty up front and honest about who I am and what I'm about. I absolutely don't see the point in hiding something, getting emotionally attached, and have it come out later to find out it's a deal breaker.
Ask yourself this.... If it's something you feel you need to hide/ lie about to this particular person because you fear they won't accept it, should you really be considering dating them in the first place?
People have disparate definitions of "lying" too.
I'll never agree with my sister thinking I lied when I said I ran 5 miles when I only ran 4.7 miles.
It's also good to understand EVERYONE puts their best foot forward at first, yeah that includes you and me. About the time I get serious with a woman, we have a conversation about any skeletons that might crop up.
I've had women tell me they have an STD, they screwed 15 men in one night, specific sexual things they need or won't do, bankruptcy...and depending on the vibe I might be ok with those conversations by the 2nd date, but IME very very very few people would give someone another chance after finding out many things.
For me, if there's something in the back of her mind she's ashamed about and would try to hide from me, those are the things we should discuss. I offer women the same courtesy. Secrets grow venomous fangs in the dark, lol to paraphrase the bible, the truth shall set you free and it does feel awesome when you understand someone you care about doesn't judge you for past "sins".
Again, I have two friends and on the 3rd date he made sure she knew he was convicted of rape 24 years before. He's sober and one of the more respectful men I know now. He won't go to strip clubs bc they demean women and will help anyone. I called him at 11pm when my sump pump broke last year, he wouldn't even take . They're a great couple, but I bet 75% of women wouldn't give any rapist a chance, and I can't really argue with that attitude TBH.
btw my friends knew each other a bit for over 6 months before dating, so they had some familiarity beyond 3 dates before she found out he's a rapist.
You may be overthinking this - nobody expects someone's life history on a dating profile, much less their darkest secrets. The question was about lying on one's profile; my intent was regarding answering the basic profile questions (the kind you click on buttons to answer) with a lie. Example, if you are asked to select single, divorced, married, etc. Now, I've met a lot of "single" people who are actually married. They will say they said "single" because they are "separated" and not yet divorced. However, even then in many cases, strangely enough, their spouse has no idea they are separated and still thinks they have a marriage considering they are living in the same house and sleeping in the same bed and she cooks and does his laundry.
I actually went to a single's club "meet and greet" where a guy who proclaimed himself "single" (and he even had a Facebook profile where he claimed to be single and looked very single - tons of lonely selfies and nary a woman in sight) gave me his phone number. The next day I sent him a text that I enjoyed meeting him. Within an hour I had a phone call from a weeping woman with him shouting in the background about crazy bitches (yes I recognized his voice). I told the weeping woman exactly where and how I met him. I reported him to the dating site but I'm sure he just moved on to another site until the drama died down. Why do people do these things - to see how much misery they can cause?
@exilesky lol I overthink a lot, occupational hazard but more entertaining than the Kardashians.
Oh I could write an encyclopedia on this one but... I won't
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@J-MaisOui only because you said please !!!! ???? In a nutshell, it doesn't matter what the profile say, if people choice is to believe it's all lies then the content is completely and utterly irrelevant. Why is that so difficult for most people to grasp, beats me. Again, don't want to write a book... And yet here I am, so thanks for laying the bait, I gladly took it ☺?